Discrimination

[indianbrit 0]

Just watch their results in the Euro elections my friend.

 

Houston, we have a problem

[bibzo 7]

Some of there Policies do seem attractive to an ex-labour voter

 

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

EUROPE - back to British independence!

We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.

LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!

The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.

ECONOMY - British workers first!

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes

EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!

We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.

AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!

We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.

HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!

We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

TRANSPORT - time to invest!

Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.

ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.

FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!

We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.

PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!

The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.

NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.

DEFENCE - no more cuts!

Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first!

Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!

The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level.

Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.

[indianbrit 0]

Sold !

 

Vote BNP !!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Some Indian scum are amongst the most racist subhumans on the planet. My family is very liberal, and I can pretty much date white girls, yellow girls and martians. But in many Indian families, any mention of a non-Hindu girl brings screams of both derision and anger from the direct and extended family, And woe betide any progressive and liberal Hindu who ventures home with a black partner or, even worse, a Muslim !!

 

Well, if you meet Miss Thailand and decide to take her back to meet the rest of the extended Kumar family just make sure your grannie has got her hearing aid turned on. Otherwise she might think you're going to marry a protestant.

Edited April 15, 2009 by CheshireTom

[indianbrit 0]

Well, if you meet Miss Thailand and decide to take her back to meet the rest of the extended Kumar family just make sure your grannie has got her hearing aid turned on. Otherwise she might think you're going to marry a protestant.

 

Thais are cool, they nicked our Buddha. My grannie will make allowances for a sweet and homely Thai bride.

[chrisbrewer 0]

Sold !

 

Vote BNP !!

 

 

Glad you've seen the light at last.

 

Would you like to buy a badge?

 

 

[Obsession 571]

I cant believe how a cople of policemen got the sack recently for being BNP supporters. One wore a BNP badge at a football match while off duty and the other got the sack for being a BNP member. Its a political feckin party who enter elections.

[chrisbrewer 0]

I cant believe how a cople of policemen got the sack recently for being BNP supporters. One wore a BNP badge at a football match while off duty and the other got the sack for being a BNP member. Its a political feckin party who enter elections. Free speech in the UK? Only for ethnic minorities it seems.

 

 

Right on there Obsession.

 

Nice one mate.

 

Want to buy a poster?

 

 

[Obsession 571]

Right on there Obsession.

 

Nice one mate.

 

Want to buy a poster?

 

Im too scared to show my support of that perfectly legal political party for fear of losing work! Im planning to do what many are - just leaving them to it and leaving the country.

[indianbrit 0]

Glad you've seen the light at last.

 

Would you like to buy a badge?

 

Chris

 

Sure I'll buy a badge :)

 

In return, I will email you a virtual chicken tikka masala (the British national dish).

 

On a more serious note, I really do pity the BNP; their supporters have a tendency to blame their inadequacies and lack of progress in British society on those who are prepared to get off their backsides and make a go of things (so the Asians get stick, the Jews get stick and the Eastern European builders are currently getting most of the stick).

 

I now refer to bibzo's post above which delineates the policies of the BNP.

 

To be even-handed, some of what the BNP stands for can of course be supported by all of us. I do support the BNP on many of its European policies. For example, just like the BNP, I feel that a surrender of an independent British monetary policy to the ECB will be disastrous for our economy; hence my staunch opposition to the European Single Currency. Secondly, I solidly support the BNP on their stance on law and order; the police and the victims of crime need to be given more power, and not the criminals. Thirdly, I support the BNP on a plethora of other policies, ranging from Health to Environment.

 

Where the BNP suffers in its policy-making is where its fundamentally racist ideology prevents it from making rational economic decisions. The BNP's rejection of the huge gains from globalisation is short-sighted. The UK will actually do better from free trade. To institute a system of protectionism (be it via tariffs or whatever) it is the British economy which will suffer, since other nations will reciprocate and squeeze the UK's balance of payments deficit into currently unvisited terrain. Secondly, immigration is fundamentally good for the UK economy; it is deflationary over the long run, whilst at the same time being expansionary.

 

I do think it is slightly unfair of people such as myself to insinuate that all economic incompetence lies solely with the BNP (given that they had no role in the sorry state of affairs that the world is in, and will never get the opportunity to implement their plans in any case) -- this is particularly the case in the current environment given that several associates of mine in Wall Street and in the City of London were for several years engaged in the leveraging up of the financial system via subprime structured investment vehicles

 

I will finish off this diatribe by wholeheartedly agreeing with Obsession and yourself. Political sentiment and inclination should not be penalised in a free and fair society; only questionable actions should. Those policemen deserve their jobs back.

[indianbrit 0]

In any case, probably down to myself a great deal, this thread has become a ping pong match on the merits and demerits of a certain British political party, interesting though such a discussion is.

