Error Fares and Fares to BKK

[Goldpanner 399]

Here are some links to sites posting Error Fares and cheapie fares to Bangkok from departure points outside of the UK

Some of the fares look very good, but then you have to factor in the cost of getting to and from those airports in the first place plus a change of aircraft and sometimes the necessity of actually having to get a Visa for the country as you wont have a through ticket with some but not all airports as some dont have transit desks.

 

http://www.secretflying.com/

https://www.holidaypirates.com/

[Goldpanner 399]

Just a follow up for anyone interested in these Error fares and also Fares that departf from non UK airports.

Before you even consider booking, check up how much the connecting flights from the UK to the departure airport is going to cost.

When those costs are factored in the fares are little different than what you would pay from the UK

[Butch 3,456]

Question GP, If using one of these fares, I would you have to get your luggage from the destination airport , then check in again prior to departing to BKK, or would you go through as a Transit pax and the baggage checked through to final destination?.

[Goldpanner 399]

Question GP, If using one of these fares, I would you have to get your luggage from the destination airport , then check in again prior to departing to BKK, or would you go through as a Transit pax and the baggage checked through to final destination?.

 

It realy depends upon the airport and the efficiency of their staff and computer systems.It is possible,to get booked through,but depends on the operator and how they see the rules. However, in general you would have to ffly to the cheap departure airport, leave airside, pass immigration then collect your bags and re-check in. One of the main problems is, if you got your cheapie ex Paris, the UK departure air company may not have direct computer access to the forwarding air company in Paris. They can access their system OK in the UK but I doubt they would be able to check someone in for deparrure Ex Paris when they effectively only have a UK-Paris Ticket.. Luggage Labels would only be issued as per the London-Paris flight. as per the Booking agent PNR number.

 

Its different when you book the whole thing in one go including various carriers as the computers will already have all the connecting flights down inputted by the selling agent or consolidator.

But its realy cross fingers and chance. To be honest Ive never realy seen any Error flights worth botherng about. I was once going to try a GermanWings flight to Bangkok asit was so cheap. Then I added on the London-Frankfurt sector and it just didnt add up.

BUT, saying that about error fares. I have seen some realy good packge deals offered by them. No Im no longer in the Music business I may try some of them out.

[Bullfrog 2,225]

 

It realy depends upon the airport and the efficiency of their staff and computer systems.It is possible,to get booked through,but depends on the operator and how they see the rules. However, in general you would have to ffly to the cheap departure airport, leave airside, pass immigration then collect your bags and re-check in. One of the main problems is, if you got your cheapie ex Paris, the UK departure air company may not have direct computer access to the forwarding air company in Paris. They can access their system OK in the UK but I doubt they would be able to check someone in for deparrure Ex Paris when they effectively only have a UK-Paris Ticket.. Luggage Labels would only be issued as per the London-Paris flight. as per the Booking agent PNR number.

 

Its different when you book the whole thing in one go including various carriers as the computers will already have all the connecting flights down inputted by the selling agent or consolidator.

But its realy cross fingers and chance. To be honest Ive never realy seen any Error flights worth botherng about. I was once going to try a GermanWings flight to Bangkok asit was so cheap. Then I added on the London-Frankfurt sector and it just didnt add up.

BUT, saying that about error fares. I have seen some realy good packge deals offered by them. No Im no longer in the Music business I may try some of them out.

 

My own experiences of flying from Southampton into Schipol then onwards should prove as a warning to others..

 

1. If the incoming flight is late then it is that carrier that has to find you a new flight if you miss your onward flight. In my case KLM UK didn't have a presence in Schipol and I was left stranded because they basically kick you out of the prop plane and its upto you to go begging at the desk of your onward flight carrier.. in my case it was down to wherever I was flying to in Africa at the time..

 

2. When I was flying with my first Thai wife in from BKK we had to be escorted by an immigration official ( after a lot of harrasment) through to the KLM UK departure gate because she only had a visa for UK and not a Shengen visa.

 

 

As you say in your OP you really need to do your homework before you start looking at these cheap flights...

[valentinoxxx 4]

We discussed this already on the other thread. But there you were totally negative and cast aspersions about the airlines involved. Now here you are. Nice that you gave me credit for beginning the conversation.

 

Anyway....

 

When you pay £185 pounds for a flight, and only need a single one way connecting flight, you can choose to make it a twin centre holiday and use the saving you have made to pay for a stay in the connecting city. In the examples on the other thread, I illustrated both Istanbul and Larnaca.

 

One doesn't always need to take huge amounts of luggage for a two week trip. Taking hand luggage and your laptop bag may suffice. Then you don't have to mess around. You can just go straight to the connecting gate. Usually just a passport check and hand luggage scan. that way you don't have to lose holiday time if you don't want a twin centre trip.

 

 

I also illustrated on the other thread potential savings of hundreds of pounds, even with the cost of connecting flights.

 

If you have some understanding of how these things work, you would be able to find them yourself and maybe contribute to the websites involved.

