Muslims

[joekicker 53]

Boys the only way and i mean only way herion dealers or importers survive in the west is because of the corrupt police forces.Muslims know this and are exploiting them world wide. fire away its amazing how some of you get so deep into a topic.

 

I have to dispute that. The coppers are just fairly small-time enablers. The dealers and importers survive because of demand, first -- without demand, no reason for supply. And the really true corruption is a lot higher than the cops. If it was only the cops, the heroin would never make it to the west in the first place. To these people like politicians and generals, it's not corruption, it's just business.

 

I didn't know Islam was big in Mexico, though, that IS a surprise, Mexico being the gateway where heroin gets to the US.

 

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[Obsession 571]

The Leader of the BNP says he will deport 2 million immigrants if they are elected. Do you believe that too ?? as a sensible person

 

This is one of his speeches at a KKK meeting in US

 

 

What has a ten year old video of Nick Griffin got to do with muslims? I dont vote BNP, and am not a supporter of BNP. Two wrongs dont make a right. You think you can defend muslims disgraceful behaviour in the UK by talking shit about Zulus, Abbos ( is that a racist term?), Hitler, but its a non argument. Whats your logic?............Griffin alledgedly spoke to the KKK ten years ago , therefore, muslims dont want the British parliament to be all muslims??????

Jeez. Earth to Planet Pastry. Come in Planet Pastry

 

Where did I write that Europeans wanted to hang President Bush? I don't recall that -- neither European or hanging. I do recall writing that the English mainstream media called for the killing of Bush, though. Is that what you mean and have a short memory, or are you simply confused?

 

But yes, very good one Obsessed One -- white people did indeed used to attack and lynch blacks. EXACTLY MY POINT, and I appreciate the support. Not only Muslims do that stuff. And not all white people are terrorists, either -- are you?

 

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MrLogic, the troll. What have white people , or should I say white Americans killing black people, to do with muslims in the UK?

 

TrollBoy. Please post a link to western media wanting Bush killed. Is this the same as you previously trying to make out the UK as a totalitarian state? How many times do you have to be exposed as a liar, before you learn

 

Birdy - Your experience is 13 years old and pretty irrelevent today. Heres a link to the new Manchester gangs , none of which were white. Whites are still involved , but talking about heroin, or skin colour is pretty irrelevent imho. I prefer to leave racist comments to Pastry and Joe.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

What has a ten year old video of Nick Griffin got to do with muslims? I dont vote BNP, and am not a supporter of BNP. Two wrongs dont make a right. You think you can defend muslims disgraceful behaviour in the UK by talking shit about Zulus, Abbos ( is that a racist term?), Hitler, but its a non argument. Whats your logic?............Griffin alledgedly spoke to the KKK ten years ago , therefore, muslims dont want the British parliament to be all muslims??????

Jeez. Earth to Planet Pastry. Come in Planet Pastry

 

. Both of the two politicians, Griffin and the Muslim, daft as a fucken box of frogs and both laughable. History is important and in this case illustrates that the British have countlessly carried out the same things on other countries, than they are now complaining about. They hardly set a good example for others to follow now, did they ?? One rule for us and other for them, its always been the same. But some of the British now resent, others for coming to our land for their own benefit. The British have a history of trying to spread and impose Christianity on the rest of the world, but push others away with theirs. We have had it all our way for too long and now paying the price for it. Ignoring history, is not learning a lesson. Just as in our own lives we make many judgments based on or experience and knowledge through the past. Just because some of these things did not happen in our loife times, does not make them less important.

[joekicker 53]

MrLogic, the troll. What have white people , or should I say white Americans killing black people, to do with muslims in the UK?

 

You don't know me. You've never met me. Why do you start all messages addressed to me with personal insults? Why not just debate the issue?

