CheshireTom

A couple of weeks time ....... the 25th I think.

I hope Scally, Fruitcase and BigD are setting their clocks ................ http://www.a380delivery.com/

Waccy, Airbus/EADS has had a tough couple of years and I would like to think that we have enough class not too gloat too much now that many of those same issues are arriving on Boeing's doorstep. Let's keep to the positives .......... For starters .......... those orders just keep rolling in ....... I think that order well and truly ensures that Airbus will have a record breaking year as far as orders go, bearing in mind that the Dubai Airshow still has to come next month. As for deliveries, despite the best efforts of Scally etc to convince us otherwise ..... Airbus has maintained its position as the number one producer of commercial aircraft which, given the delay to the 787, it will undoubtedly do so again next year.

Since MM conveniently closed the Boeing is kicking Euro butt thread I'll have to stick the update here .... Airbus seems to be well on its way to breaking 1,000 aircraft orders for the year ........... Just when you thought someone was kicking your butt .... Since the end of September the following additional firm orders have been announced ........ With the A380 being delivered next week, delivery of the others being brought forward, a bulging order book, Power8 restructuring well under way it seems that Airbus and EADS has weathered the storm of the last 18 months or so pretty well. Of course, Scally et al will be crying foul, cheats, can't count etc etc etc ...

BKK Air quote 1.30 minimum connecting time for international to international.

Gerald, If you are saying 2.30 hours between arrival at BKK and departure at DMK I would say that unless you are arriving between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. then forget it. If you are arriving in one of the Euro zone windows (5.30-7 a.m. or 3-4 p.m.) then it could easily take an hour just to get on a gate, get through immigration and collect your bags. An early morning weekday arrival and you could sit at the first toll plaza for 30-40 mins at the best of times. Minimum check-in of 45 mins for the budget operators at DMK and it doesn't give you any leeway at all.

No. The last flight out of BKK is at 19.05.

That maybe so but your claim was that there were no customers for the A350. That wasn't the case, was it? We're well aware of the issues two years ago with ILFC et al. It isn't news to anyone but you. Anyway, back on topic ....... when is the 787 going to fly? Or even be built for that matter?

It may come as a surprise to you but I've read wikipedia. Please highlight where it says no versions of the original 350 were sold. While you're at it you could also highlight where it says Airbus is looking to the EU taxpayer. Just another couple of Walter Mitty moments in the life of BigD methinks.

Gus, There is a liferaft/slide that protrudes into the cabin area in front of row 85. It is a pain in seats 85A and K. The two exit row aisle seats (85C and H) offer the best legroom. That said, it is a 36 seat pitch in the upstairs economy which is as good as it gets with any airline.

It would be helpful if you can post a link to your so-called facts. The original A350 order book is widely available online. Airbus trashed the original at the behest of the likes of Qatar who were not prepared to buy the original but were willing to buy significant numbers of an enhanced version. Which they have. Anyway, is the 787 still going to fly in 2007?

Locked thread? LOL. I would assume that with the A380 being delivered in a week or so and Boeings problems with the 787 mounting by the day that these threads will soon just be seen as US bashing and will follow suit.

BigD, You'd be better off just letting everybody think your daft rather than opening your mouth and confirming the fact. Firm orders and options for the original A350 .........

Got to disagree. It's an absolute joke ...............

Scally, You're sounding increasingly bitter these days. All these delays getting to you? Some folk reckon there will be another slippage in the schedule announced in the next couple of weeks. Considering all those Chinese airlines that are expecting the 787 in time for the Beijing Olympics this doesn't make good reading ........................ 6-month delay seen for 787 delivery By JAMES WALLACE P-I AEROSPACE REPORTER The Boeing Co.'s 787 Dreamliner could be up to six months late, a well-regarded industry analyst warned Friday in a report that sent the company's shares down sharply on Wall Street. Boeing also may be unable to meet its projected 787 production rates, Lehman Brothers analyst Joseph Campbell said in the research note to clients.

