Muslims

[joekicker 53]

And that is also a problem, the ones who are making problems do believe they are living by the Quoran......

It permits the killing of all who oppose it.

 

But which one doesn't, especially of the Big Three? The Crusades were done entirely in the name of God and authorised by the Bible. The taking of a homeland was fully authorised by the Torah. Just for minor examples. Even humanists believe and preach just wars in the name of humanism.

 

Even a lot of Buddhists find the justification with no problem. But in the Big Three, their big books fully authorise the glory of killing for the righteous cause, of course they do. It's not so much unfair to note that the Koran does this as you have to squint to ignore the glare from the other two (three).

 

Lol, how could you have a gingers anonymous meeting in Glasgow, ?? you are all fucking ginger bastards D D

 

I just ran across this academic essay which I'm sure will make wood for you and a few other thread participants:

 

Revealed: Why So Many Scots Have Ginger Hair (Blame It on the Weather)

- Daily Mail

 

 

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Edited March 10, 2010 by joekicker

[Obsession 571]

Yes and the very title of it made me think of a JFK quote..

ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

The European Muslims have not made the effort to integrate, they have worn their religion on their sleeves, degraded the very country they inhabit and generally behaved like a bad guest.

 

So I say It's Muslims are failing Europe......

 

That TV programme this week. Part of getting Imams to be able to relate better with young "British muslims" , was to tea them English. One they spoke to had been in the UK 22 years without learning English. All that time he has been advizing others and he cant speak da lingo. The class was full of Imams who couldnt speak English.

 

Good news. Apart from the 22nd mosque to open in Glasgow, the muslim MP ( the guy with the crooked son and brother ) has bought over a bowling green and is wanting to build a muslim school. Just what Glasgow needs Unfortunately he went about it unlawfully ( whoooooda guessed) and its delayed.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

That TV programme this week. Part of getting Imams to be able to relate better with young "British muslims" , was to tea them English. One they spoke to had been in the UK 22 years without learning English. All that time he has been advizing others and he cant speak da lingo. The class was full of Imams who couldnt speak English.

 

Good news. Apart from the 22nd mosque to open in Glasgow, the muslim MP ( the guy with the crooked son and brother ) has bought over a bowling green and is wanting to build a muslim school. Just what Glasgow needs Unfortunately he went about it unlawfully ( whoooooda guessed) and its delayed.

 

I take that the other 21 were lawfully built ????

[nidnoyham 30]

If I had to illustrate reasons for my concern about the growing amount of Muslims in this country. I would play Devils Advocate and suggest two hyperthetical situations, that would not have been even crossed my mind twenty years ago, but perhaps are in the realms of possiblity now.

 

 

First one is of the Queen, this June at Royal Ascot, traveling down the course in her open Landau. A Muslim extremist runs from the crowd and gets close enough to explode a bomb, killing him,a couple of horses and body guards, all live on T.V. The queen dies from a heart attack.

 

Second one, is same scenario, but a Muslim woman dressed in the full gear runs toward the queen, meaning to wish her well with some flowers- (unlikely I know ) A bodyguard shoots her dead before she gets to the Queens carriage. Again, live on National T.V

 

Twenty years ago, these thoughts wouldn't even have entered my head. Twenty years ago, I hadn't had a son traveling on the London underground system the day it was attacked by Muslim suicide bombers. He didn't answer his phone for twenty minutes. That gut feeling of fearing the worst, still lives with me today.

 

Can you imagine the social unrest, following such suggested incidents ?

Yeh, you can scoff and say they are unlikely, but you would have said that about suicide attacks before 7th July 2005.

 

Makes me shudder to think about it.

[atlas2 4,329]

If I had to illustrate reasons for my concern about the growing amount of Muslims in this country. I would play Devils Advocate and suggest two hyperthetical situations, that would not have been even crossed my mind twenty years ago, but perhaps are in the realms of possiblity now.

 

 

First one is of the Queen, this June at Royal Ascot, traveling down the course in her open Landau. A Muslim extremist runs from the crowd and gets close enough to explode a bomb, killing him,a couple of horses and body guards, all live on T.V. The queen dies from a heart attack.

 

Second one, is same scenario, but a Muslim woman dressed in the full gear runs toward the queen, meaning to wish her well with some flowers- (unlikely I know ) A bodyguard shoots her dead before she gets to the Queens carriage. Again, live on National T.V

 

Twenty years ago, these thoughts wouldn't even have entered my head. Twenty years ago, I hadn't had a son traveling on the London underground system the day it was attacked by Muslim suicide bombers. He didn't answer his phone for twenty minutes. That gut feeling of fearing the worst, still lives with me today.

