The Hell Club Experience

[Cerberus 97]

Hi Mont,

Please point out the abusive post for me, I seem to have missed it.

 

It was on another thread to this one, and was removed by Admin, the thread was then closed.

 

In keeping with the board Admins instructions/advice regards this matter, I personally am not prepared to post a copy of it.

 

Regards,

 

Cerberus

[touristman 1]

It's good to see this in the Business Forum where it belongs.

 

I must say that i prefer a bar and some social interaction, and then the porn star experience (G.F.E.'s offer this too you know!), and then back to social interaction (if i want) rather than the somewhat cold and clinical mechanics of the 'eden / hell club' model.I guess that i want more than sex with a brothel prostitute, for me that is a big aspect of what makes Thailand different and better than other countries.

 

For newbie Boardies i would recommend the somewhat prestigious 'Eden' experience in Bangkok.It's a famous place in a famous area of Bangkok and a good notable experience to, at least, cross of the list.

 

I did intend to give Hell Club a go initially, but i pass Hell Club most days and still honestly haven't seen an attractive lady there yet.Same when i popped my head in.At the prices charged, it's just not anywhere near value-for-money IMO.Even when i was a tourist here (or anywhere for that matter) i never overpaid handsomely for anything just because i could or because i was on holiday, that's just stupid IMO.............so i gave, and will give, Hell Club a miss.

 

If i see a noticable change in the attractiveness of the ladies then i may well reconsider, but i understand their market is a niche and wish Hell Club good luck in a much more competitive market than Bangkok.

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Hello,

 

The Gang's all here.

 

 

 

Those were prophetic words, papillion (or a call to action on your part?) One more of your chums in this thread and you'll have four of a kind.

 

Or maybe you count two of them only as the jokers in the deck?

 

Evil

 

[Beelzebub aka Jacko 0]

Due to the fact that the water festivities have already started in Pattaya & many customers do not wish to get drenched, The Hell Club is offering a pick up service to enable you to get to the club unscathed. For out calls we are also delivering the girls ourselves so that they won't be be soaked when they arrive, we are offering this from now until the 17th, we will be closed on the 18th & 19th, just call us on 038 720 739.

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Due to the fact that the water festivities have already started in Pattaya & many customers do not wish to get drenched, The Hell Club is offering a pick up service to enable you to get to the club unscathed.

 

 

 

Just one more example of the unique services the Hell Club offers to its customers as it brings a totally new standard of excellence to Pattaya. Happy Songkran to everyone, customers and staff alike, at the Hell Club.

 

Evil

 

[rockinjerry 2]

Have said before that I have a definite interest in Hell Club as I have never been to either Eden or Hell Club.

 

But, it would also depend on the attraction of the ladies for me. If I found them to be average-Pass! And, beauty is in the eye-Yadda, Yadda.

 

However, I will definitely check it out next trip!

 

Jacko, what hours are you there? Been a few years since I've seen you. Last time was when you managed Hooty's, as I recall.

[Beelzebub aka Jacko 0]

Hi Jerry, I'm there 1:00pm until midnight. looking forward to seeing you again.

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

.At the prices charged, it's just not anywhere near value-for-money IMO.

 

It's nice to see a kinder, gentler touristman. I'm happy my posts have had such a persuasive (and positive) effect on you.

 

But I do have to correct one of your misstatements - the Hell Club is exceptional value for money when compared with the establishments that are usually suggested as its competitors. I'll expand on that idea at length in an upcoming post, but not in this thread.

 

 

 

Evil

 

Edited April 17, 2007 by Evil Penevil

[Tengotodo 52]

I'll expand on that idea at length in an upcoming post, but not in this thread.

 

Oh, Goody.

[Ned Kelly 148]

It's nice to see a kinder, gentler touristman. I'm happy my posts have had such a persuasive (and positive) effect on you.

 

But I do have to correct one of your misstatements - the Hell Club is exceptional value for money when compared with the establishments that are usually suggested as its competitors. I'll expand on that idea at length in an upcoming post, but not in this thread.

 

 

 

Evil

 

 

Give it a rest Evil,its YOUR OPINION that Hell is exceptional value for money,and its Touristmans OPINION that its NOT anywhere near value for money.

