indianbrit

I am currently eating some chicken danhiya (home-cooked). Do you do this dish, rik ?

Mujhe aapsay milka bahut prasanata huee hai, yaa ! I look forward to meeting you too. I will bring my beautiful Thai girlfriends to eat at your place, so that they learn more about India's brilliant culture and generosity. I will also bring any English girls who fall in love with me over to your restaurant !!

Some British posters here needn't bother coming back to my country. They are an ambarrassment to my country and are surplus to the requirements of Great Britain, a country which we must not allow to become infested by racist spongers off the state. Instead, we must open the doors of our great country to more highly-skilled, highly productive immigrants, people who will prove to be superior British citizens in every respect to the racist socioeconomic dropouts who can only whinge and not add to our economy. Personally, I am a proud Brit, but remain somewhat embarrassed by a minority of narrow-minded indigenous natives. To the international readers: please do come on vacation to Great Britain, and do not allow the tiny minority of racists here put you off. Our £ is weak, so you will find things cheap here !! When I go to the USA, I do not allow the insignificant KKK put me off; please do likewise. God Save the Queen. Long live democracy and multiculturalism !!

The fewer bigots we have in multicultural Britain, the better. We don't need bigots in Britain. It spoils our country. Bigots are persona non grata in the UK, and should leave our country and stay out of it. I am delighted that many have done just this. Britain is a vibrant, multicultural, democratic, meritocratic society, and there is no place in our fantastic country for narrow-minded bigots. Bigots should leave and be replaced by hardworking immigrants from East Europe, Africa and Asia. I am simply not prepared to have my hard-earned taxes spent on social benefits for lazy bigots who blame everything and everyone for their failure to progress in British society. I would add that I look forward to the prospect of a Black, Jewish, or Asian Prime Minister in due course. We need to follow America on this. God Save the Queen.

Many thanks for your input sabaidii2. It is appreciated and completely agreed with. I like to regard my fellow Brits as equals, but it is difficult to show serious regard towards those who have sympathies with the BNP (or in the case of your country, the KKK). It pains me to state that I inevitably come to the view that such people are inferior across a range of parameters, a view backed up by an objective assessment by Oxford University of the kinds of people who are driven by such narrow-mindedness (see a previous post). We Indians wear a similar badge to our Jewish friends and allies, in respect of their early experiences in Europe, as a result of our shared capability to be a rapid success both financially and educationally. Such success breeds resentment and jealously in the minds of those who are incapable of matching it. The end result is one where a disproportionate number of indigenous Brits with such questionable views are both socioeconomically challenged and educationally challenged. They don't seem to mind the failing immigrant, but they have a particular disdain for the kind of immigrant who is a success. Their only emotional outlet is to blame the successful immigrant for their own failure to be a success -- clearly, both events are mutually exclusive, since the life opportunities available to an educated and ambitious British Indian are infinitely better than those available to an uneducated, state-sponger (whatever his creed or race). It would be more constructive of those who seek to blame (whilst sitting on the chair of complacency) to instead seek to improve their lives. Indeed, more contructive than living a negative life where the ills of their situation "has to be due to those nasty immigrants".

Yes, it is up to people like yourself and myself to make inroads into changing the "cheap charlie" perception of Indians in Thailand. I would personally anticipate funding a few parties as my contribution to the much needed perception change.

I agree. The UK is f....d. It gives equal rights to all people, irrespective of race or creed and rewards ability and intelligence instead. It is disgusting that those overqualified Indians are earning more than the indigenous Brits. How dare Indians, Jews and other races go to the best universities and earn multiples of what we earn ? Indians and Jews, who together are the highest earners in the UK, must not be allowed to scrounge off the state... hang on? they DON'T scrounge off the state ! In fact, their businesses give indigenous Brits jobs.... indigenous Brits who, otherwise, would scrounge off the state, and whose benefits would be funded by, you guessed it: Indians and Jews. Dammit, we'd better stop having a go at those Indians and Jews, cos if they leave the UK economy will be f....d. Oh screw it... get rid of them all !! Vote BNP !! White is right.... right ? The bottomline, gentlemen, is that if you are intelligent and able you will make it in the UK... if you are not you are f...d. God, I love capitalism. Please don't confuse the UK with your personal negative situation. This is a rather childish way of thinking and it is the kind of thinking which gave rise to Nazism, something which Britain thankfully defeated. God Save the Queen.

