Toilet strategies for Pattaya

[jackcorbett 2]

One of our favorite subjects here is sex and love, which is as things should be, but what about something that is equally or even more important, which I have never seen discussed at length here, and that is the subject of toilets and what to do when the urge to defecate arises? I think this is a subject that needs to be discussed so that all of us can benefit from the accumulated acumen of this entire group.

 

Once again I’ll be staying at the Sky- Top Guest House–this time from August through October. This is where I have already spent three months, the first from mid October through mid My November, and the last two months from March 6 through June 6th. Here my bathroom will be very small. The tiled floor very gently slopes or at least it does theoretically and there is a drain. There is a small box on the wall which is an on demand hot water heater. The shower head is removable and made of plastic which is attached to a flexible hose or tube. So to take a shower one turns on the tap and lets the water trickle all over one's bod. If I want to direct the water to my feet or whatever I can take the head and hose off the wall and stick it all right up to my foot. The water goes everywhere while collecting onto the floor in a small pool. Most of the excess goes down the drain but the floor is still wet so it will take two or three hours to dry off.

 

Well...what do you expect for a 650 baht room? And that's the largest rooms at 16 bucks a night. The smaller ones are just 450 baht and my monthly rate will be about $416.00 with maid service, etc. I really love it at Sky-Top but we are talking here about shitty experiences, not good ones, so I need to get back to the subject of toilets. So the bad news continues. All the rooms at Sky-Top are like this, and I've seen some high dollar condo units in Jomtien with bathrooms like this. I used to think that the first Thai lady who ever experiences my room will think I'm a cheap low life, but no.....this is just typical for this country. One often has to spend around 50 bucks a night for a hotel room to get Western style showers and tubs. But for fifty bucks one can get a really nice hotel room in Bangkok downtown or something very similar here as well as at upscale resorts such as Phuket. Of course at Phuket one gets extras with the room such as the big wave experience that Hawaiians can only dream about as they venture out on their puny little surfboards.

 

Well...the good news is that the condo I've bought over at Wongamat Residence has two bathrooms, neither of which has showers puddling onto the floor. It's all European stuff which is to be expected since the company I'm dealing with is German, not Thai. But the place won’t be completed until November.

 

There is one particular Pattaya bathroom I want all my male friends to experience sooner or later. (I'm going to get them all next time they visit). There is a wonderful restaurant right on Beach Road with outdoor seating only--now this is the kind of ambience I like. I'm still not tired of it yet some of my friends only want Western style el crappo high priced restaurants that are air-conditioned inside with names such as El Pukko. Anyway, behind this restaurant there is a flight of steps I once wandered up only to find a Thai band playing with around four or five singers alternating that included two gals and with the rest being male. I was the only white person in the place and loved it. They even had these two young Thai guys who were excellent singers jumping all over this large stage as they sung with these modish style haircuts. I called them then and will continue to call them the Thai Beatles.

 

And then comes the big bathroom experience. First I have to go down a flight of stairs and then I enter the bathroom. As I take a leak in the urinal one of the two male attendants inside asks me if I want a massage from him as I'm pissing.

 

Then there's the Thai boxing ring area. Actually, there are three of them. But this one's my favorite. The main drag is Walking Street because there must be 30 go go bars and diskos on this street alone and it's only a few blocks long plus all the beer bars, restaurants, etc. Beach Road which is a one way heading South becomes Walking Street. This portion of Beach Road does not allow any cars or motorbikes on it after 7 p.m.--hence the name Walking Street.

 

So here you are traveling in the pickup bed of the baht bus you just hailed down Beach Road with the ocean on your right. The baht bus and all other traffic comes to a large obstacle in the middle of the road. There the baht bus you are riding in must turn to the left at a 90 degree angle where it proceeds a single block to 2nd road, another one way street going the opposite direction to the north. All the baht buses make a circle and now go back North along 2nd road. Well, this is where you get off to go on foot up Walking Street with all the other white people who like you want to gawk at everyone else walking around. And just as you go past the obstacle stopping traffic from going up the street any further there is a large complex of bars to your immediate right. Inside there are more than a dozen very small bars with anywhere from four to eight girls working as bartenders in each one. This whole complex is completely open to the street being not much more than a large roof under which lots of people congregate as they watch the events unfolding in the ring from whatever watering hole has managed to latch onto them.