 

Just because his opinion is in total opposition to your view of Hell,does not warrant a reply by you stating that his opinion is a mistatement,and in need of correction by you.He stated it was IN HIS OPINION,so therefore its NOT a mistatement by Touristman,its what he believes.

 

Your continual posts and topics on Hell,i believe are doing this place more harm than help,its a wonder Cerebus doesnt ask you cease your continual diatribe on this and other forums.

 

Ned

Edited April 18, 2007 by Ned Kelly

[papillon 695]

Just wanted to bump this excellent thread back to the top so 'everybody' could see it.

[Cennn3 0]

Well over priced club. Frankly I would never pay those prices. I would prefer to just go to a bar and get two ladies short time for much less money.

[bifcake 0]

Why do you guys get so uppety when it comes to discussions about the Hell/Eden clubs? If you think they're overpriced, then you don't have to frequent them. If you think you can find a better deal elsewhere, then why not let everyone else know where you can get comparable service at a better price? If you don't care to read the threads, then why not just ignore them?

 

I can understand you guys getting upset if the Hell/Eden proprietors were crooks. However, I haven't seen a single post even from the harshest critics that this is the case. Why not just live and let live?

[torrenova 644]

Give it a rest Evil,its YOUR OPINION that Hell is exceptional value for money,and its Touristmans OPINION that its NOT anywhere near value for money.

 

Just because his opinion is in total opposition to your view of Hell,does not warrant a reply by you stating that his opinion is a mistatement,and in need of correction by you.He stated it was IN HIS OPINION,so therefore its NOT a mistatement by Touristman,its what he believes.

 

Your continual posts and topics on Hell,i believe are doing this place more harm than help,its a wonder Cerebus doesnt ask you cease your continual diatribe on this and other forums.

 

Ned

I'd hate to think how many posts he would make if he did have a financial interest in the place. I reckon he'd need his own fucking forum

 

 

Why do you guys get so uppety when it comes to discussions about the Hell/Eden clubs? If you think they're overpriced, then you don't have to frequent them. If you think you can find a better deal elsewhere, then why not let everyone else know where you can get comparable service at a better price? If you don't care to read the threads, then why not just ignore them?

 

I can understand you guys getting upset if the Hell/Eden proprietors were crooks. However, I haven't seen a single post even from the harshest critics that this is the case. Why not just live and let live?

There have been cases in recent years where people who deny any interest in a place (not Hell Club) continually bang the drum far in excess than any rational person would without an interest in a place. Some of those have been found wanting when the truth came out.

 

For sure, throw up an opinion, good or bad. For fucks sake come and slag my places off with abandon if you had a shit time, we owners need all the feedback we can get. However, I would feel embarassed if I had someone singing my praises continually, posting the same stuff over and over again just to push the topic back up the forum. Thats why some get a bit peeved off. End of explanation.

[Ned Kelly 148]

This is follow-up to Inside the Hell Club , which gave a basic run-down of what first-time visitors can expect. If you've never visited Hell, you might want to check out the earlier thread.

 

Let's assume you have some knowledge of the fine establishment, but want to make sure you get the maximum out your time in Hell. I'll try to give some advice based on the five nights I spent in the company of Hell's belles as well as many, many days and nights with the ladies of Eden, the Bangkok club on which the Hell Club is modeled.

 

I'd also encourage other clients of Hell/Eden to contribute their advice and experiences as well. Each of us has his own particular twist on things and your individual approach may suggest some tips to a another hobbyist.

 

 

Understanding the Hell Club Concept

The Hell Club isn't a gogo or beer bar or a massage parlor. It's a brothel that features a classic lineup and some guys don't feel comfortable with that. They want to be able to grope - excuse me, socialize and flirt with - the girls for the price of a drink. It doesn't work that way at Hell/Eden. What goes on behind closed doors after the punter makes his choice is pretty much unrestricted at Hell/Eden, but prior to that, it's quite staid.

 

Also, there's no such thing as a bar fine at Hell/Eden. A B/F is a fee paid to establishments such as go go or beer bars to take the lady off premises. Fees for sexual services are a separate negotiation direct with the lady. At Hell/Eden, you pay a fee that covers the lady's (or ladies') sexual services. Tipping is customary and appreciated, but tips aren't asked for, nor will the service you get be in any way tied to a tip.