Namaste Rikky Aap kyaa haal hai ? The menu looks great and reminds me of my mother's cooking. I will be over for a lamb jalfrezi, rice and peshwari naan.

I would add that some British Hindus are equally concerned about the rise of Islamist Fascism in the UK and have worked with the BNP on its Ethnic Liaison Committee.

Agreed. Muslims do themselves few favours by their terror plots and obscene protests. They are not only a problem in the West, but their activities are causing major concern in India too, which could well result in the election of the right-wing Hindu Nationalist Party, the BJP.

I think we can all agree with this

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My knowledge on Scotland is highly limited but, if the ghetto problems in Glasgow are anything like those in East London, then I will share your sentiments and I will agree with you. I have been down to East London on several occasions and I will admit that I would hate to live there; it is grotty and it is ghetto-based. It is like a foreign land in the heart of our capital city. But where I live, we have indigenous Brits, Indians, Japanese, Europeans, Blacks etc etc living together in a very harmonious and neighbourly spirit. We drink together, party together and celebrate not only Christmas but eachothers' religious festivals TOGETHER. Our views our shaped by our life experiences, and I am fully able to empathise with those of you whose life experiences have led to you leaving the UK for Thailand. I will concede that I have been lucky in my life experiences.

Well, to be fair, I also have invested in an overseas property portfolio, including properties in Delhi and a couple of East European properties. The idea is to ultimately run my affairs from multiple locations around the world. I love London and Londoners, but my problem is actually the weather -- hence my travels. I will agree with you that East London is not the best place to live; it has been taken over by the Somalians and Bangladeshis. I am all for multiculturalism, but I would prefer communities to integrate. Like you, gentlemen, I have a huge problem with ghettoisation. I have noticed that the Muslim communities in particular have a disproportionate propensity to live in ghettos and to dismiss the British way of life. The Indian and Jewish communities, on the other hand, are more likely to assimilate from my observations; something that I support.

"Indigent" brits, as you put it, may be making a sound economic move by going overseas if they are indeed indigent. But I object to you labelling my country, Britain, as fucked up. Britain is a vibrant, pluralistic democracy and is hardly fucked up. Britain is a wonderful country which decent values and a commitment to freedom of speech, multiculturalism and equal rights for all. I take it that you actually meant "indigenous" though ? I do not think that the best source of a credible and objective overview of the BNP is the BNP website !! But. if you are unhappy with my use of Wikipedia (which I believe to be objective because of how it is constructed), then by all means direct the overseas users of this forum to the BNP website at http://www.bnp.org.uk . I will simply sit back and trust our overseas friends to make an intelligent decision about the BNP, as 99.3% of the British population did at the last general election, by not voting for it ! God Save the Queen and God Bless Great Britain and all its citizens: indigenous, immigrant, 2nd/3rd generation immigrant. All British citizens are all equal under our commendable British constitution, and success in Britain is directly related to ability and hard work, whether you like it or not.

Don't worry, gentlemen. I've just seen this thread: http://www.pattayatalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=40442

Talking of fry-ups, gentlemen, are there any decent English breakfast places in Pattaya ? I may well grow tired of Thai food and occasionally yearn for a hearty British breakfast (once a Brit, always a Brit).

Arno On your next visit to London, I would suggest a Sunday visit to Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers'_Corner It is truly a bastion of free speech, where you can come across BNP supporter, extremist Islamists, communists and pure capitalists within a space of 100 metres. I often go there, and have developed an enjoyment for discussing things with people who I would normally not bother with. IndianBrit

Hi Arno Holland and Britain are, in my opinion, the two best places in Europe for multiculturalism, anti-racism and liberal living. I really do admire your country and what it stands for, in the same way that I admire my country, Britain. But I differ from you in respect of one thing. I feel that it is absolutely necessary to allow complete freedom of speech for all. I really do enjoy debating with people who support questionable causes, just in case I am able to change their minds ! In any case, such a debate will hopefully inform the objective reader from outside of the UK. Regards, IndianBrit

Excuse those incongruous smilies A b followed by ) seems to produce it __________________________________________________ According to wikipedia, the BNP received an impressive 0.7% of the national vote. According to wikipedia the ideologies of the BNP comprise 1) white nationalism 2) british nationalism 3) right wing populism 4) facism According to academic research from the University of Oxford, the majority of BNP supporters have the following socioeconomic make-up: 1) C2, D and E bands (where A1 = upper class, AB = upper middle class, C1 = lower middle class, C2 = skilled working class, DE = unskilled working class) 2) are poorly educated (the statistical correlation between BNP voters and 'no qualifications' is a whopping 0.624, where 1 would be a perfect correlation. For those mathematicians amongst you, I would assume for simplicity that the person product-moment correlation coefficient that you learned at high school is being used)