 

Well....you walk into this complex and as you proceed through this open air mall of small bars there are lots of women calling out to you..."Come my bar." But you can see the ring from Beach Road--Walking Street. And in that ring is a continuous exhibition of Thai kick boxers beating the crap out of each other. Once in awhile they even have little boys whaling away at each other. There is no cover charge so the boxers, particularly whoever has just won his match, goes through the crowd to ask tips out of hapless white suckers like you who I will now refer to as Falang which is Thai for European, American, Aussie two legged creatures.

 

But the real fun starts when you have to take a crap. In the back of this complex there are a couple of stalls. One has the hole in the floor you can shit into. There is a woman in front of these two stalls you purchase your toilet paper from for just 5 baht (around 10 cents) and that's just what you get, a supply amounting to the size of a large leaf. And they even have classes in Pattaya teaching how to get this leaf size supply of toilet paper to cover the whole butt. Well first time I was watching Thai boxing and I had to take a shit, I never saw the toilet paper girl working there. It was only when I was sitting solidly on the crapper that I noticed the bucket lying on the floor next to me with the hose next to it coming out of the wall. I suppose this is for the real professional crappers most likely the Thais who probably wipe with their hands which they then wash off with the hose or from the bucket. I am not sure what technique they use although apparently it does work.

 

If you are like me and eating Thai food twice a day or more while refraining from eating Western style food that will plug you up, and here I mean Thai food that is hot, you will be shitting like a mongoose. So it is important to always be aware of the condition of your bowels whenever you go out. So if I go out to Walking Street I know I have a friendly zone in the Thai boxing area of bars whenever I feel the explosion to be imminent. I know for example that the toilet paper girl will be there and that the toilet facilities are just despicable enough so that there will not be too many using them plus I know that while I am taking my crap no one will suddenly come up behind me and start massaging my shoulders.

 

Up the street about two or three blocks is 'Living Dolls Showcase" and there I know they have a decent toilet, plus I know exactly where it is and how many steps it is from my table just in case I'm really in a hurry.

 

But two thirds of the way back to the Sky Top Guest House where I'm staying are Sois 7 and 8 where there are tons of bars and restaurants. One of my favorite girls works at Sexy A Go Go, so I"ve had the opportunity to use the toilet there fairly often. You go into the toilet and immediately notice that there is simply a row of four or five stalls and before you get to these there are a couple of wash basins for washing one's hands. The best thing about this place is the great social opportunities to meet lots of petty women working there right after taking your crap while you are washing your hands together.

 

Now I don't know if you guys are like me, but i get a little embarrassed taking a crap with people of the opposite sex around and the reason is one never knows what kinds of sounds one is likely to be making. Such sounds can be embarrassing and certainly are not conducive to the mating ritual--for me anyway although they might be for some. The good thing about Sexy A Go Go is the music inside this club is so loud that Trendy Toilet sounds cannot possibly be overheard above the loud speakers in the club.

 

Well, by now I've gotten very used to the main entertainment areas of Pattaya now. After all, in the past year I've spent 3.5 months here. So even now while I type I have a map indelibly etched into my mind of this main drag of say a quarter mile wide by 2 miles long and where my favorite shitter friendly toilets are in case I suddenly get the irretrievable urge. But that's for the most part to the South of Sky-Top. To the north is another matter. About 1/2 mile North along Second Road is the Big C Shopping Center. It has a very large and capable bathroom. Across the street there are six outdoor bars just above sidewalk level and just around the corner from them are two small bathrooms, one for ladies, the other for men.