 

What I wrote above, answering the OP and on topic, was that violence and law-breaking and morality-bending occurs in all societies, no matter how you group the world's people. Yes, the Muslims drink. They also murder, they also steal, they also shag other men and women outside their marriage. As do members of ALL groups, ALL religions. As American Christians have done and do. As white Americans have done, as black Americans have, as Rastafarians have, and as Scottish Presbyterians do right today and as some Pattaya Talk participants no doubt do. It is hysterical and silly to point out that Muslims do it, in a manner (in the OP and your own posts) that says or even implies Muslims and only Muslims are not faithful to the law, their creed, their religion, or that there is something notable about Muslims doing it.

 

I don't know why you chose to point out that some violent white Americans killed some blacks in the most gruesome and murderous way, but you were absolutely correct about it. If you hadn't mentioned it, I probably wouldn't have thought of that particular quite old example, but you are right, and it illustrated exactly what I said and what many others have said: Without anyone being Muslim, that absolutely happened.

 

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[Obsession 571]

. Both of the two politicians, Griffin and the Muslim, daft as a fucken box of frogs and both laughable. History is important and in this case illustrates that the British have countlessly carried out the same things on other countries, than they are now complaining about. They hardly set a good example for others to follow now, did they ?? One rule for us and other for them, its always been the same. But some of the British now resent, others for coming to our land for their own benefit. The British have a history of trying to spread and impose Christianity on the rest of the world, but push others away with theirs. We have had it all our way for too long and now paying the price for it. Ignoring history, is not learning a lesson. Just as in our own lives we make many judgments based on or experience and knowledge through the past. Just because some of these things did not happen in our loife times, does not make them less important.

 

Thats nonsense. We used to burn witches, and Vikings raped and plundered other lands. But now we are more civlilized and know better. You cant judge people on their ancestors behaviour. Today, in the modern world, muslims act atriciously, from hanging and stoning rape victims to bombing planes and buildings. The mainstream muslim population dont speak out about it and surveys show many support terror. But even leaving terrorism aside. We dont want the Europe Islamified , film makers murdered , fatwahs, burning of flags etc.

 

TODAY. Modern Britain. A guy who ran terrorist websites got some other conviction quashed and was APPLAUDED like a hero outside court, by muslims. Repeat. A guy who ran terrorist websites. Nuff said.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

Thats nonsense. We used to burn witches, and Vikings raped and plundered other lands. But now we are more civlilized and know better. You cant judge people on their ancestors behaviour. Today, in the modern world, muslims act atriciously, from hanging and stoning rape victims to bombing planes and buildings. The mainstream muslim population dont speak out about it and surveys show many support terror. But even leaving terrorism aside. We dont want the Europe Islamified , film makers murdered , fatwahs, burning of flags etc.

 

TODAY. Modern Britain. A guy who ran terrorist websites got some other conviction quashed and was APPLAUDED like a hero outside court, by muslims. Repeat. A guy who ran terrorist websites. Nuff said.

 

Wow, how many were there outside, thousands I bet ??

 

 

Who is the "we" again, sorry ??

[Obsession 571]

Wow, how many were there outside, thousands I bet ??

 

 

Who is the "we" again, sorry ??

 

I dont know how many were outside court. imho, one would be too much ,just as anyone applading a child killer would be out of order. You do realize that muslim terrorists target men, women and children??????

 

The "we". Is the majority. People are now even starting to vote for parties they would never have looked at before because of the preferential treatment immigrants get and racist stuff the immigrants spout on a regular basis.

 

TODAY. Black Police Officers Association claim that the Metropolitan Police are racist..................because that commander got jailed for a crime

WE. Are sick of their pish.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

I dont know how many were outside court. imho, one would be too much ,just as anyone applading a child killer would be out of order. You do realize that muslim terrorists target men, women and children??????

 

The "we". Is the majority. People are now even starting to vote for parties they would never have looked at before because of the preferential treatment immigrants get and racist stuff the immigrants spout on a regular basis.

 

TODAY. Black Police Officers Association claim that the Metropolitan Police are racist..................because that commander got jailed for a crime

WE. Are sick of their pish.

 

So who will you be voting for at the next GE ??

