Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The blame game continues.....

 

A "whooooooosh" moment if there ever was one.

[BigDUSA 71]

A "whooooooosh" moment if there ever was one.

 

I find it hard to disagree what with the Airbus A380 years late. Billion of Euro taxpayers money down the drain. Never to be repaid. The wiring harness fiasco. Wings needed a late redesign to meet standards and last but not least engines that leak oil like a sieve and explode. Damn near forgot, sales that come nowhere close to the break even point.

[Samsonite 172]

A "whooooooosh" moment if there ever was one.

Yes, the 787 is late, but as usual you, and your two friends bring little to the discussion but mis-quotes, mis-representation, the occasion outright lie and often the personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the 3 of you.

[TheFiend 1,173]

Yes, the 787 is late, but as usual you, and your two friends bring little to the discussion but mis-quotes, mis-representation, the occasion outright lie and often the personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the 3 of you.

 

No misquotes, or lies from me....... and calling you a Boeing fan-boy is hardly a personal attack!!!!

[TheFiend 1,173]

I find it hard to disagree what with the Airbus A380 years late. Billion of Euro taxpayers money down the drain. Never to be repaid. The wiring harness fiasco. Wings needed a late redesign to meet standards and last but not least engines that leak oil like a sieve and explode. Damn near forgot, sales that come nowhere close to the break even point.

 

Let's look at the 7LATE7.....

 

The fastener shortage fiasco.......

 

The foreign and domestic supply chain fiasco.....

 

The incorrectly fitted fastener fiasco.......

 

The body strengthening fiasco......

 

The machinists strike fiasco........

 

System failures after a fire fiasco.......

 

If I remember rightly the Boeing fan-boys were expecting the Nightmareliner to sail through design build and testing without hitting problems. The programme is now running over 3 years late... It is now nearly a year since first flight and Boeing are still encountering problems.

[wacmedia 277]

Boeing's biggest problem is senior management.

 

Hi,

 

I'm going to suprise everybody by agreeing with you. Time for some of the organ grinders rather than the monkeys to take the blame.

[nidnoyham 30]

If the proof of the pudding is in the eating...

 

The proof of the aircraft, must be in the flying - with passengers- in service ?

 

Know what ? Me and Herb are gonna be sooo disappointed after all this wait to see the first 787 land here.

 

We will probably look at each other as if to say- " Is that it ?"

 

Now, about those 707's V Comets......

[MrMango 655]

Let's look at the 7LATE7.....

The machinists strike fiasco........

Come on, How can you blame Boeing for a bunch of Union thugs asserting their muscle?

[TheFiend 1,173]

Come on, How can you blame Boeing for a bunch of Union thugs asserting their muscle?

 

It's just one of many excuses Boeing have used to blame somebody else but themselves for the 7LATE7 delays.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Yes, the 787 is late, but as usual you, and your two friends bring little to the discussion but mis-quotes, mis-representation, the occasion outright lie and often the personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the 3 of you.

 

Discussion? I think the original title of the thread was "Boeing kicks Euro Butt". It was never meant to be a "discussion", only a bit of xenophobic Euro bashing. The fact that you and the OP have been made to look complete twats is just a bonus.

 

 

 

[BigDUSA 71]

SYDNEY, Nov 28 (Reuters) – Qantas Airways (QAN.AX) chief executive Alan Joyce has said an engine failure on an A380 superjumbo should be blamed on the engine's design and had nothing to do with the airline's operations.

 

A mid-flight failure of a Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine (RR.L) on November 4 forced Qantas to ground its six-plane A380 fleet. On Saturday, the airline resumed some A380 operations but four of the planes remain grounded.

 

Joyce told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) in an interview broadcast on Sunday that his airline performed "exceptionally well" over the incident, which forced an A380 with 459 on board to make an emergency landing in Singapore.

 

"It was a new engine and it was absolutely clear nothing to do with anything Qantas was doing," Joyce told Inside Business in a recorded interview. "It was an engine that didn't perform to the parameters that we would've expected."