 

Getting things back on track, I would like to thank all of you for your valuable contributions, in respect of your thoughts on racism emanating from the Thai and being directed to the Indian. What I have learned (and correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of Thai bars are accomodative of the Indian bar visitor, but a minority are not.

 

I have also learned that Indians suffer from a justified "cheap charlie" perception because of their unwillingness (and not necessarily their inability) to part with more than handful of dollars a time. The implication is that any visiting Indian must dispel such a generalised perception by being seen to be generous with the amount spent on drinks in a bar (easily done). To this end, should I come across any expats on my traversal through the bars of Pattaya, the drinks will be on me !!

[bibzo 7]

The Indians have rejected globalisation and have in Fact band some Chinese imports and have been one of the economies still seeing growth

 

Immigrant labour has been good for some companies as a cheep alternative to the indigenous labour pool.

 

One example is a very profitable Walsh bus company that employed over 1000 east European drivers, there profits 07-08. £176’000000 net

 

But it would have been good if the company upped the wages to reflect the high living costs of the British workers who do not have the luck of the currency exchange rates to increase the bang for the buck

 

£40 a day to an immigrant worker living 10, to a house is very good when his home country is paying £3 a day and his economy is geared to this level of wages.

He can send the money back, and hay presto 3 years his house is paid of. lucky him

 

And he has the chance to scratch a bit more from illegal activity.

 

 

So the poor old ex British worker stuck on £40 a day and having to pay

£80 rent £60 snivel servant Tax.

Over the top gas tax and more ,Decides to say fuck this and develops some injury to get on the benefit bus.

 

The only way for British worker to compete in a globalisation market is for them to work for the same wages as the lowest paid works in that market .

 

Welcome to globalisation and free trade.

Edited April 15, 2009 by bibzo

[Obsession 571]

On a more serious note, I really do pity the BNP; their supporters have a tendency to blame their inadequacies and lack of progress in British society on those who are prepared to get off their backsides and make a go of things (so the Asians get stick, the Jews get stick and the Eastern European builders are currently getting most of the stick).

 

Sorry mate, but thats utter nonsense and is arrogant to think the UK needs you or you are in some way better than the indigent British population. I think British society is a world leader in terms of progress and done very well before being inunndated with the current crop of immigrants. imho, it was a better country before.

Read Bizbos post and learn.

[jacko 8,578]

In any case, probably down to myself a great deal, this thread has become a ping pong match on the merits and demerits of a certain British political party, interesting though such a discussion is.

 

Getting things back on track, I would like to thank all of you for your valuable contributions, in respect of your thoughts on racism emanating from the Thai and being directed to the Indian. What I have learned (and correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of Thai bars are accomodative of the Indian bar visitor, but a minority are not.

 

I have also learned that Indians suffer from a justified "cheap charlie" perception because of their unwillingness (and not necessarily their inability) to part with more than handful of dollars a time. The implication is that any visiting Indian must dispel such a generalised perception by being seen to be generous with the amount spent on drinks in a bar (easily done). To this end, should I come across any expats on my traversal through the bars of Pattaya, the drinks will be on me !!

You missed out the possibility you would be mistaken for Middle Eastern, another group not always welcome. Other than that you seem to catch on pretty well. If you have any issue, try a small tip!

Nice to discuss and hear the opinions of someone ......with a different perspective.

[indianbrit 0]

Many thanks jacko. The possibility of being mistaken for an Arab (given the Islamist-inspired geopolitical tensions in the south of Thailand) hs crossed my mind. I have enjoyed participating in this thread.

 

There seem to be several posters on this thread who be BNP supporters or at least see significant merit in the BNP (which of course is perfectly acceptable in our democratic, multicultural and pluralistic British society). To help inform those non-British participants on this forum about the BNP, I am providing you with an objective and factual Wikipedia link, so you have some context for the ping pong match between myself and my fellow Britishers on the merits and demerits of this British political party:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

 

I will let you come to your own (rapid) conclusion about the sorts of people who would actually vote for such a party as the BNP !!

[indianbrit 0]

According to wikipedia, the BNP received an impressive 0.7% of the national vote.

 

According to wikipedia the ideologies of the BNP comprise

a) white nationalism

british nationalism

c) right wing populism

d) facism

 

According to academic research from the University of Oxford, the majority of BNP supporters have the following socioeconomic make-up:

a) C2, D and E bands

(where A1 = upper class, AB = upper middle class, C1 = lower middle class, C2 = skilled working class, DE = unskilled working class)

are poorly educated

(the statistical correlation between BNP voters and 'no qualifications' is a whopping 0.624, where 1 would be a perfect correlation. For those mathematicians amongst you, I would assume for simplicity that the person product-moment correlation coefficient that you learned at high school is being used)

[indianbrit 0]

Excuse those incongruous smilies

 

A b followed by ) seems to produce it

 

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According to wikipedia, the BNP received an impressive 0.7% of the national vote.

