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We've gotten away with it before. Chase Bank offered us a deal, we took it, cashed the miles in, and dumped them. Two round trip tickets to Hawaii. We put our bills on autopay to that card for three months, that's all we had to do! There's really two phases to this. The other side of it is cashing in miles correctly. I can get one free international trip for 60,000 miles, that is the best deal I have with my partners today. Other partners are 70,000 and much higher. I am going to do an experiment. I will not reveal what it is until if and when the miles are in the bag. But if it works I need to run the miles up big time while the gettin' is good.

We just signed up for a card that will pay for one-way to Asia as a signing bonus. We have to charge $5K in the first 3 months. It's 2 miles per dollar spent, twice what we have now. We'll have enough to do the trip in a few months, given what we have in mileage accounts already. Money should be spent on family. Because that produces pussy. In developing our strategy, I read some articles. Some guys cycle credit cards, signing up for the bonus and then cancelling the card one day after getting the rewards. They keep a spreadsheet on all the cards they are juggling so they don't pay an annual fee. We're going to stick with the 2-1 mileage deal, we have a small business so we can charge business expenses. But there were other strategies I saw, the most cunning of which was buying money from the US Mint by credit card, then depositing the money into banks. Zero transactions costs, zero money spent, and as many miles as you care to run through the card. The companies got the US Mint to cooperate with them in shutting that sweet little type of operation down. Not illegal, just obscene, lol. I used to pay off my mortgage with a credit card, then pay the credit card. That alone got me a free Asia trip every two years, and it was on top of my normal credit card spending. But they figured it out and stopped me from doing it. I'm up for anything that is legal but getting away with murder, figuratively.

Sure, wonderful people. Great example: I was in a car load of people coming back from a visit to a remote project area and we came upon a dog walking on the side of the road. The driver swerved over on purpose to hit the dog. When the vehicle hit the dog it hurt him badly but he wasn't dead, and suffering terribly - howling in agony. All of the passengers thought that was hilarious, but when they saw how horrified I was and demanding to go back and help the dog they started insisting the dog had not been hit. steamer mentioned how rude they can be blocking people on the sidewalk. It isn't because they are oblivious. This is one of the weird power-plays I saw repeated in a thousand variations when I was wokring there. They would elbow you in lines, cut in front, and in general demonstrate what they thought of you. If you became a friend of someone they might be someone whocould give you the shirt off their back - true. I had one friend in particular who was like that, and he came back with me on my last trip there to live/work here for a year.

I don't think they are attractive, and not just physically. It wouldn't matter if she was the current Miss World - their attitude is so cold that it makes them unattractive. I spoke limited Russia in the years I was working there, but that had nothing to do with why they were such cold people. Decades of communism killed a lot of human qualities in people like compassion, empathy, and courtesy. I've been to many countries where I did not speak the language but the people were warm as can be. In Russia they told me not to smile, to walk with my head down and a scowl on my face. My handlers were horrified if I happily whistled a tune when I walked somewhere. I can't think of a more opposite attitude than Thailand.

So you're saying I'll be back at 42 baht per dollar, and girls surging into P4P from all corners of Thailand at the same time as the domestic debt-backed boom goes bust. Sounds good to me. :)

I noticed how you are relentlessly evading talking about your own OP - the claim that there is a POPULAR myth in existince about ALL Thai girls wanting to marry Falangs. Apparently, you have plenty of time to desperately comb through someone's entire posting history trying to find some out-of-context "gotchya". But you can't seem to find even a single person seriously saying ALL Thai girls want to marry a Falang, let alone show it is a POPULAR myth.

Get a grip on why you are being slammed so hard by so many lately: being intentionally nasty after asking people their opinion The point was to explain Thai girls are attracted to a lot of things having nothing to do with being a Falang per se, which you know is true, but you are being argumentative just for spite. That's right, in the very post you quote-mined from I would have been saying that the girls like a guy that does not drink. This is a statement about what Thai girls like, not something I am claiming moral high ground with. I couldn't care less that you drink. And you know that. It's this purposefull dishonesty and nastiness that people are responding to in your threads.

