Retirement reporting

[Parkwahn 61]

I got my retirement visa today, very easy process.

 

My question is what does the 90 day reporting consist of ? The stamp is until Sept 2012 so I assume I dont get a 3 month stamp ?

 

is there anything to pay at reporting.

 

Cheers

 

Retired.. for the time being

[lovedog100 1,372]

I got my retirement visa today, very easy process.

 

My question is what does the 90 day reporting consist of ? The stamp is until Sept 2012 so I assume I dont get a 3 month stamp ?

 

is there anything to pay at reporting.

 

Cheers

 

Retired.. for the time being

You have to show up every 90 days and fill out a form, and give them a copy of your passport, and rental agreement, or ownership papers. There is no cost, and it goes fairly fast. I've been in and out in under 5 minutes before. The first time you go, go next door, get 4 copies of your passport, and 4 of your rental agreement, You will have them ready for next time. You can go up to 7 days in advance of your report date. If you leave the country, the 90 days starts again the day that you return.

[Parkwahn 61]

You have to show up every 90 days and fill out a form, and give them a copy of your passport, and rental agreement, or ownership papers. There is no cost, and it goes fairly fast. I've been in and out in under 5 minutes before. The first time you go, go next door, get 4 copies of your passport, and 4 of your rental agreement, You will have them ready for next time. You can go up to 7 days in advance of your report date. If you leave the country, the 90 days starts again the day that you return.

 

 

Cheers Lovedog,

[lovedog100 1,372]

Forgot to add,, 7 days late and it's 2,000 baht fine. Not sure if there is a fine for 1-6 days late.

[MM 6,562]

You have to show up every 90 days and fill out a form, and give them a copy of your passport, and rental agreement, or ownership papers. There is no cost, and it goes fairly fast. I've been in and out in under 5 minutes before. The first time you go, go next door, get 4 copies of your passport, and 4 of your rental agreement, You will have them ready for next time. You can go up to 7 days in advance of your report date. If you leave the country, the 90 days starts again the day that you return.

 

I've never had to provide anything other than the copy of my passport pages and the completed form TM-47 available here. I never provided any rental agreement or ownership papers and have never been asked for either.

 

 

 

[lovedog100 1,372]

I've never had to provide anything other than the copy of my passport pages and the completed form TM-47 available here. I never provided any rental agreement or ownership papers and have never been asked for either.

 

 

 

 

It's something new. It's posted on the door to imagration now.

[joekicker 53]

I've never had to provide anything other than the copy of my passport pages and the completed form TM-47 available here. I never provided any rental agreement or ownership papers and have never been asked for either.

 

This thread, and LD's post specifically, is the first I've ever heard of it. Shows to go, I guess, there are NO hard rules about anything in Thailand.

 

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[MM 6,562]

It's something new. It's posted on the door to imagration now.

 

How convenient that they would post it on the door, which is when someone would first see this new requirement.

 

It could take me hours to find my rental agreement....if I could find it at all.

 

If they can add new requirements by posting them on the door at Immigration, I wonder when we'll see anything about this on an official site or a discussion on the internet (aside from this one)?

[Parkwahn 61]

Forgot to add,, 7 days late and it's 2,000 baht fine. Not sure if there is a fine for 1-6 days late.

 

They gave me one year plus 6 weeks I had left on my O Visa, am I right in thinking I need to report 90 days from todays stamp , or indeed if I go a week early does my 90 days go from the register day, or just added to the 90 from todays date ?

[joekicker 53]

How convenient that they would post it on the door, which is when someone would first see this new requirement.

 

Bureaucrats: Halting human advance for 3,000 years.

 

I'm assuming your visa here, but if you go to the district office of your district, you can get a YELLOW book, the foreigners' equivalent of the tapien baan. It's ever so handy in this kind of situation.

 

The "rental agreement" demand post on the door like Martin Luther's complaints about Rome has all kinds of holes. What if you're not renting, just for example? I don't rent. Being able to one-up them with a tapian baan could be very satisfying, actually. Using BETTER bureaucracy back on these folks can make your whole day sometimes.

 

They gave me one year plus 6 weeks I had left on my O Visa, am I right in thinking I need to report 90 days from todays stamp , or indeed if I go a week early does my 90 days go from the register day, or just added to the 90 from todays date ?