 

I appreciate that many punters prefer go gos or MPs because of the different dynamic involved in choosing a girl. It's an individual choice. What's important is to understand that the Hell isn't a gogo or beer bar and you'll be very disappointed if you act as if it were.

 

In-House Versus Take-Away, Porn Star Versus GFE

I count myself among the bigger fans of Eden, but I also understand that a 90-minute in-house session can feel somewhat contrived and mechanical. I don't experience it that way myself, although I appreciate that others can. There simply isn't enough time to establish real rapport and still have the standard Eden session with all it involves. Once you get to know a few of the girls, that feeling largely disappears and ladies become more spontaneous. But until the girls know you, they feel a bit of pressure to fill every second of the 90 minutes with something sexual. The ladies have told me that if they aren't sucking some guys' dicks 10 seconds after the wash up is finished, those guys will complain the girls were trying to "run out the clock" on them.

 

That type of customer doesn't want any chit-chat, just 90 minutes of intense sex. Also, some guys are adamant about coming at least twice, preferably three or four times. That requires very intense activity on the part of ladies, and again, not much time for small talk. An in-house session is 90 minutes and will never end any earlier unless you want it to. You can come an unlimited number of times at Eden, it's not like the places where if you come once, you are finished.

 

The ladies will normally ask you how many times you want to come. They do that to try to judge how active a session it will be. Obviously a guy who says he wants to come five or six times isn't looking for a GFE, but one who says "once, maybe twice," is probably expecting a slower-paced session that includes more talk and gentle foreplay.

 

It's also a good idea to ask for a lady who speaks relatively good English as your "lead lady." That way you can explain clearly to her what you want. The ladies of Eden are very sensitive to the wishes of customers, but they can't read minds. You have to explain (or show) them what you want. You have to be realistic, though. Ninety minutes doesn't allow for much of a GFE, it's more a porn-star experience. That's why I prefer take-away.

 

The best way to guarantee a mind-boggling two-lady session is to first take one lady overnight, get to know her a bit, then go back and ask her to pick a friend for the two-lady session. Of course, that depends as well on the thickness of your wallet, but what the hell, you're on holiday!

 

The fee per lady for a session outside Hell beginning at 10 p.m. and ending at 6.00 a.m. (overnight takeaway, eight hours) is 3,000 baht. If you want two ladies, the total cost would be 6,000 baht. Again, I emphasize this isn't a barfine. It is the fee for the ladies' services. It is a fixed price and not negotiable. Don't make a fool out of yourself by trying to bargain. What you choose to tip the lady on top of this fee is up to you.

 

Also, what you choose to do during that eight hours is up to you. If you want to take the lady to dinner, go to a bar or club, or head straight back to your hotel room, it's up to you. I've had some really over-the-top sessions (all-nighters with five, four, three ladies in addition to numerous one- and two- lady sessions). It has all been good, VERY GOOD. A lot of fun, joking, going to clubs and bars, then incredible sessions in the sack. The ladies who were deep throat specialists have rocked my universe (and my rocks) in particular.

 

You can read about one particularly memorable overnight session I had with two Eden ladies at Evil and the Angels of Eden, Part 1 and Evil and the Angels of Eden, Part 2

What is the best time to visit the Hell Club?

You'll have the widest choice of ladies if you're there around 12.40 p.m., but the service will be the same whatever time you visit the club. However, it is a popular place and luck plays a role. If don't see anything that strikes your fancy, just say "No thank you, I'll be back later." Or talk to the manager on duty about when the kind of girl you want - age, appearance, special skills, ability to speak English, etc - might be available. But if a lady does catch your eye, choose her immediately or someone else will.

What is the Hell Club policy on tipping?

Tips are always appreciated but never requested. At the end of the session, you're free to tip the ladies whatever you choose.

 

Is it possible to have a session with just one lady?

The in-house sessions at the Hell Club are two (or more) ladies with one man. For take away sessions, it's no problem to select just one lady.

 

After an overnight session, can a lady remain with me past 6.00 a.m?