 

But the condo I just bought is around a mile and a half north of all this. And it is this mile and a half that I will call the unknown or danger zone. In fact, the first time I wanted to look over the condos before I actually bought one of them, I decided to take a long walk there instead of doing something smart like taking a taxi. After reaching the Big C Shopping Center I must have walked about two thirds of the way there when the defecatory urge started to hit me. I had passed lots of beer bars that were just starting to open that I had never been to and restaurants I had never experienced. It was then that I thought of the worse sort of things that could happen to me while experiencing an unknown toilet.

 

For instance, just a hundred yards from the six bars I mentioned across from Big C there is a number of open air beer bars where there are a large percentage of lady boys working. These are guys dressed like girls, and some of them are so good at imitating women that you really can't tell the difference. Some go so far as to have their penises removed, have breast implants and take hormone shots. But most of them keep their penises and actually have regular girlfriends when they are not working. There just happens to be lots of Germans and other Europeans, not to mention a few Americans, Aussies, New Zealanders and even Japanese who prefer this sort of thing.

 

So I can just see myself while squatting comfortably on an unknown toilet only to have a lady boy come in to say: "Want me to massage your penis while you shit? It really helps with constipation."

 

So I turned back and never saw the condos that day, making it barely in time to the Big C complex and the zone friendly toilets there to unleash the contents of my last meal.

 

So as time goes on I will have to explore the toilet facilities of this northern unknown zone. But to those reading this, there really is no escape. It really is not the water here because I've been drinking only bottled stuff. And I have noticed that most of my Thai lady friends are constantly rushing off to the toilet which leads me to conclude that it's all in the food. So I decided to experiment upon myself upon my return to the U.S. I started making Thai food for myself twice a day. I bought some fish sauce at an Asian food store over in St. Louis off of South Grand and a supply of hot peppers, the kind they use in Thailand, long skinny peppers that are red, green, and orange all mixed together. So guess what I found out? I found out that I could keep my bowels acting up here in the U.S. exactly the same way they do in Thailand.

 

So I am thinking of making some money once I move into my new condo in Pattaya. I will produce and sell my own map of Pattaya and on this map I will list a sizeable number of establishments that have restrooms that I will call "friendly free fire zones". This is something every real tourist is going to want. As for those falang tourists who frequent the types of restaurants they find back in their home countries, I only have this to say, and that's "Don't bother. May your shit still accumulate in hard large balls."

 

Any thoughts or experiences anyone wants to share on this most important subject?

Edited June 14, 2005 by jackcorbett

[Emil 0]

Well...what do you expect for a 650 baht room? And that's the largest rooms at 16 bucks a night. The smaller ones are just 450 baht and my monthly rate will be about $416.00 with maid service, etc.

Jack,

 

You need to get out and look at more hotels around Pattaya. This past December I was staying at a hotel around 2 years old that had the shower/tub combination, large room, large frig, balcony and swimming pool for 12,000 ($300) baht a month. Water and electricity totaled about another $25.

[BigDUSA 71]

When I stay at Sky-Top and I will be there from 14 October till..... When I shower I always leave the door open when I finish. Floor dries quickly. I know my way around Pattaya as I travel from one of the 6 beer bars Hub says I go to. I know where to stop for a quick dump.

 

How the ...... does he know you only go to 6 count em 6 beer bars? I have a shadow that follows me around. Right Hub.

 

Emil,

 

Where is this hotel? Cheap Charley likes a wide variety of cheap hotels to choose from.

Edited June 14, 2005 by BigDUSA

[sabaidii2 171]

Bravo! Bravo!

 

A shitty subject, but well covered.

[Emil 0]

Emil,

 

Where is this hotel? Cheap Charley likes a wide variety of cheap hotels to choose from.

