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Anyone in the "outside world" who sees them and together with the context of Pattaya, would label them such. To deny or ridicule it is once again, ignoring the point. Cheers. Nok the Kook The statement, "with permission of management", remains very disturbing. One gets the wrong impression that management needs to give permission etc.. This would confuse new people, opening them up to scams and the rest of "it". I helped START this "one" Jerry. I was there with Pete way back when. Seems like ten years ago. So I didn't just find it. I met your hero Ben, now of Secrets fame, when he was just a new young patron of FLB then hired as manager and introduced to me, met his lovely wife, all of it. So again mate, you are on some crusade to put me down instead of considering the facts and reality of what is and has been history. When you fuck with me you are not dealing with someone who hasn't been around and seen it all. Cheers. Nok Not preaching. Didn't just join. Not judging anything but warning that such stuff can hurt people. Unfortunately, most relationships start with lies. More so IMHO IMHO when you get involved with a lady with a long "bar" history. You have to work thru them to reach the goal of honesty. I know this first hand my friend. To assume you will just leap into a good honest relationship is folly. Accept it will be lies back and forth but also as I say know that a day may come when each other can be trusted. In reality, you make a good valid point. If you are in love with a bar worker and don't know where she is, it might be a good idea to avoid the bars. I saw a lady last night a friend is in love with. The relationship broke down, but he still loves her. Again, trust me and my experiences when I say, he doesn't want to see her in the bar. Have a nice day. Nok

You, as well as most others on here with their selfish glee and gawking, fail to grasp the context IMHO. The photos are exploitation of her to begin with. We don't get an explanation why the disclaimer was posted, and it is kind of tough to have a relationship with someone whom everyone in the world now thinks of as a prostitute. Many relationships do succeed and I'm happy they do. I just don't find it funny when people run and hide from the reality of what is happening. Put another way, it is quite easy to put your and her past behind you and start a relationship. This type of posting makes that almost impossible and we can get an appreciation of what I mean with the members report that one of the ladies had lied to him about her activities. Nok

We think you are lying to save face. Most guys who are upset at a particular lady have a financial investment in her and feel very stupid then deny doing it. "So it's alright for her to tell me Porkies but it's not ok that I know and don't tell her?" Your remark is not straight forward. We are not in the Philippines. We don't need the drama you create. She is lying and you must lie back. Sorry if misunderstood your point/question. By not telling her you are lying to yourself at the least. Nok the Kook Hi Jerry. Long time, no see. You are not commenting on the point of "management permission". Like so many others, choosing to ignore this puts you in a club which I want no part of. Up to you of course. Lets be frank and get your informed reply mate. Why does Hammer need "management permission" to post the photos and/or even need to mention he has it? Is he afraid of something in these regards? Cheers and see you again soon. Nok the Kook

The photos prove the toaster is plugged in and working when you press the lever down causing you to feel pain and misery as well as feeling stupid. Nok

Correct. To do so would cause her to lose face. Losing face is more important than not telling lies. Being honest doesn't mean you don't lie either. Look for the greater good result and then say what you think will cause it, lie or not. This is what I have learned here in Thailand. Does it work? Seems to, nobody is starving. Nok the Kook

That just isn't fair mate. She's not aware of what is happening. That remains my POINT... I had a lady lie to me, saying she was still working in a factory in Ransit (just north of BKK) and there now.(when called me) Asked if she could come visit me in Pattaya. Problem was, she called from a Pattaya pay phone and the area code was 038, not whatever it is in Ransit. Again, and like you, I knew this was a lie but didn't call her on it because she was a great time in the sack. Beautiful lady in fact. We sometimes over estimate the sophistication of the ladies and they really don't mean to lie, just make the most of their lives. That again why I resent statements like "with permission of management"...like it fucking matters to the lady and us? Cheers. Nok

Got to die some place mate. Both are good choices. Dynasty used to have the ID hassle, don't know about now. Some of us object to that. Optional at Sandy Spring as it should be everywhere. Cheers. Nok

There was another incident of this type which resulted in a guy dumping his fiancee. He had actually filed an application for the spouse VISA. She wasn't aware the photos were being shown around the world. No concept or context. I hope you don't cut off your financial support for this lady. It wasn't her fault she was caught in a lie. I'm sure Hammer also gets releases in written form from the ladies to prevent him from being subject to legal action or worse. Nok

You must not understand the complications one can encounter by being labeled a prostitute. For one thing, it disqualifies you from getting a VISA to many countries including the USA. But most important, some and I"m not alone, don't understand why it is announced that the "management" has approved the dissemination of the photographs. The ladies should be paid and told/know all the dangers of it. That our point. Like you suggest however, I'll just ignore them in the future hoping it doesn't cost anyone a relationship. Cheers. Nok

I'll be there in my Bruce Mangosteen disguise. Cheers. Nok the Kook

Hi. Permission from management is always mentioned in your postings. Some of us could give a fuck if the management gives permission or not. Do you also have the permission of the ladies to post their pictures on the internet in such a way creating a lifetime label of her? We do care about that. Thanks for any clarification. Nok

Have enjoyed my last two visits to Misty's and shall include it from now on on my "Happy Hour" bar hops with fellow "cheap cunt, cheap moron, sorry fuck, etc." revelers. Walking Street is BACK! As mentioned, two for sure "bell ringers" will be in tow next week. Cheers and the bottled beer deal, mate, a sure winner. Nok the Kook