 

Can you imagine the social unrest, following such suggested incidents ?

Yeh, you can scoff and say they are unlikely, but you would have said that about suicide attacks before 7th July 2005.

 

Makes me shudder to think about it.

 

Got the meaning,got your point!

 

Dangers change..... With the IRA, I'm only aware of Mountbatten being a target. There was some understanding that there were limits..(or maybe not), to who it would be counter-productive to kill..Certainly Edward Kennedy was safe as houses.

 

I'll wait to see how Mr 'P' rationalises,dilutes,mitigates,criticises,condescends,belittles and crushes your post.........Until you pop back up like a plastic duck and do just the same to him. The thing is you both,but you in particular argue with integrity. I really get a sense of the concern you feel for your son's future.

 

 

What I'm always staggered by is the certain knowledge that either of those 2 events would be met by completely opposite viewpoints and all stations in-between.

 

A sizable portion of England would have the vapors about the horses!

[Gawd Elpus 798]

Got the meaning,got your point!

 

Dangers change..... With the IRA, I'm only aware of Mountbatten being a target. There was some understanding that there were limits..(or maybe not), to who it would be counter-productive to kill..Certainly Edward Kennedy was safe as houses.

 

I'll wait to see how Mr 'P' rationalises,dilutes,mitigates,criticises,condescends,belittles and crushes your post.........Until you pop back up like a plastic duck and do just the same to him. The thing is you both,but you in particular argue with integrity. I really get a sense of the concern you feel for your son's future.

 

 

What I'm always staggered by is the certain knowledge that either of those 2 events would be met by completely opposite viewpoints and all stations in-between.

 

A sizable portion of England would have the vapors about the horses!

 

it can be done in one short word.

 

IF.........................................................................................

[joekicker 53]

Dangers change..... With the IRA, I'm only aware of Mountbatten being a target. There was some understanding that there were limits..(or maybe not), to who it would be counter-productive to kill..Certainly Edward Kennedy was safe as houses.

 

No bomb at Thatcher's hotel, then?

 

For example.

 

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[Gawd Elpus 798]

No bomb at Thatcher's hotel, then?

 

For example.

 

.

 

 

the IRA carried out some horendous attacks on our homeland and carried out far more summary killings in Ireland than any Muslim has done in this country of ours. But of course, they can be forgiven because they were all white skinned and Catholics. We are probably more geared up aginst terrorism than any other country as we experienced it for years from these murdering bastards.

[nidnoyham 30]

The IRA were politically and militarily motivated. They only blew themselves up by accident.

 

How can you be geared up against a fanatic, that could come from any of several countries ? Pakistan, Nigeria, Somalia, Bangladesh, Kosovo.......

 

As Joe pointed out on another thread. While you are looking out for that dopey soft lad, who could be radicalized to become a bomber, the smartly dressed educated Muslim woman decides today is the time to die, along with any poor bugger around her.

 

I interpret that statemant as- " Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are potential ones "

 

Change that twenty years ago, in my last post, to 10 years, things are moving faster than that.

 

Your IF gets smaller every year old son. That is what worries me. Once the balloon goes up on such a scenario, how many decades before it goes away ? Probably never. Look at how the Welsh, Scot's Irish still hate the English for what happened centuries ago.

 

Europe is becoming more right wing as a result. Holland had a big vote for the anti Muslim Party and 30% of Austrians voted for right wing parties, because of the high Turkish immigrant numbers. Here in the U.K the BNP have never had so many elected members, in all levels of politics.

 

You can put this all down to Nationalism, Xenophobia and such. I put it down to mans natural instinct to protect his territory and his own from outsiders, in the way all other creature, from Ants to Zebra, instinctively do.

 

Man made laws may force you to tolerate other ethnic groups, but the Law of Nature is a more powerful force to recon with. Laws can make a person act a different way, but not think a different way.

 

For decades western Governments have gone for the cheap immigrant labour option, with little regard to any social problems that it may cause. These began right from the start. They chose to ignore racial tensions in the 60- 70's, thinking that a swathe of regulation, will keep it under control. Perhaps they thought all immigrants will intergarate into the British way of life, leaving behind all of their cultural, religious and language differences. In twenty years time you wouldn't know they were from another country- yeah right.

 

As you say, they are here now, nothing can be done to undo the past. It is the future that worries me.