 

The 90 days is from the day you entered Thailand, irrespective of your visa. It's the date on your TM6 (the card probably stapled to your passport) that is the decider. Bear in mind your mileage WILL vary, but that's the law.

 

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Edited August 11, 2011 by joekicker

[Parkwahn 61]

Bureaucrats: Halting human advance for 3,000 years.

 

I'm assuming your visa here, but if you go to the district office of your district, you can get a YELLOW book, the foreigners' equivalent of the tapien baan. It's ever so handy in this kind of situation.

 

The "rental agreement" demand post on the door like Martin Luther's complaints about Rome has all kinds of holes. What if you're not renting, just for example? I don't rent. Being able to one-up them with a tapian baan could be very satisfying, actually. Using BETTER bureaucracy back on these folks can make your whole day sometimes.

 

 

 

The 90 days is from the day you entered Thailand, irrespective of your visa. It's the date on your TM6 (the card probably stapled to your passport) that is the decider. Bear in mind your mileage WILL vary, but that's the law.

 

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Thats lucky, so the day I had to leave the country I need to report... I assumed it was 11th August.

 

You have saved me some aggro the visa could have been cancelled

[joekicker 53]

You have saved me some aggro kissing the visa could have been cancelled

 

No, the visa is not going to be cancelled because you didn't report. Worst case, which I've never personally heard of, is a fine of up to 2,000 baht. It probably happens but even that is rare. Some two-bit bureaucrat may scold you too, that's even worse. But you visa won't be touched.

 

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[Parkwahn 61]

No, the visa is not going to be cancelled because you didn't report. Worst case, which I've never personally heard of, is a fine of up to 2,000 baht. It probably happens but even that is rare. Some two-bit bureaucrat may scold you too, that's even worse. But you visa won't be touched.

 

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The visa expires and of Sept 2012, when I report do they give me another traingle stamp ? if so If I were to go in before the end of Sept would I get a further 90 same as an O visa its run out but the triangle has not ? The triangle is the visa

[lovedog100 1,372]

How convenient that they would post it on the door, which is when someone would first see this new requirement.

 

It could take me hours to find my rental agreement....if I could find it at all.

 

If they can add new requirements by posting them on the door at Immigration, I wonder when we'll see anything about this on an official site or a discussion on the internet (aside from this one)?

That's a good question. I didn't know about it until I got there to do mine. In fact, I walked in without reading what was posted on the door. At the desk I was told about it, and told it was posted. I looked on my way out and it was there, in English and Thai, but I hadn't noticed on my way in, or heard anything about it in advance. Who knows how much it will be enforced. I didn't have my rental agreement with me, but had it earlier when I got my new visa. I suggested getting the visa paperwork and I would copy it, he let me slide. They must have some discretion in what is required, I was 6 days early for my 90 day report, so they could have taken a hard line and told me to go get it.

 

With my first retirement visa, proof of residence is required, I told them that I was living in a hotel (true) and couldn't sign a 6 month or 1 year lease on a 30 day visa, it seemed to make sense to them and they let me slide. It used to be that they would take a bill of some sort, as proof of residence. I used my true satellite bill, the only thing in my own name. Now they want a rental agreement, or ownership papers. There was something about papers from company ownership that I took no notice of since it didn't effect me. They may be trying to find information on ex-pats are using dogy company ownerships of land and condo's.

[MM 6,562]

The 90 days is from the day you entered Thailand, irrespective of your visa. It's the date on your TM6 (the card probably stapled to your passport) that is the decider. Bear in mind your mileage WILL vary, but that's the law.

 

 

 

Yeah, I got bitten by that one this last year. My entry into the country on my prior year's visa was Oct 22, 2010. My new visa extension was something like Dec 16, 2010, so I thought (mistakenly) that I should report 90 days after the visa date, since at that time the system knew where I was anyway.

 

On further investigation, I realized (after my 90 days from Oct 2010), that I was outside the reporting guidelines.

 

Sweaty hands and a fear that my hard earned visa would be cancelled, I went to Immigration and found it was cleared up with a mere 2000 baht fine, even though I was about 6 weeks late. My new 90 day period started from the date of the last report too.

 

I'm sure it makes perfect sense to a bureaucrat.

