Boeing 787 Manchester

[Brown1950 67]

For the airline enthusiasts on the forum understand the new B787 will visit Manchester on 3rd September arriving at 1135 ex Seattle leaving for LHR following day at 1055.

[glynbuk 29]

cheers for that, will keep an eye on the news for more info

[dode 2]

For the airline enthusiasts on the forum understand the new B787 will visit Manchester on 3rd September arriving at 1135 ex Seattle leaving for LHR following day at 1055.

 

The B787 ? Is that the Boeing version of the Airbus A380 ?

[Samsonite 181]

The B787 ? Is that the Boeing version of the Airbus A380 ?

Are you kidding? If not, no.

 

The Boeing 787 is an entirely new aircraft designed to replace planes the size of the Boeing 767 and Airbus 330. Because of the 3 year delay in the 787, sales of the 330 have been very brisk.

 

http://www.newairplane.com/787/

 

Flight testing of the 787 was finally complete just this last Saturday and first production plane should be delivered to ANA in September.

 

The a380 was the Airbus answer to the Boeing 747, but it hasn't sold well and production is still slow.

The airplane that most airlines are using to replace their older 747s is the Boeing 777-300ER. Over 500 have been sold since it first went into service in 2004.

[mcan 0]

500 Plus 777 300 er orderd in seven and a half years. 240 airbus a380's on firm order after three and three quater years seems pretty good to me,I would expect to sell less numbers of a larger plane.

[Samsonite 181]

500 Plus 777 300 er orderd in seven and a half years. 240 airbus a380's on firm order after three and three quater years seems pretty good to me,I would expect to sell less numbers of a larger plane.

The A380 has been "for sale" for the last 11 years. The first was delivered to Singapore Air 4 years ago this October. Since then they have delivered how many? Around 50 or 60?

 

The first 777, the -200 series went into service in 1995, followed by the -200ER two years later and the -300 in 1998. Until recently the -200ER was the best seller of the 777 family.

 

In the late '90s Boeing went through the 777 and "re-engineered" about 35% of the plane which included a new wing, engines, landing gear, etc., and announced, that is, made available for sale, the 777-300ER. This was done in March of 2000. So, it has been offered for sale as long as the A380, it went into service in 2004, with Air France, has sold 514 as of the end of July 2011 and 290 have been delivered, again as of the end of July. There have been 20 new 777 orders in just the last week and all for the -300ER or the Freighter.

 

The 777-300ER was followed by the 777-200LR, the longest range commercial jet in production, and the 777F (freighter). While the -200LR and F (based on the -200LR) use the shorter -200 fuselage, they share the same wing, engines, landing gear, etc. with the -300ER.

 

The reason it has done so well is most airlines don't want, i.e., they don't need, large planes like the 747 and 380. The reason over 1,500 Boeing 747s have been sold over the years is it was, until the mid/late 90s the only plane of "size" that had the range for flights like LAX or SFO to Tokyo or Hong Kong. In the mid/late 90s the Boeing 777 and Airbus 340 became available and the airlines could finally buy planes to fit their business model.

 

The biggest competitor to Boeing's new 747-8I is their own 777-300ER.

 

The 747-400 can carry, in the standard 3 class configuration, 416 passengers, but most airlines outfitted it for less than 400 seats. The 747-8I can carry 467.

 

As I said, most airlines don't need that kind of capacity, so they buy the 777-300ER. It can carry 365 passengers or less or more, depending how each airline wants to outfit it. It weighs 100,000 to 200,000 pounds less than the 747 depending on what series you want to compare it to, so it saves fuel. It has two engines instead of 4, so it saves fuel, and it can carry over a 1,000 cubic feet more cargo and the money is in cargo, not passengers. Doesn't take an army of accountants to figure out which to buy. However, again, that depends on the airlines and the routes they fly.

Edited August 19, 2011 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Are you kidding? If not, no.

 

 

I think he was implying that both aircraft (787 and 380) are a couple of hundred sales short of their respective BEPs. Scottish humour at work.

 

Anyway, it's nice to see that Boeing, as promised, has managed to get the 787 out in time for the Olympics.

Edited August 19, 2011 by CheshireTom