The name of the hotel is The Holiday Mansion and is located on a soi south of Pattaya Klang that runs between Soi Buakaow and 3rd Rd, they had other rooms that were smaller for 9 and 10 K per month. Cheap charlies will also like the prices in this area for the internet (less than 1/2 a minute), laundries and food. This is also a prime area for where the TGs live so if one can get out of their bed in the afternoon you will run into some before they head to work and take them back to your hotel for a swim.

 

Even cheaper is a new place that opened 2 month ago near Carrefour that was charging 5300 per month + utilities but no pool.

Edited June 14, 2005 by Emil

[jackcorbett 2]

Emil.....I could price shop and possibly get an even better deal than Sky-Top. I do get a fridge, a microwave, dishes, etc for my money and the room I get at 650 baht is more like a small apartment as I have a bedroom with a curtained off door with a separate living room. My friend who often stays at Sky-Top while I'm there is a real computer guru. We worked with the owner and managed to put a wireless link in his computer network in the Internet cafe downstairs, then worked out a financial arrangement where we both paid him a weekly flat fee. With this in place we were able to get online with our laptops right from our rooms. So imagine me sitting in my living room at Skytop with my laptop on a little table before me. I have a microphone headset plugged in/or out when I use the laptop's built in microphone and speakers. And I've got Skype downloaded on this laptop so that I can call other computers in the U.S. or telephones for just 2 cents a minute. And there I am chatting away with my U.S. friends and then I put this very cute Thai girl I've been seeing on with my pals. All pretty slick and the THai girl enjoyed laughing it up with my U.S. friends as she used the laptop as a telephone.

 

Speaking of the owner, I have to say I really like Pete Long, the Australian who owns Skytop. Pete lent me one of his suitcases which I filled up with my stuff the night before I left Pattaya. After all, I was coming back in just three months so we both figured, "Why should I haul this stuff back to the U.S. only to haul it back to Pattaya, when I'll be living there full time in just three months." I cannot count the times that Pete and I have gone beer bar or go go bar hopping together. I've also taken professional quality pictures of several of my Thai girlfriends. I get 30 by 20 inch prints done by Kodak in the U.S. and have sent a couple to Pete at Skytop which he has then been good enough to hand deliver to the Thai girls I've taken them of. He's done this and many other personal favors for me. Not only is Pete a great guy, and a source for excellent advice, but he's also hilarious to be around.although some of my Thai girlfriends might not always agree with this last assessment due to the often merciless ribbing he often doles out to them.

 

And through Pete I've also become good friends with Greg who owns Greg's kitchen a few doors down from Sky-Top. Greg's Kitchen along with his other restaurant Sunset Cafe have become two of my favorite eating spots in Pattaya whether for dinner or breakfast. I'm the guy by the way who shot the pictures for Greg that he is using for his outdoor menu. Anyway, I mentioned that I just bought a condo at Wongamat Residence. Before I put down my initial deposit, both Pete and Greg accompanied by his Thai wife, Som, were good enough to go with me to inspect the condo development and to meet the developers, two Germans, Helmut and Achim. This was on two separate days. Both men were very impressed by the condo development and the two German men and gave me big thumbs up---"Buy it. We Would".

 

The advice I get from both men on women and a whole variety of other subjects I cannot even begin to put a price on. Not to mention Som's advice as well.

 

So Emil---for me at least, this is no longer a money issue. I feel Sky-Top gives good value for the money. I haven't even seen the 450 baht rooms and that would probably work out to around 12,000 baht per month. The fact that I've become good friends with several very high quality people while staying there (one of my good friends I met in Sky-Top's Internet Cafe). is priceless.