Like I said, you aren't very honest. YOU are the one who started this with a claim about POPULAR myths, in both the title and the OP: I have been hammering you for choosing your number one POPULAR myth to be something that is not a popular myth at all. You also just quoted someone who, just like you, is pretending this is a myth... but not quoting anyone saying it. Instead, it is another lame straw man asserting that it is a myth but disagreeing with it. So that's where you find this so-called myth: stated by people are "disproving" it. We have yet to see where anyone is seriously asserting all Thai girls want to marry Falangs, let alone being a POPULAR myth.

I'll be there for four months this year. I won't hear anyone stating what you claim to be a myth. A myth is something prevalent, not something only an idiot believes. Absolutely. I don't drink, smoke, or gamble. University Professor. Athlete. You'll find that combination is very highly respected in Thailand. None of those are "Falang". That's why you could not quote me saying "falang" was the reason I had so much opportunity for marriage. You are not a very honest person and that's another thing Thais don't like much. When they see you going so far out of your way to pretend people are saying the opposite - they know you are not a person they can have trust in.

You pretended there was a myth that ALL Thai girls want to marry falangs. You haven't presented any evidence that this myth is in existence - just exaggerated what someone else said.

That is not even close to saying ALL of them want to MARRY a falang. I've had a lot of them say the same thing to me. These statements are not coming from the top-end University girls who have been prepared their whole lives by professional class parents for professional class husbands. The Issan farm girl with a 6th grade education is not in the running for a Thai investment banker. For that class of girl, yeah - lazy drunks are in her option set. and she wants to do better.

I have never seen anyone make that claim. Some observe that many bargirls would rather be married to a farang than working in the bar. But that is a completely different statement.

Many mental health disorders appear with mild effect early in adulthood and grow progressively worse to the point that without outside intervention they become exactly like this. Textbook case, so common across the homeless. There are some quite idiotic suggestions about "Thailand" eating him up or maybe being a sponsor or barowner. I lost my closest internet friend to Bipolar, watching her go from a major California City government department head, running their whole computer information system to a nearly helpless person being cared for. We've lost touch now. This is what mental illness does. It is not what going to Thailand does, or what being a bar owner does or being a sponsor or LDOP or cheap charley does. This girl I knew started her own homeless program, was the executive director for many years before the city hired her on - and she said most of the homeless have benefits they can get like food stamps or housing or rescue mission etc - but they're intent sleeping on the streets. They do not acknowledge the threat to their own health and safety or that of others because they're ill. Yes, some of them are found after intervention to be in posessions of fortunes or a house of their own or are quite intelligent otherwise from the fact they're flat-out batty.

Why would I take offense? Not sure what you mean here with this broadcasting of bringing this girl to Pattaya and then trying to shame people for thinking you were the kind of guy that would *gasp* do bargirls. I mean it is unthinkable to actually infer a foreigner in Pattaya posting on a mongering board would... do bargirls. Way out of line. Shocking. And if you aren't then my opinion is just as good as anyone's, which is why bring sand to the beach...

That rationalization is used by assholes, not by decent people, eg you are on a mongering board so you can't expect people to be polite and considerate, what an idiot you are, fragile ego, pathetic loser yadda yadda. Join the good guy team and try to keep the atmosphere positive. Danboy too - the "fair comment". How is it "fair"? It is a mean thing to say - equivalent to saying you deserve to have your pretty girlfriend called a fat ugly three-holer coconut row freelance whore. Because you shared pictures - ones that other guys are going to appreciate. So therefore you should be insulted. Wrong.

Interesting. Mine is coming with me this winter. Not sure how you are handling it, but she's going to pick the girls for me, at least in the beginning, and then go home while I slay the bargirls for a month or two depending on budget and how it works out. She said that she has seen customers that had girlfriends or wives with them, and that everything looked to be going just fine, the guy barfining girls and its not a big deal, but then suddently the wife would explode in a rage of jealousy and storm out of the bar or start beating on her husband. We've had similar things happen, where she has pulled up a webcam stripper for me or left me chatting with one while she went to cook breakfast for me, and it was no problem at all - putting their nudie pictures up on the big screen too while we are doing it together. Paying for lapdances at the stripper clubs. But there are times when she does get really jealous too. If she ever thinks I am sneaking behind her back, even if she tells me it is OK, then she will get jealous. After a little while she starts laughing, because here she is having given me permission, even getting off on it together, and suddenly she's giving me hell about it. So it is a little bit of a roller coaster sometimes, but we are talking about having your beautiful lady, like yours, and eating fresh top of the line pussy too. Tell me this is wrong.