 

Never mind an army in Afghanistan to bring about a peaceful society, we may need them here.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

The IRA were politically and militarily motivated. They only blew themselves up by accident.

 

How can you be geared up against a fanatic, that could come from any of several countries ? Pakistan, Nigeria, Somalia, Bangladesh, Kosovo.......

 

As Joe pointed out on another thread. While you are looking out for that dopey soft lad, who could be radicalized to become a bomber, the smartly dressed educated Muslim woman decides today is the time to die, along with any poor bugger around her.

 

I interpret that statemant as- " Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are potential ones "

 

Change that twenty years ago, in my last post, to 10 years, things are moving faster than that.

 

Your IF gets smaller every year old son. That is what worries me. Once the balloon goes up on such a scenario, how many decades before it goes away ? Probably never. Look at how the Welsh, Scot's Irish still hate the English for what happened centuries ago.

 

Europe is becoming more right wing as a result. Holland had a big vote for the anti Muslim Party and 30% of Austrians voted for right wing parties, because of the high Turkish immigrant numbers. Here in the U.K the BNP have never had so many elected members, in all levels of politics.

 

You can put this all down to Nationalism, Xenophobia and such. I put it down to mans natural instinct to protect his territory and his own from outsiders, in the way all other creature, from Ants to Zebra, instinctively do.

 

Man made laws may force you to tolerate other ethnic groups, but the Law of Nature is a more powerful force to recon with. Laws can make a person act a different way, but not think a different way.

 

For decades western Governments have gone for the cheap immigrant labour option, with little regard to any social problems that it may cause. These began right from the start. They chose to ignore racial tensions in the 60- 70's, thinking that a swathe of regulation, will keep it under control. Perhaps they thought all immigrants will intergarate into the British way of life, leaving behind all of their cultural, religious and language differences. In twenty years time you wouldn't know they were from another country- yeah right.

 

As you say, they are here now, nothing can be done to undo the past. It is the future that worries me.

 

Never mind an army in Afghanistan to bring about a peaceful society, we may need them here.

 

Some fair comments there, but there is little that can be done. I do not however agree with your statement "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are potential ones " it could equally be said that not all humans are murderers but they are all potential ones. Nor do I share your view about primitive instincts, we are humans not animals and we should have evolved to a higher plain. Whatever one feels about the situation, the future is already written. None of us are to blame, immigrants aren't really to blame, as they have taken advantage of seeking a better life by their standards.

There will soon be a new world order, followed by another when the day comes that we no longer rely on fossil fuels. Until then I simply cannot see any solutions to the migration of Muslims and the agenda of extremist terrorists other than what is being done already. We go around in a circular argument, and no government elected next time around will consider deportation, genocide or segregation. The BNP will not figure in much decision making in a new government, but if they did, what do you think would happen and how would they fund their policies. Do you really think that the tax payer would be able to foot the bill of their ambitions ??

Edited March 10, 2010 by Mr Pastry

[joekicker 53]

As Joe pointed out on another thread. While you are looking out for that dopey soft lad, who could be radicalized to become a bomber, the smartly dressed educated Muslim woman decides today is the time to die, along with any poor bugger around her.

 

I interpret that statemant as- " Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are potential ones "

 

Well, so long as you take responsibility for that interpretation and don't credit me. "All Muslims" are not potential terrorists any more than all Irishmen or all Catholics. I made a very different point - that in an asychronous battle, the terrorist and guerrilla are indistinguishable from the non-terrorists and non-guerrillas. It is definitely untrue that all Muslims, Irishmen or Japanese women with dyed red hair are potential terrorists. It is definitely untrue that a significant number of Muslims, Irishmen or Japanese women with dyed red hair *_are_* terrorists. But some are, there's no doubt.

 

Right today there are lots of terrorists who aren't Muslim. Almost all Muslims are not terrorists. What IS difficult is picking out the terrorist in any group of people until (s)he acts.

 

.

[jacko 8,866]

But which one doesn't, especially of the Big Three? The Crusades were done entirely in the name of God and authorised by the Bible. The taking of a homeland was fully authorised by the Torah. Just for minor examples. Even humanists believe and preach just wars in the name of humanism.

 

Even a lot of Buddhists find the justification with no problem. But in the Big Three, their big books fully authorise the glory of killing for the righteous cause, of course they do. It's not so much unfair to note that the Koran does this as you have to squint to ignore the glare from the other two (three).

 

 

 

I just ran across this academic essay which I'm sure will make wood for you and a few other thread participants:

 

Revealed: Why So Many Scots Have Ginger Hair (Blame It on the Weather)

- Daily Mail

 

 

.