Edited June 15, 2005 by jackcorbett

[jackcorbett 2]

Sabaidii2---Thanks. Not covered well enough. Scatologically speaking the richness of this subject cannot be underestimated nor its great depth. We need a lot more opinions. For instance, what's the name of that go go bar upstairs off of Walking Street---"Heaven's Door"..well something like that. Place looks like white pillows inside. I never did see a bathroom in that place and couldn't help thinking how helpless I felt considering I"d eaten Thai food for breakfast, then again for dinner and then my date had just stuffed some Thai food off the street into my mouth. Sometimes the fuse leading to the bomb is far too short for comfort. i

[Emil 0]

Jack,

 

My reply was in response to your comment that one usually has to spend $50 to get a shower/tub combination. I wanted to let you and others know that you can find them for as low as $20 and they are not dumps. If you would have mentioned that you were staying there because of friends and internet in your room I wouldn't have posted.

[jackcorbett 2]

No problem, Emil. First time to Pattaya I was with a tour that stayed at Royal Twins Palace and the Grand President in Bangkok. Second trip to Thailand went it alone but wound up for a weekend in Phuket with a couple Thai girls and my pal. Most of these places were around 50 bucks a night but from its web site it looks like Royal Twins Palace is currently around 1300 baht. Never really looked for anything else between trips one and two when my buddy put in for us online with Sky-Top---after we arrived in Pattaya that is although I did find a few places online.

 

Oh well, all places I mentioned had bathrooms downstairs that come in handy during untrendy toilet bowl rushes.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The fact that I've become good friends with several very high quality people while staying there (one of my good friends I met in Sky-Top's Internet Cafe).  is priceless.

Didn't one of the "high-quality" guests at Skyslops murder a barowner up the road not so long ago?

Edited June 15, 2005 by CheshireTom

[jackcorbett 2]

The murderer did kill Jimmy who owned the corner bar a few doors down. Pete, however, had already kicked the killer out. In fact there had been an altercation between Pete and this Irishman. I can't remember the exact story but the Irishman had threatened Pete with a crazed look in his eyes while making a gesture with his hand across his throat signifying he would cut Pete's throat. But at this time of the night there is often a member of the tourist police sitting inside Skytop. So Pete put his hand in front of his face in such a way that his hand mimicked a revolver. And Pete gestured with his face while making a sound as if a gun was going off and someone was shooting the Irishman. Then Pete pointed at the police officer as if to warn the man: "Don't fuck with me. The police are my pals and they are right in my backyard." So the Irishman left in a hurry and it wasn't long afterwards that he knifed his partner in the bar a few doors down.

 

Be assured that the tourist police are right next door from Skytop. I've found the guys in uniform to be nice fellows....just average everyday congenial sorts. Nice to have them around and a real plus insofar as the safety of the guests at Sky-Top but obviously their being so close to Jimmy's Bar did not dissuade one owner from killing the other.

 

Obviously Pattaya is a mixed bag of people, both the Thais and the falang. There's a lot of excitement here and a certain amount of danger here no matter where you go, but let's put all this into perspective for a moment.

 

For 23 years I lived on a farm here in the U.S. Five miles in one direction is Farmersville, IL with a population of 600. Eight miles in the opposite direction is Raymond, IL where I still do most of my banking. Population is 900. Because of the excellent black dirt of the farms here the people are relatively affluent. For the most part their values are high and the degree one places trust in one's fellow man here is pretty high.

 

Nevertheless....just a few years ago two guys came off the highway and went into one of the service stations in Farmersville. When an attendant came up to them they shot him in the throat. When the manager on duty, Greg heard the shot, he came out of the office and was instantly shot in the head. Greg is the guy who used to change the oil in my car and was the brother of the wife of one of my best friends.

 

In the same year in the opposite direction just three miles from Raymond the gas station attendant was shot in the head early in the morning. No one knows who killed him or why.

 

A few years later, there was a ruckus in one of the Farmersville Taverns. Guys had come in from a nearby town spoiling for a fight. One of the guys had a large hunting knife on him. There was a big fight that migrated outdoors. The owner of the knife wound up very dead pickled with his own knife which ended up in the toilet. The bartender on duty who was very much involved in the fracas is one of the guys reponsible for working on our family's grain handling equipment and bins.