 

According to wikipedia the ideologies of the BNP comprise

1) white nationalism

2) british nationalism

3) right wing populism

4) facism

 

According to academic research from the University of Oxford, the majority of BNP supporters have the following socioeconomic make-up:

1) C2, D and E bands

(where A1 = upper class, AB = upper middle class, C1 = lower middle class, C2 = skilled working class, DE = unskilled working class)

2) are poorly educated

(the statistical correlation between BNP voters and 'no qualifications' is a whopping 0.624, where 1 would be a perfect correlation. For those mathematicians amongst you, I would assume for simplicity that the person product-moment correlation coefficient that you learned at high school is being used)

[Arno 0]

Strange!....you can't make a post saying that you find some FLB service girl called Alice unattractive without it being immediately deleted....but on the other hand board members are allowed to get up on their soap box shamelessly banging the drum for some obscure British fascist political party that promotes views that wouldn't be tolerated not even in free thinking Holland.

 

What a world we live in...

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Many thanks jacko. The possibility of being mistaken for an Arab (given the Islamist-inspired geopolitical tensions in the south of Thailand) hs crossed my mind. I have enjoyed participating in this thread.

 

Jeez. Fistly, it's an ethnic (Malay) separatist inspired issue, not a religous one. Secondly, there have been no incidents related to the troubles within 1,000 km of Bangkok. That's a big, fat zero, irrespective of which correlation coefficient you choose to employ.

Edited April 16, 2009 by CheshireTom

[indianbrit 0]

Strange!....you can't make a post saying that you find some FLB service girl called Alice unattractive without it being immediately deleted....but on the other hand board members are allowed to get up on their soap box shamelessly banging the drum for some obscure British fascist political party that promotes views that wouldn't be tolerated not even in free thinking Holland.

 

What a world we live in...

 

Hi Arno

 

Holland and Britain are, in my opinion, the two best places in Europe for multiculturalism, anti-racism and liberal living. I really do admire your country and what it stands for, in the same way that I admire my country, Britain.

 

But I differ from you in respect of one thing. I feel that it is absolutely necessary to allow complete freedom of speech for all. I really do enjoy debating with people who support questionable causes, just in case I am able to change their minds ! In any case, such a debate will hopefully inform the objective reader from outside of the UK.

 

Regards,

IndianBrit

[indianbrit 0]

Arno

 

On your next visit to London, I would suggest a Sunday visit to Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers'_Corner

 

It is truly a bastion of free speech, where you can come across BNP supporter, extremist Islamists, communists and pure capitalists within a space of 100 metres.

 

I often go there, and have developed an enjoyment for discussing things with people who I would normally not bother with.

 

IndianBrit

[chrisbrewer 0]

Strange!....you can't make a post saying that you find some FLB service girl called Alice unattractive without it being immediately deleted....but on the other hand board members are allowed to get up on their soap box shamelessly banging the drum for some obscure British fascist political party that promotes views that wouldn't be tolerated not even in free thinking Holland.

 

What a world we live in...

 

 

Just remember Arno, Holland would now be a fascist puppet state if we poor old Brits had not stood alone against facism and come to bail you out mate.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

According to academic research from the University of Oxford, the majority of BNP supporters have the following socioeconomic make-up:

a) C2, D and E bands

(where A1 = upper class, AB = upper middle class, C1 = lower middle class, C2 = skilled working class, DE = unskilled working class)

are poorly educated

(the statistical correlation between BNP voters and 'no qualifications' is a whopping 0.624, where 1 would be a perfect correlation. For those mathematicians amongst you, I would assume for simplicity that the person product-moment correlation coefficient that you learned at high school is being used)

 

Funnily enough, the PAD in Thailand used the exact same argument against the people that voted in the last government.

[Arno 0]

Just remember Arno, Holland would now be a fascist puppet state if we poor old Brits had not stood alone against facism and come to bail you out mate.

It's not the Netherlands fault that the country is flat and there were no hills to slow down the panzers...

 

If only the chunnel had been built a few decades earlier and you would be snacking on sauerkraut and bratwurst instead of your fry ups!

[indianbrit 0]

It's not the Netherlands fault that the country is flat and there were no hills to slow down the panzers...

 

If only the chunnel had been built a few decades earlier and you would be snacking on sauerkraut and bratwurst instead of your fry ups!

 

Talking of fry-ups, gentlemen, are there any decent English breakfast places in Pattaya ?

 

I may well grow tired of Thai food and occasionally yearn for a hearty British breakfast (once a Brit, always a Brit).