That's entirely up to the lady. Keep in mind that she has only a few hours in which to go home,and then return to the Hell Club by 1:00 p.m. She may have family or other obligations that prevent her from remaining past 6.00 a.m.

 

Suppose I want a very special session or a service that not all ladies provide. How do I arrange that?

Speak with a member of the Hell management about your wishes before choosing your ladies. That way, you'll be sure that the ladies you select are willing to provide the services you want.

 

Security, Convenience and Satisfaction Guaranteed

While anal and other more exotic services are important to some punters, that's not the biggest reason the Hell Club and its inspiration, the Eden Club in BKK, have become so popular. Top-notch sexual sessions are combined with security, convenience and a guarantee of satisfaction to keep the customers cumming and coming back. Quite simply, Hell/Eden offers a unique experience that hasn't so far been duplicated anywhere in Thailand (or the world for that matter).

 

Bruce, the manager of BKK Eden, estimates that 60% to 70% of Eden's customers are resident ex-pats or business travelers who visit the Club on a regular basis. It's that\niche group which forms the core of Eden's clientele. The "Eden model" (or "Hell model") serves them well and they don't mind paying a bit extra for it, Everything exactly as you want it, no haggling over price, no risk of a disappointing, much less negative, experience. Should you by some chance have a problem, you simply speak to the manager and they'll straighten it out. If you're not satisfied, you don't pay.

 

 

The Hell/Eden experience is particularly good for those of us who value our own time more than a few hundred baht. Here's what I set up several weeks before I visited Thailand in January:

• Jan. 12 (10.00 p.m.) to Jan. 14 (10.00 a.m.) Overnight, then 24/7 session with two ladies from Eden Bangkok
  
• Jan. 14 (10.00 p.m.) to Jan. 19 (1.00 p.m.) Overnight sessions each night with between one and three ladies from Hell Club Pattaya
  
• Jan. 19 (10.00 p.m.) to Jan. 20 (12.45 p.m.) Overnight session with four ladies from Eden Bangkok
  
• Jan. 20 (10.00 p.m.) to Jan. 21 (12.45 p.m.) Overnight session with two ladies from Eden Bangkok
  

These arrangements took me about two minutes to put together (two emails to Marc, a follow-up phone call once I was in LOS). I wanted to visit Hell Club to meet Cerberus and Beelzebub (Jacko) and to say hello to Marc, but I didn't have to. I could have just phoned the Club and they would have sent the ladies to the condo where I was staying. That's what I often do in BKK - the Eden ladies meet me at my hotel room (or a restaurant, nightclub, bar, etc. - where ever is most convenient for me). No wasted time.

 

For me, that's an important part of the Hell/Eden service and in and of itself worth a premium price. I can set things up in advance via email or telephone and be guaranteed the ladies I want. I mostly visit Thailand on a combination of business and pleasure. and have neither the time nor the inclination to search for hours in bars, clubs or on the street for two or more ladies who may or may not give me a satisfactory session.

 

Another very significant factor for me is the fluency in English and social sophistication of the ladies of Eden. Some of them speak English a hell of a lot better than many university educated Thais, several even write excellent English. One year I took an Eden lady with me to a diplomatic reception in Bangkok hosted by the embassy of the People's Republic of China. Because she dressed appropriately, spoke such fluent English and had the social skills to manage a cocktail party setting, everyone believed she was indeed my

assistant.

 

She had had a long-term live-together relationship with a native English speaker and was thoroughly familiar with Anglo culture. The first time I took her to dinner, at the Huntsman Pub in the Landmark, she ordered steak and kidney pie! That was definitely a unique experience - a TG who took a very British dish as her first choice. If that girl had been dealt better cards in the game of life, I'm sure she could graduated magna cum laude from any university in the world. She's summa cum laude at Eden, but with a different set of skills. Other girls at Hell/Eden are similarly skilled in English. Several have even lived in an English-speaking country. I appreciate the fluency some Hell/Eden ladies have in English as much as their sexual skills. Communication is important to me. No matter how good-looking or enthusiastic in bed a girl is, it just doesn't seem right if I can't communicate with her easily. I wish I spoke Thai, but the chances of me having time to learn it are small. Therefore, a P4P provider's ability in English is crucial to me.