We have a few resident misogynists who are constantly preaching the "snakes with tits" hatred towards the girls. We hear that their preaching is justified with the noble cause of protecting the horde of stupid, gullible mongers from falling into the hands of the snakes - getting married to them and being taken for all they're worth, or sponsoring them and being milked dry. But I think it's time we actually called them on this. It cannot possibly be true that there is any sizeable crowd of sponsors, let alone those who marry, out of the millions who travel to Pattaya. According to the Tourism Authority of Thailand, 2011 should see foreign tourist numbers approaching 16 million for 2011. From what I can assemble at various sources it looks like Pattaya has something very roughly on the order of a million. Over 750,000 anyway. I have seen varying estimates, but let's say 35,000 bargirls in Pattaya. If less than one half of one percent of these Pattaya tourists married bargirls, that would leave zero unmarried bargirls in Pattaya in less than one year. Now of course, we need to separate the mongers from the golf or family tourist, but I think just the most casual glance at these real statistics proves that this misogynistic crap, based on being the savior of the married/sponsor horde is not just complete horse-shit: it is delusional to the point of sickness. You have to believe in fantasy beyond all reason to think of yourself as the savior of any significant population with this incessant drumbeat of hatred for the girls. Just throwing out some numbers for discussion, let's say one percent of half the tourists to Pattaya become sponsors. That is enough to sponsor every bargirl in Pattaya. Or alternatively to have half of them with two sponsors. A third of them with three. If one percent of all the tourists became sponsors then every bargirl would have two, or half of them four, or a third of them six sponsors each. It is beyond dispute then, even giving an order of magnitude error factor in these numbers that only the tiniest, insignificant fraction of tourists ever become sponsors - let alone husbands - of bargirls. It is so insignificant as to be almost nonexistent relative to the staggering numbers of those who do not. It would be far more accurate to say that over 99% of tourists need no advice whatsoever about being a sponsor or getting duped into marriage than to say that there is some horde of people needing rescue from it. When we then factor into account that some significant fraction of the people who marry actually are indeed happily married - the majority of those that I have seen who are married and posting on this forum are - what does that leave us in terms of a pool of dupes? It is closer to zero than it is to any number implied by the misogynists. I do not dispute that dupes exist - but so does leprosy, and it looks like the rate of duped mongers is more like the leprosy rate than it is some substantial problem (leprosy rate is 21 per million in Thailand). Sure, we are going to see stories of mongers that got duped. All you need is one and the misogynists are going to recycle that for the rest of all time as their "evidence". You can die drinking too much water too - that's actually happened, but it takes a warped person to use that as evidence that drinking water is harmful. To the misogynists: you are delusional. You're sick. Look at the great crowds of people in Pattaya every night you are out there. Amongst that crowd you see, how many will be duped into marrying a bargirl or sponsoring? It's more like none of them instead of the fantasy you need to justify your hatred. How many are going to go home and bang their girl in the sack, leaving it at that? Basically all of them. The upshot of this data is unassailable: what goes on in Pattaya is that guys are banging bargirls, having fun, and leaving it at that. It is an extremely rare thing, relative to the gigantic numbers involved, that anyone is getting duped into a scam marriage or even sponsoring. It happens, but it is not even remotely near the problem misogynists pretend it to be.

Here is some more drug-induced wonder for you: The hallmark of abusive people is dehumanizing their victim. Classifying them as subhuman is what the abuser does in order to justify their abuse. Since they are not people, it is not abuse. Saying something nice about bargirls violates the most sacred principle of the abuser. If they are human, they must be treated decently. Maybe that's why it was so noteworthy to you in the OP that strangers took pity on you and helped. Someone with your attitude would never have done so.

That is in perfect conformity with not caring about other people, period. News at 11. Other than preaching what snakes with tits they are, lying to them, minimizing their compensation, not to mention being a fat slob - you are the ideal companion. When I first came on here you insisted that my experience with bargirls liking a man in good shape who looked halfway decent, treated them kindly, didn't drink, etc. - that oh no, I was a fool for thinking those things mattered. Only money. I have never seen you waver from that stance. It simply has not occurred to you that the reason I have such a wonderful impression of these beautiful, endearing girls that has remained the same since the late 1990's is that it actually does matter. They respond warmly to kindness. Universally, they want to marry me. I did, and it has been wonderful. What an amazing wife. It just blows me away. No problem. I'll show them what you say about them repeatedly to the thousands that wander through here - how none of them should ever be considered for a relationship, snakes with tits, only money, etc. I'm sure they will have a very high opinion of you for that, right?

