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Oh my, the topic is still alive FYI, Quatar aways announced today, that they have placed an order for 50 A350`s with Airbus. Emirates has increased their total orders for the 380 from 30 to 50 . (Only Allah knows, how they will be able to make this investment paying off). It looks like, that there are finally some good news for EADS. Greetings

OK, I`ll check when I`m there, if they have a room from 4th January for one week.. Will let you know asap. latest on January 2nd. Greets

Hi Tom, strange , I did get a responce within one day. I will be there January 1st. I didn`t use the reservation form, but emailed him directly. Please let me know your dates, I will ask him directly and give you a note by pm. Merry Xmas

Guys, settle down. My view is: Both, Airbus and Boing are fundet somehow with state money. I have no problem with that! Every industrialized country in the worls is spending state money on future technologies, which they are rating key for the further welth of their country. Big examples here are Biotech, Computerscience, Nanotechnologies. Nobody complains about it, cause it makes sence. State money spent e.g. for a plane program, cannot be spent somewhere else. So, where ist he problem. BTW. Japan is by far the biggest funder of key technologies with government money and are doing well.(And nobody complains!) Next. I wish both, Airbus and Boing success! Because there is nothing worse than a monopoly. Or do you think that Boing would be forced to develop the 787, if the wouldn`t have lost market share in this segment against Airbus. In the end, we, as the enduser will benefit from more fuel efficent, faster planes. So to say, the state funding of plane programs will safe us money we can spend in our fantasy land, that is LOS. Wish you all a great christmas! Greetings P:S 11 more days for me, then I`m back in Pattaya

Sure there is Software, to simulate the elecrical harness behaviour, but not 100% accurate. (BTW comptersimulation is never 100% accurate). Unfortunatly the wiring is very difficult to simulate. Just to give an example: If you have to bend the harness (you always have to do this , the accuracy of the point, where the harness will brake, cannot be predicted accurate enough. It might be working in the computer, but not in real life. The reason, why everytting is done digitally in the computer today is to shorten the product development process and therfore to save money in the engineering process and in addition to reduce prototyping costs. That doesn`t mean, that you couldn`t engineer a plane without computer software such as CAD systems. Best example is the Boing 747, totally engineered on paper, maybe with some 2D CAD support. As we all know, the plane is flying and was a great success. The Airbus problem is, that they have set up the whole production system based on a false computer model and that the wiring is simply not manufacturable. At least 90%of the electrical harnesses wil be assembled manually by workers. In the A380 case they cannot reach some parts of the harness because of the Plane design. There are other issues too, which are not mentioned in the articels. This leads to a complete reengineering of major parts of the plane and a new setup of the production line. I still have my doubts, that the 787 will not run into similar problems, that may cause a delay. Well we eill find out soon Greets

Hi BigD, intresting discussion so far. I have some insights on both plan programms, so here are some comments. Airbus is using Dassault Systems Software for the digital Product and manufacturing engineering as well!! Unfortunatly, there is no Software available today, that can simulate the electrical harness assembly with the needed accuracy and Airbus was endeed using different software in France and Germany for this task. At least the A380 is flying and will pass all neccessary tests as scheduled. From a technical point of view, the 787 is the more revolutionary airplane than the A380, because it`s the first airline, with a major parts of the fuselage being done with composits. This is also a risk. I have my doubts, that there will be no delays in the production with the 787. Especially the Italian Partner has problems keeping up with the manufacturing simulation. If one partner fails, the whole programm will be delayed. We have to wait ans see how it will go on. Greets

I did face the same problem. Was lucky to get a decent room at MP Mansion for my upcoming trip in peak season You can check MP Mansion on Thappraya Road, Soi 15. Hompage: http://www.mp-mansion.de/ The hotel is just a little past Residence Garden and new. Girlfriendly, In Room Safe and pool (small) The manager is a very friendly German. He will respond by email within 24 hours. Accepting cash only. Price Range: 700-1600 without breakfast. No downpayment required. Good luck

Hi Wenzel, I have stayed 3 times already at the Swiss Park in BKK. When you have booked a double, no joiner fee. My last stay there was in May, so this info is based on their policy at this time. Have fun, Regards: Indiscipline