But which one claims to be the writings directly from the mind of God???

Buddhism most certainly does not.

 

The Crusades, your poor example, were a military expedition to reclaim lands and assist Alexius. Warmongering was a factor of those times.

Let us have an example. If I was to decry or denounce Islam publically, any Miuslim would have the right by his book to kill me.

No trial, for me!

I could not find such instructions in the Bible.

And If I denounced Jesus to the very Pope himself, I have the idea he would forgive rather than set the Swiss guards on me spears a jabbing.

 

I don't think the Christian world is now so strict regarding blasphemy....

We rarely issue 'permission to kill fatwahs' over books or cartoons.

To teach your believers like this in or modern age.....well.

Edited March 11, 2010 by jacko

[Gawd Elpus 798]

But which one claims to be the writings directly from the mind of God???

Buddhism most certainly does not.

 

The Crusades, your poor example, were a military expedition to reclaim lands and assist Alexius. Warmongering was a factor of those times.

Let us have an example. If I was to decry or denounce Islam publically, any Miuslim would have the right by his book to kill me.

No trial, for me!

I could not find such instructions in the Bible.

And If I denounced Jesus to the very Pope himself, I have the idea he would forgive rather than set the Swiss guards on me spears a jabbing.

 

I don't think the Christian world is now so strict regarding blasphemy....

We rarely issue 'permission to kill fatwahs' over books or cartoons.

To teach your believers like this in or modern age.....well.

 

You can in the old testiment mate, there are loads of references to nn beleivers being killed. The new testimant quite different and more compassionate.

 

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

 

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

 

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

 

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

 

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

 

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

 

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

 

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

 

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

 

 

Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

 

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

 

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

 

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

 

 

Judge other religions for not following Christ:

 

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

 

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

 

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

 

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

 

False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9

 

of course the both the Old and New Testaments are considerably older than the quoran which is dated around 1400 years old, and the difference being is how all 3 book are interpreted around the world. But even during and after the middle ages, many were put to death and tortured for non-belief and burned as witches.

 

To me, religion is responsible for much of the evil in this world.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Mr Pastry

[atlas2 4,329]

No bomb at Thatcher's hotel, then?

 

For example.

 

.

 

I was thinking Royalty........... The Queen unifies Britain more than almost any PM can.

[atlas2 4,329]

the IRA carried out some horendous attacks on our homeland and carried out far more summary killings in Ireland than any Muslim has done in this country of ours. But of course, they can be forgiven because they were all white skinned and Catholics. We are probably more geared up aginst terrorism than any other country as we experienced it for years from these murdering bastards.

 

Who's forgiven?

 

I still won't go into a McDonalds............. Never forget, or forgive their generous Noraid donations.

 

Don't obfuscate with the 'white skin' thing. Not relevant! The IRA simply had 'some' limits,that's all. There was not a little pragmatism amongst their ranks.......... Everyone saw how things changed after 9/11. America having it's own terrorist threat saw things differently.

 

However I agree with everything else in your post. Nice to see you wave the flag sometimes.

 

And I also agree, (when I put you on the spot) with your masterfully succinct..... 'IF' from Nidnoy's post

 

As Kipling put it.... "If me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle."

[atlas2 4,329]

You can in the old testiment mate, there are loads of references to nn beleivers being killed. The new testimant quite different and more compassionate.

 

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

 

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

 

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

 

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

 

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

 

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

 

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

 

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

 

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

 

 

Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

 

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

 

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

 

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

 

 

Judge other religions for not following Christ:

 

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

 

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

 

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

 

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

 

False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9

 

of course the both the Old and New Testaments are considerably older than the quoran which is dated around 1400 years old, and the difference being is how all 3 book are interpreted around the world. But even during and after the middle ages, many were put to death and tortured for non-belief and burned as witches.

 

To me, religion is responsible for much of the evil in this world.

 

Religion is a good and a bad thing,no question

 

America would not have been 'discovered' quite the way it was, if not for Europe's Christians (forget which Pope,somebody go to wiki for me) wanting Columbus to find a way to out flank and open a new front on their Muslim competitors, who had control of all the trade routes and were squeezing Europe's pips. The 'battle' between opposing faiths is a long and bloody one. With the good guys and the bad guys constantly changing hats. And it ain't over yet

 

'Imagine no religion,it's easy if you try'

 

Which, while I'm quoting Lennon............ Didn't he receive death threats from good Christian Americans for his words being taken as an insult to Jesus?