Talking about business ethics ........ good article in Newsweek .... Airbus Subsidies Don’t Fly Boeing is justified in its complaints about the government help its European rival receives. Pro or con? Pro: Excessive Lift by Howard Wheeldon, BGC Partners Forty years after the British, French, and German governments signed the historic Memorandum of Understanding creating Airbus Industrie, Europe’s primary commercial aircraft manufacturer should be standing on its own two feet. We base that opinion on the level of global market share the European manufacturer has achieved—and on the fact that, by receiving European government subsidies, both the European Commission and Airbus contravene certain provisions of Article 3 of the Agreement on Subsidies & Countervailing Measures and those of Article 2 of the General Agreement on Tariffs & Trade (GATT). With the Interim World Trade Organization aircraft subsidies report on the specific U.S. case against the EC due on Oct. 24, the WTO should, in our view, set the scene for ending state aid to Airbus. The U.S. complaint against the EC primarily centers on R&D money provided to Airbus that has no real counterpart in the U.S. This so far has amounted to a claimed $15 billion of what the U.S. rightly says is market-distorting launch aid made available to Airbus by four EU member governments (including Spain). Although technically repayable through the aircraft type’s production lifetime, the reality is that no- or low-interest state loans are essentially risk free to Airbus. In a truly competitive and commercial world, one in which Boeing (BA) and Airbus should be playing on a level field, this is a ridiculous state of affairs. Now that Airbus has captured more than 50% of global market share for commercial aircraft, there are surely few in this industry who could disagree that Airbus has come of age. On that basis alone, Airbus should no longer need to rely on any form of state development-funding arrangements. While the separate EC case against the U.S. alleges that Boeing has received $19.1 billion in “indirect” support—from combined Defense Dept. and NASA military research, development, testing, and evaluation purchase—the benefit to Boeing’s commercial aircraft operation is grossly exaggerated and completely misunderstood by the EC. In my view, the case has absolutely no merit, is a poor response to the U.S. challenge to the EC, and is aimed at causing mutually assured embarrassment. Con: Unnecessary Turbulence by David Pritchard, SUNY at Buffalo Boeing cannot criticize the government subsidies that Airbus receives for two fundamental reasons. First, all major commercial aircraft companies receive government subsidies. Second, Boeing received direct government subsidies on the 787 aircraft from the state of Washington ($3.2 billion equates to $3.2 million per production worker) and $1.6 billion indirect Japanese government subsidies from its Japanese partners. The bigger issue in the World Trade Organization aircraft subsidies dispute is not whether Boeing or Airbus receives illegal government subsidies, since they both do; it’s how countries outside the WTO dispute subsidize their commercial aircraft industries. China and Japan both have national industrial policies to develop their commercial aircraft industry and openly fund the development of commercial aircraft. In fact, Canada and Russia have stated publicly that they are funding their national champions, Bombardier and Sukhoi. But you do not see Boeing and its advocate, the U.S. Trade Representative, filing cases against these countries. The current case was filed so Airbus would not successfully launch a competing aircraft to Boeing’s 787 and 777. Although this tactic caused Airbus to delay the funding mechanisms and entry into service for the A350 XWB by several years, it did Airbus a favor. If Boeing would have let Airbus receive its traditional repayable launch aid for the earlier version of the A350 (based on the A330 airframe), this would have kept intact Airbus’ euro-based production sites. Today, the A350 XWB has better technology advancements in all composite airframe and has production moving to a larger base of risk-sharing partners willing to contract in dollars. So who is the winner in this current WTO dispute? Boeing might have won the WTO battle in stopping repayable launch aid to Airbus, but in the long term Airbus won the war by way of having a better aircraft in the A350 XWB.

Le Figaro? Didn't it carry the Lance Armstrong doping allegations? However, the reality is that no-one cares ....................... Market Yawns at EADS Insider Trading Allegations Oct 4, 2007 AviationWeek.com Staff / Paris and London Analysts and investors in EADS are downplaying a Paris newspaper's report that French securities regulators may charge high-level executives and shareholders with insider trading. "We don't think the market really cares," says one London-based analyst, noting that it's the behavior of individuals and not the company itself that's at issue and that it had been known for months that regulators were looking into the matter. Based on the evidence of leaked board meeting minutes, "it may be difficult to conclude that the ultimate impact on share price of events unfolding at the time was fully understood." Furthermore, he notes, many of the executives on the list, including Co-Chairman Manfred Bischoff, CEO Noel Forgeard and director of strategy Jean-Paul Gut, have left. Sandy Morris, another London analyst with ABN Amro, says he is much more concerned about the possible impact over the next 3-6 months from further cost increases arising from the deteriorating dollar and the effect of the sub-prime financial crisis. "The general perception is that there is considerable long-term value in EADS. We think the impact from insider trading will be extremely limited." JPMorgan did not even mention the issue in a new note it issued on Oct. 4, a day after the newspaper report that actually upgraded EADS stock from "neutral" to "overweight."

That should tie in nicely with the guy selling the rabbit hutches.

Want to bet on that? Have a bet on Boeing's 787 arrival A COMPANY in the US has set up a website that will take bets on whether Boeing's 787 Dreamliner will be delivered to its first customer on time. The site, https://bet2give.com/b2g/market/linear/mark...Boeing787onTime, is the brainchild of trading forecasters NewsFutures, who hope to put pressure on Boeing meeting its promised May 2008 deadline. Visitors to the site are able to bet by deciding at what price to buy or sell shares that will pay $1 if Boeing delivers the 787 on time. But the shares will be worthless if Boeing misses the deadline. You could have got 4/1 a couple of days ago although it now looks like its 5/2.

LOL. Why on earth would I want to make four or five economy class trips to Philadelphia? Like most weekends, I'll be dining on Samila Beach again this week. And you? This being forgetful lark is becoming a bit of a habit, is it not? Didn't you have to make a public apology to Hub and I for "being forgetful" a while back? Maybe you should take a trip to the Royal Garden the next time you're in town (just ask any of the locals for directions) ....................

Dearie, dearie me! Will you never learn? Don't tell porkie pies ....................... you only end up looking like an even bigger idiot Thai's A340-500 service BKK-JFK-BKK commenced on 1 May 2005 "Thai Airways Makes Aviation History with First Bangkok-New York Non-Stop Business Wire, May 1, 2005 NEW YORK -- Thai Airways International Public Company Limited flew into the record books this morning when it completed its first non-stop flight from Bangkok to New York." Eight months later ...................................

He makes me chuckle. In one breath he says he won't fly on the first year models and in the next breath he goes on about flying on Thai's A340-500 from JFK.

You'll have to find an airline that doesn't have one of the first 26 off the production line then. Which means that you won't be flying anywhere on an A380 in a year or two.