 

Does everyone need an escort who can accompany them to a diplomatic reception? Obviously not. But some punters do and for them, Hell/Eden is a great option. That's why Hell/Eden flourishes while others struggle. That will be what makes Hell a success as well – offering options to a niche group that hasn't been previously served well. Eden/Hell provides the service that's wanted with a minimum of hassle at a price the customer is willing to pay.

 

Because I have limited time for mongering during my visits to BKK, I prefer the "sure thing" of the Eden Club. Finding FLers or BGs who perform at the level of an Eden lady is rather rare, much less finding two or more who'll perform together. I don't get that much of a kick "hunting" for ladies on the street or in bars, there's too big a risk for major disappointment. Other guys feel exactly the opposite. They enjoy hunting, that may even be the most exciting part of the experience for them.

 

Moreover, I appreciate the security Eden provides. I like the fact I don't have to hang out with a lot of drunk punters in the bar. While I never expect to have any problems regarding the service at Hell, it's reassuring to know I can take any complaints to Cerberus and Beelzebub, rather than ex-cons with nicknames like Bubba and Cueball or ex-Spetsnaz named Boris and Yuri. I've got no idea what the Thai equivalents of Bubba and Boris would be named, but I'm sure they are just as short-tempered and have the same scars on their knuckles and prison tattoos on their forearms.

 

Evil

 

Now hes preaching on how to have sex with prostitutes in a brothel,lol.

 

Ned

Edited April 19, 2007 by Ned Kelly

[torrenova 644]

I think he missed out which room has which colour paint on the wall !

 

Fuck me, I don't know that much detail about places I own !

[Guest Fatboyfat]

I think he missed out which room has which colour paint on the wall !

 

Fuck me, I don't know that much detail about places I own !

 

Well.. there is a bit of a difference between the building, and what is little more than a "Barshelf with stools around it"

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

However, I would feel embarassed if I had someone singing my praises continually...

 

 

 

torrenova-

 

It's safe to say that is a source of embarassment with which you personally will never be faced.

 

Evil

Edited April 19, 2007 by Evil Penevil

[Cerberus 97]

Apart from the hundreds of posts by interested parties and the thousands of views, we have four main antagonists, and yes I use that word advisedly, who relish spending their time seeking out any thread on the Hell/Eden Club and then trying to denigrate either the poster or one/both clubs.

 

None of these board members have ever used either of the establishments mentioned, but of course know everything!

 

I have taken the time to invite them to come to the club and introduce themselves, so as to give me a chance understand their anger and vitriolic attacks on something they express no interest in.

 

I am aware, that as a group they tend to intimidate some posters, purely as many other posters are here simply to enjoy the board and share/gain information and do not wish to be abused.

 

They have been asked in a civil manner, on multiple occasions that if they are so badly affected by any mention of the Hell/Eden club why not just use the ignore button. The fact that they elect as a group not to simply illuminates their true purpose.

 

Gentlemen, it is you that are becoming boring, as are your constant diatribes and before you start with your name calling, in response to this Pimp from Hell, consider such behavior says more about yourselves than me.

 

Regards

 

Cerberus

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Hello,

 

The Gang's all here.

 

 

 

Yes, papillon's Gang of Four is indeed all here, so it is better to address the ventriloquist than his dummies.

 

Papillon, I know you've ducked every question I've asked you, but maybe you'll answer just one. Why is it so hard for you just to ignore this thread and every other thread about Hell/Eden? I have no problem simply skipping the posts by you and your chums when I encounter them elsewhere on the board. As the posts by the members of the Gang of Four almost never contain anything worth reading, I just pretend they don't exist. If you feel the same way about my posts, if you're not interested in Hell/Eden, why do you even click on the thread, much less bother to post in it? Why not stop all the name calling and ignore the Hell thread?

 

Evil

 

Edited April 19, 2007 by Evil Penevil

[Ned Kelly 148]

Apart from the hundreds of posts by interested parties and the thousands of views, we have four main antagonists, and yes I use that word advisedly, who relish spending their time seeking out any thread on the Hell/Eden Club and then trying to denigrate either the poster or one/both clubs.

 

None of these board members have ever used either of the establishments mentioned, but of course know everything!