 

All I'm echoing is the statement by made by many here before that nobody's hands are clean.

I'm agreeing with Pastry's quotes (Though the Kill ones are Old Test). There's just no point in debating that any further.

 

But............. Currently the fervour is with the Muslim religion. It represents a clear danger, with world wide ambition,(unlike the IRA).

 

 

The future isn't a done deal.

 

There will be choices.

[nidnoyham 30]

Some fair comments there, but there is little that can be done. I do not however agree with your statement "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are potential ones " it could equally be said that not all humans are murderers but they are all potential ones.

 

Of course all humans are potential killers. Why do you think we all have to be scanned before boarding a plane ? Another little 'pain in the arse' of Terrorism.

 

Nor do I share your view about primitive instincts, we are humans not animals and we should have evolved to a higher plain.

 

Yes we should have, but we haven't. Instinct is more powerful than you give it credit for. Because of it, you can look into the face of another human being and instantly make a judgement on them; Are they potential friend or foe ? We all do it 'intstinctively' , you don't even know you are doing it.

 

When my son was about eight years old, I took him to Hounslow on a Saturday to get shoes for school. After an hour- fussy little sod. He asked to go home. I pointed out that we had no shoes yet. His reply was " I know dad, I just want to go home- now. " When i asked why, he lowered his voice and said " It's all these Indian people here " when i pointed out that they were not hurting him, he replied; " No they are not hurting me, I don' like it- it doesn't feel right " I could see he was upset, so home we went. It took some explaining to the wife as to why we had no shoes for Monday.

 

That was his natural instincts, giving him a feeling of unease among others different from him. Even if I had insisted on him staying, telling him he was being silly, that feeling would not have subsided.

Whatever one feels about the situation, the future is already written. None of us are to blame, immigrants aren't really to blame, as they have taken advantage of seeking a better life by their standards.

There will soon be a new world order, followed by another when the day comes that we no longer rely on fossil fuels. Until then I simply cannot see any solutions to the migration of Muslims and the agenda of extremist terrorists other than what is being done already. We go around in a circular argument, and no government elected next time around will consider deportation, genocide or segregation. The BNP will not figure in much decision making in a new government, but if they did, what do you think would happen and how would they fund their policies. Do you really think that the tax payer would be able to foot the bill of their ambitions ??

 

 

I basically agree with the above.

[Obsession 571]

I take that the other 21 were lawfully built ????

 

I was talking about the proposed Muslim school. Not the new and 22nd mosque

 

I dont see why Irish terrorists are brought up again? Different thing altogether. They didnt want a muslim ( or catholic) parliament in the UK, their own law , food preparation etc. They made no difference to my daily life. In my city, we are making progress on religious sectarianism. Its not a good idea to start a new schools in another religion and have more separation and unwillingness to mix.

[nidnoyham 30]

I was talking about the proposed Muslim school.

In my city, we are making progress on religious sectarianism. Its not a good idea to start a new schools in another religion and have more separation and unwillingness to mix.

 

 

A while back, Hounslow council organized a mixed faith day. It may well be an annual event now.

 

Reading the report in the local press about how it went, one thing stood out. The non participation of the local Muslims.

 

There were Hindu- Sikh- Buddhist- Christian and Jewish participants. They all visited each others places of worship, ending up in a church for tea and sandwiches.

 

It was a Saturday, perhaps the Muslims didn't like to visit the Jewish Synagogue ? Perhaps they didn't want other faiths desicrating their bit of Islam ? Or maybe they didn't get an invite ?

 

It was significant that on T.V's C4 "High rise house of Commons" an M.P. was talking to a Iman at a Mosque, who told her that anyone was welcome to come inside and see what goes on there.

 

She organized a Barbie' for the Muslim and other local residents. It was significant that she was taken by the women from the Mosque to special shop to buy traditional Somalian Muslim clothes for her to wear on the occasion. No Muslim women wore western dress as a good will gesture. Once again it is us accepting their ways in an effort to appease. Look, we will do what you ask us to do - please like us !

 

 

Say what you will, they are a funny old lot

Edited March 12, 2010 by nidnoyham

[judd 2]

إذا كنت تعرف الكثير عن Muslims ثم ترجمة هذه الجملة إذا كان بإمكانك

Edited March 12, 2010 by judd

[Gawd Elpus 798]

A while back, Hounslow council organized a mixed faith day. It may well be an annual event now.

 

Reading the report in the local press about how it went, one thing stood out. The non participation of the local Muslims.