 

Although he admitted the bill was "still mounting," he said that Qantas' handling of the incident had probably enhanced its brand rather than damaged it.

 

"In the research we're doing, people are aware that this was a Rolls-Royce problem, so that when we survey the general population the vast majority of people know that there's a problem with the design of the engines," he said.

 

Joyce dismissed several other incidents involving turn-backs of Qantas planes since November 4 as minor in global aviation terms, saying there were "hundreds of them that take place every year."

 

"It's how you handle them, and how you manage them," he said. "And each one of these when I look at them I can see that Qantas performed exceptionally well in how it managed them."

 

Safety remained the airline's top priority, he said.

 

Joyce said that Qantas was maintaining some restrictions on its A380s, and they would not yet be operating across the Pacific to Los Angeles.

 

The decision not to operate the A380s across the Pacific had been taken in consultation with Rolls-Royce and Airbus, Joyce said, as the engines needed to be operated at a higher power setting for longer distances on that route.

 

"We introduce the aircraft to make sure that we understand how the engines are performing before we put them back on LA," he said.

 

The November 4 incident was the most serious so far for the world's largest passenger aircraft. It hit shares in Qantas, Airbus parent EADS (EAD.PA) and Rolls-Royce.

 

(Editing by Sanjeev Miglani)

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[BigDUSA 71]

A report into this month's engine explosion on a Qantas A380 jet is expected to show it was far more serious than we've heard.

 

The report is due this week after the incident near Singapore on November 4. The inquiry will reveal if the presence of two extra pilots, who happened to be on the flight, saved the plane from disaster.

 

Experts say a standard crew of three wouldn't have been able to deal with so many problems at once.

NEWSTALKZB

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The start of another week and the news reports continue to mount up with the Rolls Royce engine fiasco.

Edited November 30, 2010 by BigDUSA

[TheFiend 1,173]

The fire damaged 7LATE7 gets ready to fly again!

 

EVERETT, Wash. -- Boeing's damaged 787 test plane is getting ready to head home.

 

The company's second 787 made an emergency landing on Nov. 9 when the plane suffered an electrical fire on its approach to Laredo, Texas during a test flight.

 

Maintenance technicians replaced the damaged P100 power distribution panel, repaired damage to interior composite structure and installed new insulation material, said Boeing spokeswoman Lori Gunter.

 

Gunter says the plane will not be conducting any testing on its return flight to Seattle.

 

ANA must be fuming the test 7LATE7 involved is in their livery, and not Boeings! A case of bad publicity for ANA....

 

OK, so it's fit again to fly......but it's already added a 3 week delay to the flight-test program...

[jacko 8,578]

The start of another week and the news reports continue to mount up with the Rolls Royce engine fiasco.

Yes, to add to last weeks fiascos....

 

Rolls-Royce announces new TotalCare® deals worth $1.2 billion with Emirates

Wednesday, 24 November 2010

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The start of another week and another bout of xenophobia from the OP ....

 

Thank fuck it says RR on the engines and not Airbus.

[eltib 54]

Boeing's biggest problem is senior management. Not middle managers, but those in the executive suite at H.Q. Any executive left over from McDonnell/Douglas should be placed in a position where he can't do anymore damage.

 

How about the unemployment line? That's a perfect place for them.

[eltib 54]

About the same time as D's 'Big Move', I suspect.

 

That probably means never.

[eltib 54]

No one left to blame, genius, but those who orchestrated this disaster. You could place

a good portion of the blame on the boy wonder from Boeing, now at Ford, who approved the

cataclysmic worldwide supply and assembly chain for the 787.

Had the the major components been designed, built and joined as they have with all previous Boeing

aircraft, it probably would have been put in service with little to no delay.

 

 

Here we go, now blaming Alan Mulaly, when he brought Ford back from the grave. Why don't you blame Harry Stonecipher, the exec that couldn't keep his dick in his pants, and his raunchy emails?