[MM 6,562]

The visa expires and of Sept 2012, when I report do they give me another traingle stamp ? if so If I were to go in before the end of Sept would I get a further 90 same as an O visa its run out but the triangle has not ? The triangle is the visa

 

You don't get any stamps when you report. You just a "Receipt of Notification" form stapled into your passport. It will be replaced when you next report or removed when you leave the country.

 

 

 

[Parkwahn 61]

Yeah, I got bitten by that one this last year. My entry into the country on my prior year's visa was Oct 22, 2010. My new visa extension was something like Dec 16, 2010, so I thought (mistakenly) that I should report 90 days after the visa date, since at that time the system knew where I was anyway.

 

On further investigation, I realized (after my 90 days from Oct 2010), that I was outside the reporting guidelines.

 

Sweaty hands and a fear that my hard earned visa would be cancelled, I went to Immigration and found it was cleared up with a mere 2000 baht fine, even though I was about 6 weeks late. My new 90 day period started from the date of the last report too.

 

I'm sure it makes perfect sense to a bureaucrat.

 

I would have been in the same boat as you , another question if you report with a week left on your retirment visa do you get 90 days more ?

 

From your post regarding getting a chit/voucher my guess would be no ?

[lovedog100 1,372]

The visa expires and of Sept 2012, when I report do they give me another traingle stamp ? if so If I were to go in before the end of Sept would I get a further 90 same as an O visa its run out but the triangle has not ? The triangle is the visa

Do not confuse 90 reporting, with your retirement visa. When your visa expires, you have to apply for a new visa, just like you did for your first one. You don't report for a new visa, you apply for a new visa. You can apply for a new visa 30 days before it expires, and do your 90 day report 7 day before it's due. It's best to go early just in case there is a problem. You have to report every 90 days, unless you leave the country before the 90 days are up, then the 90 days starts again when you arrive back in the country. I have a friend who travels to PI and Cambodia a lot. In three years, he has never been in Thailand 90 days straight, and has never had to file a 90 day report. The 90 day report is only to keep track of you while in the country. I have filed mine in Phuket before. There should be a paper stapled in your passport telling you when to make your 90 day report. If not, there will be after your first report.

 

Keep in mind that if you want to travel and go home, or to another country, you have to buy a reentry stamp, if you are going to go more than once, you will want a multiple entry stamp. My multiple was 3,800 baht yesterday.

 

Yeah, I got bitten by that one this last year. My entry into the country on my prior year's visa was Oct 22, 2010. My new visa extension was something like Dec 16, 2010, so I thought (mistakenly) that I should report 90 days after the visa date, since at that time the system knew where I was anyway.

 

On further investigation, I realized (after my 90 days from Oct 2010), that I was outside the reporting guidelines.

 

Sweaty hands and a fear that my hard earned visa would be cancelled, I went to Immigration and found it was cleared up with a mere 2000 baht fine, even though I was about 6 weeks late. My new 90 day period started from the date of the last report too.

 

I'm sure it makes perfect sense to a bureaucrat.

I had something of the same problem just the other day. My 90 day report date was the 16th, but my visa ran out on the 10th, luckily I looked at my passport on the 9th and caught it. I got a new visa, yet was told that I still had to do the 90 report by the 16th. I did both the same day, as I can report for the 90 report 7 days early. It made no sense to me that after getting a new visa, that I would have to do a 90 report, but it was required. "I'm sure it makes perfect sense to a bureaucrat."

 

No, the visa is not going to be cancelled because you didn't report. Worst case, which I've never personally heard of, is a fine of up to 2,000 baht. It probably happens but even that is rare. Some two-bit bureaucrat may scold you too, that's even worse. But you visa won't be touched.

 

I had a friend that was 14 days late on his 90 day and had to pay 2,000 baht, it scared me, because I couldn't remember when I reported last, I went home and looked and was 20 days late, I was charged the same 2,000 baht.