 

There were Hindu- Sikh- Buddhist- Christian and Jewish participants. They all visited each others places of worship, ending up in a church for tea and sandwiches.

 

It was a Saturday, perhaps the Muslims didn't like to visit the Jewish Synagogue ? Perhaps they didn't want other faiths desicrating their bit of Islam ? Or maybe they didn't get an invite ?

 

It was significant that on T.V's C4 "High rise house of Commons" an M.P. was talking to a Iman at a Mosque, who told her that anyone was welcome to come inside and see what goes on there.

 

She organized a Barbie' for the Muslim and other local residents. It was significant that she was taken by the women from the Mosque to special shop to buy traditional Somalian Muslim clothes for her to wear on the occasion. No Muslim women wore western dress as a good will gesture. Once again it is us accepting their ways in an effort to appease. Look, we will do what you ask us to do - please like us !

 

 

Say what you will, they are a funny old lot

 

 

Do you have a link to that report in the local press ?? should be online somewhere, I would like to read it.

[Obsession 571]

A while back, Hounslow council organized a mixed faith day. It may well be an annual event now.

 

Reading the report in the local press about how it went, one thing stood out. The non participation of the local Muslims.

 

There were Hindu- Sikh- Buddhist- Christian and Jewish participants. They all visited each others places of worship, ending up in a church for tea and sandwiches.

 

It was a Saturday, perhaps the Muslims didn't like to visit the Jewish Synagogue ? Perhaps they didn't want other faiths desicrating their bit of Islam ? Or maybe they didn't get an invite ?

 

It was significant that on T.V's C4 "High rise house of Commons" an M.P. was talking to a Iman at a Mosque, who told her that anyone was welcome to come inside and see what goes on there.

 

She organized a Barbie' for the Muslim and other local residents. It was significant that she was taken by the women from the Mosque to special shop to buy traditional Somalian Muslim clothes for her to wear on the occasion. No Muslim women wore western dress as a good will gesture. Once again it is us accepting their ways in an effort to appease. Look, we will do what you ask us to do - please like us !

 

 

Say what you will, they are a funny old lot

 

I reckon all religions would let you in to their place of worship except the muslims. I just dont think we wouldbe welcomed. Women would have to go through the serfs entrance if they did let them in A Morrocan Taxi driver once showed me the womans entrance to the Mosque , compared to the mans. Bit sexist.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

I reckon all religions would let you in to their place of worship except the muslims. I just dont think we wouldbe welcomed. Women would have to go through the serfs entrance if they did let them in A Morrocan Taxi driver once showed me the womans entrance to the Mosque , compared to the mans. Bit sexist.

 

 

I have been in my local Mosque, no probs when we visited. There is no separate entrance for women either. Many Mosques provide space for meetings and conferences etc, and they rent out the space to most groups especially local Voluntary and statutory organizations. Another myth, appears here , I think. My view, is that many dont actually want them to integrate, but pretend that they do, so that they can conveniently have yet another excuse for their prejudice toward Muslims. To me its not a question of whether one would allow someone of a different faith to enter their religious establishment, but whether, or why someone would want to. I dont have any reason to visit a Synagogue, as I am not Jewish, just as a Jew probably would have no wish to enter a Catholic Church, I would have thought that entirely obvious. To me its a non-argument

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I have been in my local Mosque, no probs when we visited. There is no separate entrance for women either. Many Mosques provide space for meetings and conferences etc, and they rent out the space to most groups especially local Voluntary and statutory organizations. Another myth, appears here , I think. My view, is that many dont actually want them to integrate, but pretend that they do, so that they can conveniently have yet another excuse for their prejudice toward Muslims. To me its not a question of whether one would allow someone of a different faith to enter their religious establishment, but whether, or why someone would want to. I dont have any reason to visit a Synagogue, as I am not Jewish, just as a Jew probably would have no wish to enter a Catholic Church, I would have thought that entirely obvious. To me its a non-argument

 

Thats a sad sad post What pile of tosh to say that we just "pretend" that we want them to integrate, but that we dont. That is just treehugger mumbo jumbo without a scintilla of evidence, whereas there is lots of evidence that they dont want to integrate. Your stooping to low old fella

 

The main Glasgow mosque in Mosque Avenue in Glasgow, opposite the sherriff court , had different entrances for men and women. Families have to split to enter. Also Londons biggest mosque has women and men taught in different classes.

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I have been in my local Mosque

 

I dont have any reason to visit a Synagogue, as I am not Jewish

So you're a Muslim then????