 

When I first moved to the farm, I went to a party at my cousins' house in Raymond. I had a few with one of their best friends. ONe week later he was dead, shot by his own pistol. Somehow it came down as a suicide but my cousins swore he had been murdered. Somehow after he had supposedly shot himself in the head, he had taken his own gun apart. I don't know how they ever explained that. There had been several individuals in the house a t the time he had supposedly shot himself.

 

My next door neighbor, Kermit, the father of my best friend wound up killing himself with a 12 gauge shotgun in a field my family owns because he had emphesema and didn't want to die in the hospital prefering instead of going out proud with his boots on. Thirty years before this, Kermit had cut down a man who had hung himself in our farm operations main grain facility. This man and his brother had been farming our family's ground.

 

That's the kinds of things that have been going on in the sleepy agricultural community I farmed in for 23 years. Lesson to be learned from all of this is--life is terminal.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The murderer did kill Jimmy who owned the corner bar a few doors down. Pete, however, had already kicked the killer out. In fact there had been an altercation between Pete and this Irishman. I can't remember the exact story but the Irishman had threatened Pete with a crazed look in his eyes while making a gesture with his hand across his throat signifying he would cut Pete's throat. But at this time of the night there is often a member of the tourist police sitting inside Skytop. So Pete put his hand in front of his face in such a way that his hand mimicked a revolver. And Pete gestured with his face while making a sound as if a gun was going off and someone was shooting the Irishman. Then Pete pointed at the police officer as if to warn the man: "Don't fuck with me. The police are my pals and they are right in my backyard." So the Irishman left in a hurry and it wasn't long afterwards that he knifed his partner in the bar a few doors down.

 

Be assured that the tourist police are right next door from Skytop. I've found the guys in uniform to be nice fellows....just average everyday congenial sorts. Nice to have them around and a real plus insofar as the safety of the guests at Sky-Top but obviously their being so close to Jimmy's Bar did not dissuade one owner from killing the other.

Jack,

 

I'm not sure what Hicksville, USA has got to do with Pattaya.

 

However, it appears that you have confirmed that not only did one the "high-quality" guests from Skyslops murder a barowner about 20-30 metres down the road but also the owner of the hotel has serious altercations with his guests. (He wasn't a co-owner or partner in the bar BTW, just a customer.) As for the proximity of the Tourist Police .......... they didn't do Brendan the barowner much good, did they?

 

I am sure you are sincere in recommending the Skyslops to other boardies but it would be interesting to know what other hotels you are comparing it to.

 

Tom

[soi two 1]

Hi Jack,

 

I enjoyed reading your review of toilets in Pattaya. I agree that the toilets in Big C are top quality and have used the facilities there several times.

 

I know well the place you mentioned on Soi Diamond. There is actually a toilet there, as you approach the door at the top of the stairs there is a corridor beside it, if you go down there you will find a toilet the girls use. There is also a public toilet down by the entrance. I can barely remember but I think you walk past the hello girls, you pay 5 baht to use this one. If you are going for a substantial bowel movement this one affords more privacy. The Aussie owner is a great guy there and I'm sure he'll sort out the toilet facilities. (I was last there in November.)

 

The beer bars past Big C, yes there are a few lady boys in this bar area. I have used the toilet in this complex and thought it was basic but OK. I would use it again.

 

Cheers

Edited June 18, 2005 by The Barbarian of Soi 2

[jackcorbett 2]

Cheshire Tom......Has everything to do with it. Explore in depth just about any locale and you will find skeletons in the closet with various incidents of violence scattered around. I used what you refer to as Hicksville, U.S.A. as my example 1. Because I am intimately familliar with it and 2. Because of its startling difference to a thriving city such as Pattaya. Using L.A. as my example wouldn't begin to get the point across. You would just toss it off as another violence filled city. One cannot argue much with my using a stolid farm community as my example.