Edited August 11, 2011 by lovedog100

[Parkwahn 61]

Do not confuse 90 reporting, with your retirement visa. When your visa expires, you have to apply for a new visa, just like you did for your first one. You don't report for a new visa, you apply for a new visa. You can apply for a new visa 30 days before it expires, and do your 90 day report 7 day before it's due. It's best to go early just in case there is a problem. You have to report every 90 days, unless you leave the country before the 90 days are up, then the 90 days starts again when you arrive back in the country. I have a friend who travels to PI and Cambodia a lot. In three years, he has never been in Thailand 90 days straight, and has never had to file a 90 day report. The 90 day report is only to keep track of you while in the country. I have filed mine in Phuket before. There should be a paper stapled in your passport telling you when to make your 90 day report. If not, there will be after your first report.

 

Keep in mind that if you want to travel and go home, or to another country, you have to buy a reentry stamp, if you are going to go more than once, you will want a multiple entry stamp. My multiple was 3,800 baht yesterday.

 

With a multi O, you could stretch it to 15 months by leaving a few days before it expired and returning, getting the traingle and 90 days.

 

From what you have written that cant be done with a retirment ? it appears to run out on the date stated when you get it.

 

On your multi at 3800 can you come an go as many times as you want in the year ?

 

This thread has saved me 2000 baht

 

 

( there was nothing saying when to report just a cisa starting August 11 2011 and ending Sept 2012 the same date my current triangle ends I got on entry on a multi O

Edited August 11, 2011 by Parkwahn

[lovedog100 1,372]

With a multi O, you could stretch it to 15 months by leaving a few days before it expired and returning, getting the traingle and 90 days.

 

From what you have written that cant be done with a retirment ? it appears to run out on the date stated when you get it.

 

On your multi at 3800 can you come an go as many times as you want in the year ?

 

This thread has saved me 2000 baht

 

 

( there was nothing saying when to report just a cisa starting August 11 2011 and ending Sept 2012 the same date my current triangle ends I got on entry on a multi O

With a multiple entry, you can come and go as many times as you want.

[MM 6,562]

I would have been in the same boat as you , another question if you report with a week left on your retirment visa do you get 90 days more ?

 

From your post regarding getting a chit/voucher my guess would be no ?

 

lovedog sort of addressed that with his visa story a couple of posts above this.

 

The answer is no, you don't.

 

If you have a week left, you need to extend your retirement visa, but still have to report 90 days after your last report or arrival in Thailand. They are two separate clocks running for different purposes.

 

 

 

[joekicker 53]

I would have been in the same boat as you , another question if you report with a week left on your retirment visa do you get 90 days more ?

 

We just settled this. It has nothing to do with ANYTHING but your arrival in Thailand. It has NOTHING to do with visas or extensions on visas.

 

You have to report 90 days after you arrived in Thailand. You have to report 90 days after that. You have to report 90 days after that. You have to...... You leave and come back. 90 days after that, you have to report, i.e. when you arrive in Thailand, the 90 days starts -- EACH time you arrive.

 

If you report a week before the 90 days are up, good on you, probably. You'll still have to report by 97 days after that.

 

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[Fondles 94]

How convenient that they would post it on the door, which is when someone would first see this new requirement.

 

It could take me hours to find my rental agreement....if I could find it at all.

 

If they can add new requirements by posting them on the door at Immigration, I wonder when we'll see anything about this on an official site or a discussion on the internet (aside from this one)?

 

Yeah apparently its not a new thing just that they are now enforcing it, Iam due to report next week and the HR dept sent an email asking that when I send them my passport can I also include either my rental lease or a utility bill in my name, my reporting is done in BKK.

Edited August 11, 2011 by Fondles

[MM 6,562]

Yeah apparently its not a new thing just that they are now enforcing it, Iam due to report next week and the HR dept sent an email asking that when I send them my passport can I also include either my rental lease or a utility bill in my name, my reporting is done in BKK.

 

 

Not sure about it being an old rule, but now being enforced. It must be very old then.

 

I found a Thai immigration page back in 2004 that didn't mention it.

 

This is from the Bangkok Immigration web site:

Question : What are documents required for 90 days notification of residence ?

Answer : In case of notifying in person or made by agent, documents required are as follows;   The alien's passport ( original ) Completed form of notification (TM.47) signed by the owner of passport The latest receipt of notification ( if any)

 

 

I'm glad to know a utility bill works though, no matter where this additional requirement came from.

[Fondles 94]

Only repeating what I was told, I don't do my reporting so its a bit meh anyways, my lease is on my work PC so it's really no bother.