A minor threadfuck in re baited or bated

[MM 6,562]

Actually if you re-read Mr Byson again he does not say that baited is a cousin of abated be says that bated is a cousin and in this he is correct.

 

No he isn't. Bated is from "abated". Bryson is full of it as are you to defend him ...hehe.

 

In any case, "baited", while it sounds like the correct term "bated" is incorrect in that usage.

 

 

You can take some solace in the fact that there are many ignorant people, worldwide, who agree with you, but that doesn't make it correct.

[teelack 9,646]

MM. Sorry but you are losing your grip on this one.

 

This is what Bill Bryson wrote:

 

Bait, Bate"Robins exploits were listened to with baited breath' (Mail on Sunday). Unless Robin's listeners were hoping to catch fish, their breath was bated. The word is a cousin of abated.

 

This is what I wrote:

 

Actually if you re-read Mr Byson again he does not say that baited is a cousin of abated be says that bated is a cousin and in this he is correct.

[MM 6,562]

teelack, will you ever acknowledge that you used the wrong spelling or must this silly misdirection and effectiveness continue until I give up?

Yes or no?

[jacko 8,822]

Or the Brit propensity to add the unnecessary "u" to many words.

Or the extra 'O' in behove, bogeyman, the extra 'L' in enrolment and fulfil.

 

We don't actually 'add' anything, it was already there!,

[teelack 9,646]

teelack, will you ever acknowledge that you used the wrong spelling or must this silly misdirection and effectiveness continue until I give up?

Yes or no?

I absoloutly agree that I DID use the wrong spelling which is whay I acknowledged such but quoting Bill Bryson to back up the point.

[MM 6,562]

Sorry...I've never heard of Bill Bryson, so am not at all sure what he brought to the discussion.

Thank you for coming out and clearing up what was becoming a more and more obscure dialogue.

[atlas2 4,329]

How's this for obscure?

 

While swimming this morning this came to me.........

 

A homophonbic archer called 'Bow'

Considered herself in the 'no'

Shooting her bow from a tree

She found the target easily

And inclined from a bough with a bow

 

 

I think I need a little 'lie down'

Edited March 28, 2013 by atlas2

[MM 6,562]

Go back to bed!

[atlas2 4,329]

Go back to bed!

 

 

In my defence it 'was' designed to illustrate through 'confusion' in rhyme the complexities of Homonyms, homophones and homographs in everyday usage, and the difference between them.

 

...........Which, if I say so myself, it sucksseeds in doing, a'hem......brilliantly.

[bigdelta 46]

When your next check arrives,invest part of it in a sense of humor.

No I didn't, I meant the Oxford English Dictionary which was why I posted that. I wasn't aware there was an Oxford British Dictionary as I didn't know there was a language called "British?"

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary

Edited March 28, 2013 by bigdelta

[teelack 9,646]

Sorry...I've never heard of Bill Bryson, so am not at all sure what he brought to the discussion.

Thank you for coming out and clearing up what was becoming a more and more obscure dialogue.

 

I would suggest that Bryson is the most influential American writer for thoser who are not Americn. His books on the language and on the wonders of the American wilds are superb. He has also writen one of the best selling books of the last few years " A short history of almost everything". Google, read and you will find that this man is a marvel for using language as it is meant to be used. I have read every book that he has ever written and pant for more. What he brings to the discussion is scholarship and an ability to understand that US and English English is not always the same and to explain it sucinctly.

[nkped 1,208]

If the word has a "u" in it according to the Oxford English Dictionary then that is the correct spelling I'm afraid.

I wouldn't say the OED is quite as categorical on that as you believe. The OED on-line, itself, is a pay site. I'm not that curious. The Oxford Dictionaries, which may be drawn from it has, for example

 

 

honour

Pronunciation: /ˈɒnə/

(US honor)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/honour That seems to be an acknowledgment by a UK based publication that the spelling varies from one country to another and nothing more.

[Siam Sam 964]

When your next check arrives,invest part of it in a sense of humor.

 

 

Forgive me for not understanding American humour. I don't get checks either, I get my wages which come with a wage slip.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't say the OED is quite as categorical on that as you believe. The OED on-line, itself, is a pay site. I'm not that curious. The Oxford Dictionaries, which may be drawn from it has, for example

 

 

honour

Pronunciation: /ˈɒnə/

(US honor)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/honour That seems to be an acknowledgment by a UK based publication that the spelling varies from one country to another and nothing more.

 

 

The OED provides other uses of English words in other countries, hence the "US" part next to the spelling. A clear indication that other spellings of the words exist although they're not the official ones which are listed first and aren't in brackets.

[atlas2 4,329]

I thought we'd get into this again.

 

To summarise from memory the argument I read combating 'H L Mencken's' desire to see English referred to as 'Anglo-American' and him saying that English has been dragged so far by America that what the Englishman speaks is now, or soon will be, is a dialect of, 'American'.