 

Your use of quotation marks around "high quality guests" shows you wish to poke fun at those staying at Skyslop (not Sky-Top) as the rest of us call this guest house. Do you mean to call me a low life, or my pals? Or are you refering to those who are not my pals or those I don't know? And your pointing out that the owner of Sky-Top nearly got into a serious altercation with the murderer as further ammunition for why you apparently do not like Sky-Top and seem to wish turning others against this guest house tells me that you would condemn any man who stands his ground against those threatening violence against him.

 

Okay....I've gotten into several fights in my adult life. I tried to walk away from each one. And then I put the guys down. But according to your argument my home would be a very bad place for someone to visit simply because I got into some rather brutal altercations with those threatening violence against me.

 

So come on, Cheshire Tom, the world awaits your answer over why you really seem to dislike Sky-Top so much. We won't tell anybody. Promise we won't. Did you stay at Sky-Top and not pay your rent thinking Pete wouldn't make you pay?

 

P.S. One more thing. I do not advise you to go into U.S. rural areas calling people hicks. It will surprise you how short of a time you will remain on your feet.

Edited June 16, 2005 by jackcorbett

[BigDUSA 71]

Jack,

 

Don't bother with this guy he has a hard on for me and any chance he gets he will in his juvenile way trash Sky-Top. Notice how he uses the slur Skyslops. I have the feeling mentally and emotionally he's still about 13. He's so lame he goes thru my previous post hoping he will trip me up. He even made up a story that he inspected Sky-Top and supposedly he did this when I was staying there. He didn't go there as he doesn't want to hook up with me. Sad kind of guy...........

 

One may ask why he wouldn't want to meet me. Since my daughter was 6 y/o I've taken her on may trips around the world on what I call Dad & daughter trips. Just the two of us as Mom stayed home. She would do Mom & daughter also. This guy in a sly way alluded that I was fucking my daughter.

Edited June 16, 2005 by BigDUSA

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Jack,

 

I've no problem with Skytop - simply balancing out some of the oft-repeated, exagerrated remarks and reviews that a couple of folk make about the place.

 

Firstly, it was you that alluded that some of the guests are high-quality, I pointed out that some of them are also murderers. That is a fact, not an opinion.

 

Secondly, you pointed out that the manager has serious altercations and threats of violence with his guests, not me. I merely highlighted your comments. That is also a fact not an opinion.

 

Thirdly, you suggested that the proximity of the Tourist Police is of some benefit to the immediate area. I pointed out that this, unfortunately, was not the case. Again, a fact, not an opinion.

 

I asked what hotel you were comparing Skystop to since I do not believe, relatively speaking, that it is particularly good. For your own reasons you chose to avoid that simple question.

 

If I make comments or express opinions about anywhere or anything in Pattaya please feel free to disagree or offer an alternative opinion; just as I will do.

 

Tom

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Jack,

 

Don't bother with this guy he has a hard on for me and any chance he gets he will in his juvenile way trash Sky-Top. Notice how he uses the slur Skyslops. I have the feeling mentally and emotionally he's still about 13. He's so lame he goes thru my previous post hoping he will trip me up. He even made up a story that he inspected Sky-Top and supposedly he did this when I was staying there. He didn't go there as he doesn't want to hook up with me. Sad kind of guy...........

 

One may ask why he wouldn't want to meet me. Since my daughter was 6 y/o I've taken her on may trips around the world on what I call Dad & daughter trips. Just the two of us as Mom stayed home. She would do Mom & daughter also. This guy in a sly way alluded that I was fucking my daughter.

Denny,

 

 

Why is it that you are you so sensitive to alternative opinions about Skytops? Any neutral observer would think that you had an interest in the place.

 

If I have ever alluded to what you suggest, please report it to the Monitors to deal with as appropriate. If you want to discuss it further please PM me or post in the Members' Area.