 

I have taken the time to invite them to come to the club and introduce themselves, so as to give me a chance understand their anger and vitriolic attacks on something they express no interest in.

 

I am aware, that as a group they tend to intimidate some posters, purely as many other posters are here simply to enjoy the board and share/gain information and do not wish to be abused.

 

They have been asked in a civil manner, on multiple occasions that if they are so badly affected by any mention of the Hell/Eden club why not just use the ignore button. The fact that they elect as a group not to simply illuminates their true purpose.

 

Gentlemen, it is you that are becoming boring, as are your constant diatribes and before you start with your name calling, in response to this Pimp from Hell, consider such behavior says more about yourselves than me.

 

Regards

 

Cerberus

 

Cerebus,

 

I assume your refering to me in the above post,ad if so let me clear up a few of your false assertions.

 

I have used the services of the Eden Club in Bangkok,and i found it to be over rated,mechanical sex and most definitely not worth $3600B.And if you care to read the threads on Eden on the Bangkok tonight forum,there are hundreds of punters who feel the same.

 

I have been into the Hell Club,as i previously stated where i found three or four very plain girls asleep at the rear of the room,and Jacko was at the front of the bar on the left as you walk in typing on a PC,so i walked out.You have said you doubted that i had,which virtually labels me as a liar,mate i dont care if you believe me or not,although my full description of the interior of your club,should have made you realise i had indeed been inside the Hell club.

 

As recently as last week i walked past Hell on at least 7 different occasions,and i witnessed four or five very plain/ugly girls eating out the front,nothing there to give me the slightest urge to investigate any further.

 

This is an open forum,and one of the great things about it is that members can read comments, both positive and negative, about establishments in Pattaya,be they hotels,Go Gos,Bars or whatever and then make up their minds if they wish to patronise these places.

 

As far as having a drink with you goes,why on earth would i bother,i already have plenty of people to drink with in Pattaya and they mainly consist of females,but thanks for the invite anyway.

 

By the way i loved your little Hell Club sticker above the urinal at LD1,nice bit of marketing there Cerebus.

 

Ned

Edited April 20, 2007 by Ned Kelly

[Cerberus 97]

Hi Ned

By the way i loved your little Hell Club sticker above the urinal at LD1,nice bit of marketing there Cerebus.

 

Thank you we thought it was pretty good as well

 

Ned we have crossed posts before and as you well know I have no problem with any reasoned post, by any poster, as you are well aware, even if you do not wish to admit it, there are a few unreasonable ones within the pack.

 

As for the beer, I just like to put a face to the charactors behind the keyboard but fully understand your choice of drinking partners , but hey if you change your mind, you at least know where to find me

 

Cerberus

[touristman 1]

Hello,

 

I really only intended to make the one post on here, but the snide FALSE comments make it very difficult as i see myself grouped in with people i have never met and don't know, and demeaned because of an opinion that i have (through experience) regarding a brothel and the sevice it delivers.

 

I even wished you good luck in my post..........there was nothing made up, this is an open forum and i really object to my honesty being brought into question and me demeaned.

 

Look, i find your concept just plain way overpriced and not very good.That's it, nothing more.

 

Now, i find the people connected to this 'service' to be revoting disgusting people, fundamentally dishonest in debate, sniping and misrepresenting.Look, i would never want to share a drink with you guys........look at your posts and condescension to get a glimpse of why.

 

I don't wish you guys luck anymore, let the cards fall where they will i simply don't care.....................but i want this to be my last post on this subject ever, so please pay me the courtesy of leaving me out of any personal or proxy attacks, i just don't want any part of it.I'll think twice in future about posting about my personal experience on a thread where the concept's owner is involved in the discussion.

[Ned Kelly 148]

Crebus,

 

Heres a tip for you.

 

Unless youre 100% sure that this forum cant be accesed by any Thai authority,i suggest you get Evil to edit his original post and delete the description of the Hell Club as a brothel and any reference to how much you pay a girl for sexual services.

 

Not a smart move by him including these terms in his post including a map, on where to find a brothel in Thailand and how much you pay for sex there.

 

 

Ned

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

OK, three of the gang have checked in, when are we going to hear from the ventriloquist?

 

Evil