 

His adversary argued well to my mind that......'American English....like Australian, Kiwi, Canadian, South African, Scots, Indian sub-continent and all the rest are just dialects of the mother tongue. The vocabularies differ but not by much when you consider the colossal bank of words we share.

 

American English like all the other dialects follow the same grammar, syntax and form. The language has been enriched but its root and being have not altered. English is still overwhelmingly 'English'.

 

And when it's claimed, "Ah American films, music and TV have spread the language world-wide", remember before there were any such things English was the official language of one quarter of the human race......Including the peoples of North America.'

 

For me.....If Shakespear couldn't spell his own name I don't think we English should get too bothered by Americans moving letters around or omiting them. Most of the time it makes better sense. Though as you can see above I resisted the American spell-check of 'summarise'

 

I can't think of anything that peeves me other than us having to call 'football' soccer when we talk to you.

Edited March 29, 2013 by atlas2

[papillon 695]

I would suggest that Bryson is the most influential American writer for thoser who are not Americn. His books on the language and on the wonders of the American wilds are superb. He has also writen one of the best selling books of the last few years " A short history of almost everything". Google, read and you will find that this man is a marvel for using language as it is meant to be used. I have read every book that he has ever written and pant for more. What he brings to the discussion is scholarship and an ability to understand that US and English English is not always the same and to explain it sucinctly.

A real shame none of it has rubbed off on you.

[atlas2 4,329]

A real shame none of it has rubbed off on you.

 

 

Why are you nearly always so insulting? What's made you so bitter?

 

Whatever your problem.......You won the lottery this morning.....You woke up....don't waste your luck like this!

[papillon 695]

Why are you nearly always so insulting? What's made you so bitter?

 

Whatever your problem.......You won the lottery this morning.....You woke up....don't waste your luck like this!

Teelack likes to give me stick whenever the opportunity arises. Just tuning him up a bit.

[papillon 695]

As for Shakespeare, I just walked past his birthplace on my way to breakfast. Loads of Japanese Hotties taking photos of a newly erected statue. Got a boner as I was walking past. At least he was good for something.

[bigmick 840]

As for Shakespeare, I just walked past his birthplace on my way to breakfast. Loads of Japanese Hotties taking photos of a newly erected statue. Got a boner as I was walking past. At least he was good for something.

 

How old were they?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Google, read and you will find that this man is a marvel for using language as it is meant to be used. I have read every book that he has ever written and pant for more. What he brings to the discussion is scholarship and an ability to understand that US and English English is not always the same and to explain it sucinctly.

 

 

I think in the case of succinctly, it is the same.

[bigdelta 46]

Direct deposit isn't available in Britland?It saves your employer money.It's mandatory at many companies for just that reason-it's a windup in case you missed the American humor.In the future I will include the requisite smilie to help you decipher humor from fact.

Forgive me for not understanding American humour. I don't get checks either, I get my wages which come with a wage slip.

 

 

 

 

 

The OED provides other uses of English words in other countries, hence the "US" part next to the spelling. A clear indication that other spellings of the words exist although they're not the official ones which are listed first and aren't in brackets.

[Siam Sam 964]

Direct deposit isn't available in Britland?It saves your employer money.It's mandatory at many companies for just that reason

 

If you mean whether the money is paid direct into a bank account then yes, we have a system called BACS in the UK that employers use to pay their staff.

 

 

In the future I will include the requisite smilie to help you decipher humor from fact.

 

Thanks for that. Good stuff, in future I'll look for them when you post and then I'll know whether I should laugh or not.

Edited March 28, 2013 by Siam Sam

[bigdelta 46]

Always glad to help.

If you mean whether the money is paid direct into a bank account then yes, we have a system called BACS in the UK that employers use to pay their staff.

 

 

 

Thanks for that. Good stuff, in future I'll look for them when you post and then I'll know whether I should laugh or not.

[jacko 8,822]

In my defence it 'was' designed to illustrate through 'confusion' in rhyme the complexities of Homonyms, homophones and homographs in everyday usage, and the difference between them.

 

...........Which, if I say so myself, it sucksseeds in doing, a'hem......brilliantly.

You should have gone back to bed while you still had some cred!

[jacko 8,822]

 

I wouldn't say the OED is quite as categorical on that as you believe. The OED on-line, itself, is a pay site. I'm not that curious. The Oxford Dictionaries, which may be drawn from it has, for example

 

 

honour

Pronunciation: /ˈɒnə/

(US honor)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/honour That seems to be an acknowledgment by a UK based publication that the spelling varies from one country to another and nothing more.

Honour, that is oner of the 3 or 4 words where the aitch is silent,the others being hour and heir.... and is it perhaps haitch also in that group?