[Obsession 571]

So who will you be voting for at the next GE ??

 

Not sure. Will have to see their policies. The Tories dont have any policies yet, except IHT tax cut to their cronies

[atlas2 4,329]

I'd like to live in your world, tight little fantasy where the only threat is dark-skinned heathens who claim fealty to some remote being they call Allah. In your world, no white mobs ever killed hundreds of blacks in the US. In your world, no white English merchants ever traded dark-skinned Africans. In your world, no white African rulers ever killed fellow black African citizens to enforce their apartheid. In your world, no white do-gooders ever ripped thousands of Aborigine children from their parents. You've never heard of the Rape of Nanjing, the slaughter of every single non-Khmer AND two-thirds of all Khmers. There are no riots in China by minorities against Chinese that are put down by heavy gunfire with hundreds of dead, and the Vietnamese government has never used violence against major uprisings by its minorities. The Black Hole of Calcutta, heard of that? It happened just before the Indian terrorists tried to damage the fine, upstanding white people who were just trying to help Indians, after all.

 

Snip...Much of the same

 

Yes, Little One, I actually remember the cartoon demonstrations you wrote about. They weren't just in England, by the way and they DID kill people (each other, thank Gorsch) outside your island. But I remember them in England SPECIFICALLY, because I was thinking at the time, hmmm, England, where the mainstream, white, non-Muslim, nominally Christian media called for the murder of President Bush. What *is* it about England that gets the murderous, homicidal violence flowing? Of course the English Infidel and Bush both survived the English violence, but I remember those things, you bet I do. Stupid, extremist, violent people get the front pages and we get to hear about you overseas. Some of us remember the Muslim part and the other parts, too.

 

You might even enjoy having a beer or a Coke with a Muslim, now wouldn't that destroy your world view? Afraid?

 

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Joe is right to balance the scales of evil up. I think I summarised that position earlier for him, ie 'let those without sin' etc.

 

I'll do it again...'Hello Kettle this is the pot ........Your black!'

 

..... But hang on a moment, while I'm on the subject of 'Black Kettles'....... Joe will remember Chief 'Black Kettle' He was told by his President that as long as he flew the Flag of the United States 'and' the White Flag from the top his tepee he would be right as rain and safe as!......... So he did just that....However it didn't stop a founding father of Joe's State of Colorado from leading the attack on the helpless camp and turning Black Kettle's scrotum into a 'tabaccy pouch'..........'What *is* it about America that gets the murderous,homicidal violence flowing?'

 

As for The Black hole of Calcutta, (maybe it's my reading that's at fault) but Joe seems to imply that this was carried out by The British rather than 'on them' 140 odd shut up in a room so small that only 23 survived the night.

 

For every White atrocity there's a black,red,yellow one..... There I've repeated you argument a 3rd time.

Edited February 10, 2010 by atlas2

[Obsession 571]

Not so sure about pot and kettle. I cant think of any attrocities commited by Scots. However, I dont think they should effect today. And I utterly refuse to pay for any crimes commited before I was born by complete strangers. Its a non argument.

[atlas2 4,329]

Not so sure about pot and kettle. I cant think of any attrocities commited by Scots. However, I dont think they should effect today. And I utterly refuse to pay for any crimes commited before I was born by complete strangers. Its a non argument.

 

I agree.......... I can't think of any either.

 

Joe and Pastry's main arguments are, in my opinion quite straightforward. They maintain not all Muslims are to blame, and so they should not be tarred with the same brush. And no one race/religion has a perfect record,('part from the Scots) and therefore it's wrong for any race or religion to claim the high moral ground.

 

To make their case they quite naturally drag up history,news etc that supports those viewpoints. Same as anyone with a different point of view will do. Myself included.

 

I've never heard either 'condone' terrorist actions.......... Though the constant 'contrary' opinion looks like 'mitigation' it isn't. What I do feel they are both guilty of however, is that, for the purpose of prevailing in this discussion, they do,(at least to my following of their posts) claim the moral and intellectual high-ground. This smacks to me at least, of hypocrisy on their part. That may or may not be the case. In the end it's for you, the reader to decide for yourself.