 

These aren't the flights for you if you are not an avid traveller and cannot learn to enjoy the journey.

 

I have flown many times to SE Asia for under £250. Cheapest being £150 return.

 

For the times that I want to check luggage in, I can just choose a connecting flight with an ample stopover or pay a bit more for a flight that suits.

 

It's a supplement to your usual searches, not a substitute.

 

I could post a raft of deals all over the shop that you won't find on those sites. I've been on some incredible itineraries worldwide. To the point where i have almost run out of interesting places to go.

 

I could post a lot of hints on connecting flights, cutting costs to the bare bone, but honestly, certain characters have been so unpleasant, there is no way that I would want them to benefit from my experience.

Edited June 26, 2017 by valentinoxxx

[Goldpanner 399]

 

My own experiences of flying from Southampton into Schipol then onwards should prove as a warning to others..

 

1. If the incoming flight is late then it is that carrier that has to find you a new flight if you miss your onward flight. In my case KLM UK didn't have a presence in Schipol and I was left stranded because they basically kick you out of the prop plane and its upto you to go begging at the desk of your onward flight carrier.. in my case it was down to wherever I was flying to in Africa at the time..

 

2. When I was flying with my first Thai wife in from BKK we had to be escorted by an immigration official ( after a lot of harrasment) through to the KLM UK departure gate because she only had a visa for UK and not a Shengen visa.

 

 

As you say in your OP you really need to do your homework before you start looking at these cheap flights...

Exactly !

The other point with those Error fares is, many blokes have very tight schedules for holidays and want the max time in Thailand so sodding about chase arsing around getting a Visa simply for a change of aircraft and for with silly fares and sillier airlines is simply not possible.

You will rarely if ever see an Error fare on a half decent airline departing Ex UK airports. Theres far too many people in the ticketting line to let one through.

[valentinoxxx 4]

Exactly !

The other point with those Error fares is, many blokes have very tight schedules for holidays and want the max time in Thailand so sodding about chase arsing around getting a Visa simply for a change of aircraft and for with silly fares and sillier airlines is simply not possible.

You will rarely if ever see an Error fare on a half decent airline departing Ex UK airports. Theres far too many people in the ticketting line to let one through.

 

 

Goldpanner simply doesn't know what he is talking about.

Personally I think he has remained unchallenged here for so long, that he imagines that he is an expert.

He keeps banging on about "Error fares", but actually has no idea as to what constitutes an error fare and his assertion that there are no bargain flights on decent airlines ex UK is utter crap. He is literally making it up as he goes along.

 

Let's go from Manchester or Inverness to Hawaii

 

Let's go from Inverness to BKK.

 

They look like decent airlines to me.

 

That is just a small selection.

[valentinoxxx 4]

This a normal EVA fare this year for flights from Feb to June.

 

 

Looks like a decent airline to me.

 

 

 

[valentinoxxx 4]

Looks ex UK to me and Turkish Airlines is regarded as a decent airline.

 

I don't know why such a person is giving 'advice' here if they really have no idea.

 

These are options. They aren't supposed to fit all situations.

We all know that you only started this thread because of my earlier posts about cheaper alternative options on the other thread..

But instead of working together, you tried to steal my thunder and have once again ended up with egg on your face.

[Goldpanner 399]

 

My own experiences of flying from Southampton into Schipol then onwards should prove as a warning to others..

 

1. If the incoming flight is late then it is that carrier that has to find you a new flight if you miss your onward flight. In my case KLM UK didn't have a presence in Schipol and I was left stranded because they basically kick you out of the prop plane and its upto you to go begging at the desk of your onward flight carrier.. in my case it was down to wherever I was flying to in Africa at the time..

 

2. When I was flying with my first Thai wife in from BKK we had to be escorted by an immigration official ( after a lot of harrasment) through to the KLM UK departure gate because she only had a visa for UK and not a Shengen visa.

 

 

As you say in your OP you really need to do your homework before you start looking at these cheap flights...

 

Another thing I should have mentioned, Technically, Cross border or Cross ticketting is against most airlines rules. It was easier to police pre-internet but nowadays its quite hard for the airliness to double check.The reasoning is that many airlines dont have traffic rights to fly from say LHR to Bangkok so they get round it by selling tickets from their home base or an airport they do have traffic rights from then leaving it to you to buy the connecting ticket. China Airlines was one of those They never had traffic rights to fly from London or Manchester to Bangkok, they didnt actually have landing permission in the UK at Heathrow either so thats how they got away with it by flying a different airline to Amsterdam then onto the China Airlines flight.. But if an air company has landing rights in the UK they cannot sell say, London to Bangkok if their home base is say Sweden or Finland or Norway

So its something to be carefull of, Legally they can just tear your ticket up if you have bought a ticket from say Finland dor Greece or somewhere like that outside of the EU. They probably wont as competition is so high now, but they have the right to under most airlines and Agents terms and conditions..However you wont be covered by any ATOL or IATA compensation.