According to wikipedia, the BNP received an impressive 0.7% of the national vote. According to wikipedia the ideologies of the BNP comprise a) white nationalism british nationalism c) right wing populism d) facism According to academic research from the University of Oxford, the majority of BNP supporters have the following socioeconomic make-up: a) C2, D and E bands (where A1 = upper class, AB = upper middle class, C1 = lower middle class, C2 = skilled working class, DE = unskilled working class) are poorly educated (the statistical correlation between BNP voters and 'no qualifications' is a whopping 0.624, where 1 would be a perfect correlation. For those mathematicians amongst you, I would assume for simplicity that the person product-moment correlation coefficient that you learned at high school is being used)

Many thanks jacko. The possibility of being mistaken for an Arab (given the Islamist-inspired geopolitical tensions in the south of Thailand) hs crossed my mind. I have enjoyed participating in this thread. There seem to be several posters on this thread who be BNP supporters or at least see significant merit in the BNP (which of course is perfectly acceptable in our democratic, multicultural and pluralistic British society). To help inform those non-British participants on this forum about the BNP, I am providing you with an objective and factual Wikipedia link, so you have some context for the ping pong match between myself and my fellow Britishers on the merits and demerits of this British political party: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party I will let you come to your own (rapid) conclusion about the sorts of people who would actually vote for such a party as the BNP !!

In any case, probably down to myself a great deal, this thread has become a ping pong match on the merits and demerits of a certain British political party, interesting though such a discussion is. Getting things back on track, I would like to thank all of you for your valuable contributions, in respect of your thoughts on racism emanating from the Thai and being directed to the Indian. What I have learned (and correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of Thai bars are accomodative of the Indian bar visitor, but a minority are not. I have also learned that Indians suffer from a justified "cheap charlie" perception because of their unwillingness (and not necessarily their inability) to part with more than handful of dollars a time. The implication is that any visiting Indian must dispel such a generalised perception by being seen to be generous with the amount spent on drinks in a bar (easily done). To this end, should I come across any expats on my traversal through the bars of Pattaya, the drinks will be on me !!

Chris Sure I'll buy a badge :) In return, I will email you a virtual chicken tikka masala (the British national dish). On a more serious note, I really do pity the BNP; their supporters have a tendency to blame their inadequacies and lack of progress in British society on those who are prepared to get off their backsides and make a go of things (so the Asians get stick, the Jews get stick and the Eastern European builders are currently getting most of the stick). I now refer to bibzo's post above which delineates the policies of the BNP. To be even-handed, some of what the BNP stands for can of course be supported by all of us. I do support the BNP on many of its European policies. For example, just like the BNP, I feel that a surrender of an independent British monetary policy to the ECB will be disastrous for our economy; hence my staunch opposition to the European Single Currency. Secondly, I solidly support the BNP on their stance on law and order; the police and the victims of crime need to be given more power, and not the criminals. Thirdly, I support the BNP on a plethora of other policies, ranging from Health to Environment. Where the BNP suffers in its policy-making is where its fundamentally racist ideology prevents it from making rational economic decisions. The BNP's rejection of the huge gains from globalisation is short-sighted. The UK will actually do better from free trade. To institute a system of protectionism (be it via tariffs or whatever) it is the British economy which will suffer, since other nations will reciprocate and squeeze the UK's balance of payments deficit into currently unvisited terrain. Secondly, immigration is fundamentally good for the UK economy; it is deflationary over the long run, whilst at the same time being expansionary. I do think it is slightly unfair of people such as myself to insinuate that all economic incompetence lies solely with the BNP (given that they had no role in the sorry state of affairs that the world is in, and will never get the opportunity to implement their plans in any case) -- this is particularly the case in the current environment given that several associates of mine in Wall Street and in the City of London were for several years engaged in the leveraging up of the financial system via subprime structured investment vehicles I will finish off this diatribe by wholeheartedly agreeing with Obsession and yourself. Political sentiment and inclination should not be penalised in a free and fair society; only questionable actions should. Those policemen deserve their jobs back.

A drinking buddy at my London local also mentioned Kings. I suppose Kings will be at the top of my hitlist.