I don't enjoy taking you down BigD What would be far, far more beneficial is to have you state in print something positive about these lovely, giving, and very human girls. Why is that so difficult? How can there be such hatred for them that you cannot bring yourself to say one single positive thing about the girls you travel to the other side of the earth to find company with?

Oh, if someone needs examples of BigDUSA mysogyny - sheesh, that's easy enough. This was his knee-jerk reaction to the top thread in the relationship forum, and the first response to that OP: Why is BigDUSA on the relationship page - a place we are supposed to be able to trade advice on relationships - spreading his vile propaganda on the impossibility of having relationships with bargirls? That page was started because in one year's time 24 bargirls from FLB were married off. So what if you pay them to fuck you? You pay barbers to cut your hair, waitresses to serve you, etc. There is nothing about sex service that automatically turns you into an animal like BigD insists. It's bad enough to preach disgust for them here on the member's page, but to extend special effort to insult those of us with relationships - my God how ironic in light of this OP praising kindness of strangers. It would be easy enough for BigDUSA to come on here now and say how he has re-thought this bitter attitude towards the girls, but he didn't. Instead he came on and emphasized once again the "snakes with tits" attitude. I find that mostly people are your mirror. When you are smiling and friendly, they smile back. When you treat them well, they respond in kind. But when you think of them as animals and the only thing on your mind is how to get the most out of them for the least amount of money, then duh - they don't respond to that very well. These people who helped Denny didn't know him. That's instructive. Would they have helped him if they knew what a low opinion he had of the girls and how he called the majority of them "snakes with tits"? All they saw was a pathetic fat man having trouble merely walking. This isn't a personal insult out of exaggeration - it is plain fact. They took pity on him because of his self-induced condition. Again, what would meet with congratulations and praise on my part is to see BigD say something positive about the girls. My experience with them is that with rare exceptions they were wonderful girls that went out of their way to treat me well. (Hah! The only one I can actually think of was not a bargirl!) There are also a large number of us with long-term fulfilling relationships. Even when we constitute the majority of posters commenting within a thread on marriage or relationships I see these mysogynists jumping in with the 100% snakes-with-tits proclamations, as if we did not exist.

The correct spelling is misogyny. That is how I spelled it: From Wiki: You should use the correct spelling when saying you are correcting someone's spelling. Especially when they spelled it correctly in the first place. Then you might catch your own error. What you have done is prove a put-down was your intent, not correcting spelling. I appreciate being corrected. By people that have the correct spelling. But I also appreciate when someone is trying to put you down and embarasses themselves instead.

Just an FYI papillon - I have you on ignore.

Hi Vic. I have no issue with you and don't want to make one, but politely disagree. I see this stated often about posters that are relentless with insults. Those insults ARE reality. I am not imagining the years of "snakes with tits" attitude and urging of other BM to think of them as subhuman trash. It seems to me you advance the argument he is two-faced. Saying "snakes with tits" on here, but treating them OK in person. First of all that does not mitigate against advising the thousands of other BM to consider them animals. Secondly, when I see someone who says one thing to your face and another behind your back, this does not excuse them for what they say behind your back. It tells me this is an untrustworthy person. Why would I even consider having a beer with that kind of person? Buying me a beer does not make up for relentless insults about bar girls like my wife, and knowing that when my back is turned he is likely to say the opposite of what he said to my face. The only thing that would make a difference is for him to start talking more positively about the girls. Here. As Big D nears the end of his life this OP about people treating him kindly I thought mike make a dent in the one-sided view of bargirls that he has promoted for years here. Maybe, just maybe he could say something nice about them for a change. You are right Vic that regardless of what someone posts, there will be people coming out to make disparaging remarks. I have one main peeve, and it is mysogyny. I do not like the "snakes with tits" view of bargirls. What it does is promote ill-treatment. Failure to consider their feelings. Which results in bitter girls that won't treat you as well.