 

Tom

[jackcorbett 2]

Cheshire Tom----Hey I think I remember you. You must be that German claiming he was a doctor to the Sky-Top girls hoping he could get out of paying his bill. You were hilarious man, running around the Sky-Top Internet cafe threatening the night girl, Nunn , that you would go to the police and that she would lose her job there. Noisy but still funnier than a ground hog taking a dump.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Cheshire Tom----Hey I think I remember you.  You must be that German claiming he was a doctor to the Sky-Top girls hoping he could get out of paying his bill.  You were hilarious man, running around the Sky-Top Internet cafe threatening the night girl, Nunn , that you would go to the police and that she would lose her job there.  Noisy but still funnier than a ground hog taking a dump.

Jack,

 

Fire away mate ......... I take it that you don't disagree then.

 

It's nice to see though that you have lighlighted yet another of the high-quality folks that hang around Skytop. Murderers and mad German doctors ......... it takes all sorts, I suppose. Thanks.

 

Tom

Edited June 16, 2005 by CheshireTom

[jackcorbett 2]

Herr Doctor--You forgot the Lady Boys writing e-mails at the Sky-Top Internet Cafe to their boyfriends back in Falangland for money to help sick buffalo. Not to mention all the beautiful bar girls at the computers.

 

Made my position very clear--I like the place and find its owner to be a terrific guy. All those bars just fifty feet from Sky-Top that were open during my last October--November visit will soon be back if they aren't already. Great opportunities for meeting luscious titallating babes here. When you consider one is within a half mile of Big C to the North, one half a mile from Topps to the South, 1.5 blocks from Soi 6 and all those short time bars there, not much more than 1/2 mile from Soi 7 and 8 and the bar girls there, 1 block from the Grand Sole Hotel where the Saturday Expats meetings are held, a couple blocks from International Hospital, you will find Sky-Tops location to be hard to beat.

 

Herr Doctor--I think you are bitter just because Pete won't let you back in for non payment of your bill.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Jack,

 

Herr Doctor? You really do need to brush up on your German, mate.

 

I appreciate you obviously like the place. The fact of the matter is that I don't rate it at all. So why all the personal shit simply because I don't agree with you?

 

As for location, why don't you just say it's a one mile round-trip to the supermarket?

 

I will concede that the bars next door were quite smart although I'm not sure I would want the sound of their competing sound systems outside my window. The only problem was they were also empty and last time I noticed at least one of the front ones had been converted into a rather posh garage.

 

Tom

[jtiger 9]

Why all this bickering about a simple guesthouse? I personally like SkyTop. It's more like going to live with friends who have a big place in Pattaya than going to a hotel. It doesn't take long to get to know the staff and for them to know you.

And for me the internet access at SkyTop is critical as it allows me the freedom to leave the US and to keep the business alive in my absense.

 

I understand that the bars next door have reopened (so no more posh garage). The photo to the left (below my name) was taken at the bar next to SkyTop about 9 months ago.

[sam007 2]

Jack, this could certianly be an important issue to discuss but not at this length.

[BigDUSA 71]

Denny,

 

If I have ever alluded to what you suggest, please report it to the Monitors to deal with as appropriate. If you want to discuss it further please PM me or post in the Members' Area.

 

Tom

Your not so stupid as to directly say I was fucking her as this would have brought the wrath of the owners of this forum down on your head. For this I don't need the moderators to deal with you because I will get a great deal of enjoyment when I see you again. I'm going to VERBALLY ABUSE you when I see you next trip. We are in town during the same time.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Your not so stupid as to directly say I was fucking her as this would have brought the wrath of the owners of this forum down on your head. For this I don't need the moderators to deal with you because I will get a great deal of enjoyment when I see you again. I'm going to VERBALLY ABUSE you when I see you next trip. We are in town during the same time.

Denny,

 

You know more than me if you know when I'll be in town next. It could be as little as four weeks or as much as four months depending on how quickly my house move goes but I'll make sure I let you know either way.

 

You seem to be a more than a little upset that I don't agree with your assessment of the Skytop. It's not as if you have an interest in the place or anything, is it?

 

Tom