 

Maybe Boeing should have given Alan the CEO position instead of McNearny.

Edited December 1, 2010 by eltib

[eltib 54]

Come on, How can you blame Boeing for a bunch of Union thugs asserting their muscle?

 

Mango, the Unions in private industry don't have the muscle like the ones in the public sector. After all Boeing union members don't get 90 to 110% of their salaries in pensions when they retire, like some of my old county cohorts.

Edited December 1, 2010 by eltib

[BigDUSA 71]

QUOTE (BigDUSA @ Dec 1 2010, 12:28 AM)

The start of another week and another bout of xenophobia from the OP ....

 

Thank fuck it says RR on the engines and not Airbus.

QUOTE

 

Damn shame that tommie's once again resorts to making up phony quotes that he attributes to me. Only goes to show how lame he is. Sad little man.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

QUOTE (BigDUSA @ Dec 1 2010, 12:28 AM)

The start of another week and another bout of xenophobia from the OP ....

 

Thank fuck it says RR on the engines and not Airbus.

QUOTE

 

Damn shame that tommie's once again resorts to making up phony quotes that he attributes to me. Only goes to show how lame he is. Sad little man.

 

Just keeping the thread on-topic. It's a sad day when you resort to trying to threadfuck your own threads.

[BigDUSA 71]

Just keeping the thread on-topic. It's a sad day when you resort to trying to threadfuck your own threads.

 

Damn shame that tommie's once again resorts to making up phony quotes that he attributes to me. Only goes to show how lame he is. Sad little man.

[BigDUSA 71]

The Australian Transport Safety Board has issued a safety warning about Airbus A380 engines after a mid-air emergency involving one of Qantas's superjumbos over Indonesia last month.

 

The Qantas Airbus was forced to land in Singapore after its engine exploded over Batam Island on November 4.

 

The incident caused airlines around the world to ground their A380s while they investigated the planes' Rolls-Royce engines.

 

Today, the ATSB issued a safety recommendation about potential engine problems in some Airbus A380 aircraft.

 

It said there was a "potential manufacturing defect with an oil tube connection to the high-pressure (HP)/intermediate-pressure (IP) bearing structure" of the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines installed in some A380s.

 

The statement said the defect "could lead to fatigue cracking, oil leakage and potential engine failure from an oil fire within the HP/IP bearing buffer space."

 

The ATSB said airlines and safety regulators were inspecting the affected engines and would remove any engines displaying the fault from service.

 

The ATSB will release its preliminary findings into the explosion tomorrow in Canberra.

 

Qantas said it would recheck its two A380 aircraft currently in service this afternoon, but said there was no immediate risk to flight safety.

 

Qantas spokeswoman Olivia Wirth says the tests will start this afternoon and could take up to four hours on each plane.

 

"The inspection involves a very detailed examination with a baroscope," she said.

 

"It's specialised equipment, and this includes medical equipment that will be used to get 3D imaging of the aircraft's engines.

 

"These images will then be sent to Rolls-Royce in Derby and we will work with Rolls-Royce to determine exactly what's going on with these engines."

 

The airline says at this stage it does not anticipate the inspections will affect its international services.

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[nidnoyham 30]

The Australian Transport Safety Board has issued a safety warning about Airbus A380 engines after a mid-air emergency involving one of Qantas's superjumbos over Indonesia last month.

 

 

The airline says at this stage it does not anticipate the inspections will affect its international services.

QUOTE

 

 

Well, Boeing have certainly not had a mid air emergency with passengers on board, or international service of any airline disrupted - YET !

 

This may happen when they start to fly.

 

This has to be a time for a 1000Bht sweepstake, to see who can get closest to the month/year of it's maiden commercial flight ?

 

I'd go for Aug-2011.

[jacko 8,578]

I don't know where BigD does his cut and pastes from but I am surprised these experts don't know how to spell borescope....