 

My position is that there is a growing 'problem' in England,Europe and other parts of the world. It is not a 'perceived problem'.........It's tangible.........It exists. If violence and terror can only be avoided by giving Muslims what they want, can we do that? And is it right to lose what we have?

 

Always rationalising,internalising and turning the other Christian cheek becomes a dangerous excuse for inertia. This 'tangible' problem must be discussed openly and the laws of a country applied impartially for the good of all it's citizens,without fear or favour.

 

Joe and Pastry will argue that it 'is.' I and others will argue that it 'isn't' Hence the endless circular debate.

 

That's enough from me. Good luck with the argument.

Edited February 10, 2010 by atlas2

[birdy 0]

still bollox and your an x copper . what a cunt

Yes, an ex copper, and like the millions of ex,present and future coppers throughout the world, proud to have served my community and proud in the knowledge that taking a scum bag off the streets may just have stopped someone from becoming a victim of crime.

People like you are the scum of the earth, calling coppers cunts and thank fuck in the UK, policing by consent still goes on because the vast majority of decent, ordinary people support the police.

[judd 2]

People like you are the scum of the earth, calling coppers cunts

 

Thats correct they are assholes you would get on well with the Rockhouse bottler he was a screw

[birdy 0]

Thats correct they are assholes you would get on well with the Rockhouse bottler he was a screw

I was also a screw-here in Oz. Alex hates cops and Alex and I despise each other.

[joekicker 53]

..... But hang on a moment, while I'm on the subject of 'Black Kettles'....... Joe will remember Chief 'Black Kettle' He was told by his President that as long as he flew the Flag of the United States 'and' the White Flag from the top his tepee he would be right as rain and safe as!

 

Heh. Joe doesn't "remember" that.

 

Actually, I was trying to stick with history within the lifespan of most of our members and their fathers. But no argument with taking it back long, long before that. It only makes the point stronger. The entire rationale (if I can use that term) of al-Qaeda rests on The Crusades. It's a little weird, because they occurred way before there WAS an evil America, but that's their talking point -- that the white western Christians did it first. I don't think "Johnny started it" is all that useful today, but struth there are no clean hands.

 

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[joekicker 53]

Not so sure about pot and kettle. I cant think of any attrocities commited by Scots. However, I dont think they should effect today. And I utterly refuse to pay for any crimes commited before I was born by complete strangers. Its a non argument.

 

Unfortunately, you (specifically and generically) don't get to choose that. "We" are going to pay, says al-Qaeda for example. It is a REAL and vital and present argument. Nothing personal, mind you, but yes, you.

 

Of course you specifically can ignore that, but only if you trust hundreds of others NOT to ignore it and do their best to try to ensure that you don't pay for it.

 

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[soi6 0]

One of my favorite things to do with a Muslim who says they are believers is to ask them about Bahrain.

In the Koran there is a verse that God does not look upon Bahrain, so this is taken literally by many of them.

This means Bahrain is a sin city where what you do doesn't affect your being muslim and they can do anything there.

Casinos, drinking, gambling, women, vices .....all...

 

Now, if God is all seeing then how can he not see what they do there.

 

Fly a plane from a Muslim nation into Bahrain, the guys will be dressed like sheiks and the girls in burka's or less conservative

covering. upon arrival they usually hit the airport bathroom and emerge with women in miniskirts and men in western casual

wear that they could never wear in their country, and go off to a weekend of partying and return to their home in their conservative

dress.

[joekicker 53]

In the Koran there is a verse that God does not look upon Bahrain, so this is taken literally by many of them.

 

Can you point me at that verse?

 

Bahrain a sin city? Compared with Jakarta? Cairo? Pull my other one. For the Arab countries it is, I'll grant that. Sort of like describing Blackpool as a resort when you're talking about the whole world, though.

 

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[villayouth 37]

Yes, an ex copper, and like the millions of ex,present and future coppers throughout the world, proud to have served my community and proud in the knowledge that taking a scum bag off the streets may just have stopped someone from becoming a victim of crime.

People like you are the scum of the earth, calling coppers cunts and thank fuck in the UK, policing by consent still goes on because the vast majority of decent, ordinary people support the police.

 

Pull ya truncheon out your arse & Get a sense of humour

 

chock dee

[soi6 0]

Can you point me at that verse?

 

Bahrain a sin city? Compared with Jakarta? Cairo? Pull my other one. For the Arab countries it is, I'll grant that. Sort of like describing Blackpool as a resort when you're talking about the whole world, though.

 

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I can't point to a verse, an arabic friend of mine mentioned that this was in the Koran, so i always thought it was, here is a link with a discussion of it..

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539219/posts

 

also see here -

 

http://fredfryinternational.blogspot.com/2...c-oddities.html

 

 

scroll down to where it says -

This brings me to the Island-State of Bahrain. It is connected to Saudi Arabia by a bridge. Allah does not see past the bridge. On Bahrain, Muslims, mainly from Saudi Arabia, can pretty much do whatever they want. Smoke, drink, whatever. I was in an Irish bar, and in the room next door, there were a bunch of Saudi men, all dressed in white, sitting in Laz-e-Boys with water pipes next to each chair. They were smoking and drinking and watching two scantily-clad women from the UK dancing on a stage. I bet that Allah would not approve. My boss has told me that Allah cannot see what goes on inside hotels either. Come to think of it, that can be a pretty handy character of a God.

Edited February 10, 2010 by soi6

[joekicker 53]

I can't point to a verse, an arabic friend of mine mentioned that this was in the Koran, so i always thought it was, here is a link with a discussion of it..

 

I don't think these people are LITERALLY saying there is such a verse, but rather winking at the "sin city" of Bahrain. Allah, of course, can see everywhere, but these folks are ... hmmm, joking? that Allah chooses not to see specific sinful and therefore they aren't guilty. Kind of weak, but I (think I) get it.

 

I bet that Allah would not approve. My boss has told me that Allah cannot see what goes on inside hotels either. Come to think of it, that can be a pretty handy character of a God.

 

That's what I think - a light-hearted justification of the good times in Bahrain. If you google "god can't see" you get a lot of similar, playful banter.

 

I appreciate that you took the time to do that. I'd never heard anything like it. It's good to learn.

 

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[judd 2]

Is there any way i can open a topic and not have to see joe it alls fucking rants ?

[joekicker 53]

Is there any way i can open a topic and not have to see joe it alls fucking rants ?

 

Here's another thing you don't know. There's an "ignore" switch you can turn on for any member who's spoiling it for you.

 

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[Obsession 571]

One of my favorite things to do with a Muslim who says they are believers is to ask them about Bahrain.

In the Koran there is a verse that God does not look upon Bahrain, so this is taken literally by many of them.

This means Bahrain is a sin city where what you do doesn't affect your being muslim and they can do anything there.

Casinos, drinking, gambling, women, vices .....all...

 

Now, if God is all seeing then how can he not see what they do there.

 

Fly a plane from a Muslim nation into Bahrain, the guys will be dressed like sheiks and the girls in burka's or less conservative

covering. upon arrival they usually hit the airport bathroom and emerge with women in miniskirts and men in western casual

wear that they could never wear in their country, and go off to a weekend of partying and return to their home in their conservative

dress.

 

Its amazing how primitive muslims thinking seems to be. They seem incapable of updating their beliefs. I saw one imam or whatever arguing with women on Sharia tv in the UK. He was saying they shouldnt drive alone on the motorway from London to a muslim event in Birmingham. But they were saying that these guidelines were for 800 years ago when it wasnt safe for a woman to travel alone. They pointed out that the motorway had cameras and they could lock their car. ...................Or maybe they are just using it to control women