The whole nasty Cross Border thing is a very complicated and mixed up thing which has been bubbling along for years and which airlines will have to sort out sooner or later, Its also part of the larger Cross ticketting problem where several sectors are ticketted and one of the sectors are dropped. Effectively thats what a lot of the error fares are.

A more interesting question arises about Consumer protection laws. You buy a ticket online from say Turkey or Finland what Protection do you have? in most cases a big fat ZERO

 

Strangely, Cross Channel Ferry companies stopped the practice of a sort of Cross Ticketting. Thats when the return fare is cheaper than the one way so chummy buys a return ticket then throws the return sector away. If youre never going to travel again youre ok, But Names and Registration numbers along with Passport numbers are now on record and you could be booted off the next ferry !

 

Some interesting notes

http://www.businesstravelnews.com/More-News/BA-Automation-Aims-To-Eliminate-Cross-Border-Ticketing

An old post but relevant http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/31256-cross-border-ticketing.html

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-09-238_en.htm?locale=en

[valentinoxxx 4]

 

Another thing I should have mentioned, Technically, Cross border or Cross ticketting is against most airlines rules. It was easier to police pre-internet but nowadays its quite hard for the airliness to double check.The reasoning is that many airlines dont have traffic rights to fly from say LHR to Bangkok so they get round it by selling tickets from their home base or an airport they do have traffic rights from then leaving it to you to buy the connecting ticket. China Airlines was one of those They never had traffic rights to fly from London or Manchester to Bangkok, they didnt actually have landing permission in the UK at Heathrow either so thats how they got away with it by flying a different airline to Amsterdam then onto the China Airlines flight.. But if an air company has landing rights in the UK they cannot sell say, London to Bangkok if their home base is say Sweden or Finland or Norway

So its something to be carefull of, Legally they can just tear your ticket up if you have bought a ticket from say Finland dor Greece or somewhere like that outside of the EU. They probably wont as competition is so high now, but they have the right to under most airlines and Agents terms and conditions..However you wont be covered by any ATOL or IATA compensation.

The whole nasty Cross Border thing is a very complicated and mixed up thing which has been bubbling along for years and which airlines will have to sort out sooner or later, Its also part of the larger Cross ticketting problem where several sectors are ticketted and one of the sectors are dropped. Effectively thats what a lot of the error fares are.

A more interesting question arises about Consumer protection laws. You buy a ticket online from say Turkey or Finland what Protection do you have? in most cases a big fat ZERO

 

Strangely, Cross Channel Ferry companies stopped the practice of a sort of Cross Ticketting. Thats when the return fare is cheaper than the one way so chummy buys a return ticket then throws the return sector away. If youre never going to travel again youre ok, But Names and Registration numbers along with Passport numbers are now on record and you could be booted off the next ferry !

 

Some interesting notes

http://www.businesstravelnews.com/More-News/BA-Automation-Aims-To-Eliminate-Cross-Border-Ticketing

An old post but relevant http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/31256-cross-border-ticketing.html

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-09-238_en.htm?locale=en

 

None of this has absolutely any to do with the tickets posted, since there is no cross border ticketing or unused coupons.

As to a lack of protection if buying from Turkey or Finland, that is just more nonsense. If you pay with a credit card you have Section 75. Debit card, you have the possibility of chargeback.

But more than that, who has ever bought a ticket from Finland or Turkey?

 

Then more nonsense, "Legally they can just tear your ticket up if you have bought a ticket from say Finland dor Greece or somewhere like that outside of the EU"

What a load of bull...!

 

What are you posting this crazy, sensationalistic nonsense? It is really just nonsense.

 

The only thing that BA can do to discourage you from buying a cheaper ticket ex UK is to refuse to check your luggage all the way through to your end destination. Which is exactly what they do. Rubbish regarding being able to tear up your ticket is just sheer stupidity.

 

I am literally astounded by the amount of stuff that you either make up as you go along or that you simply do not fully understand.

 

I can hardly believe that both of the articles that you have posted are from 2002! You are taking the absolute mickey out of the people here!

 

Apart from the fact that none of the posted deals fit into any of the categories that you describe, just about everyone knows that these days, if you try to skip the first leg on your itinerary, the rest of your trip will likely be cancelled.

 

Maybe it was different in 2002. You are seriously out of touch.

 

Why don't you admit that you really aren't up to date with how things work these days, instead of just discouraging people with your almost entirely incorrect posts? Shocking! Really.

Edited June 27, 2017 by valentinoxxx

[valentinoxxx 4]

If one wants to fly direct to BKK with BA in a roundabout way, one can fly from a Spanish city for around £338 return plus a one way flight to Spain

Example:

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2017 by valentinoxxx

[valentinoxxx 4]

The reason for the change of airport on the way back, is that they give you your luggage at Heathrow.

[valentinoxxx 4]

Some flying in October for instance can do it this way;

 

They are selling out fast. Were £325 earlier today. The long stopover on the way back ensures that you can pick up your luggage at Heathrow.

 

 

 

 

 

[valentinoxxx 4]

Another way to do it is to treat yourself to a day trip in a Spanish city of your choice.

 

Let's say Barcelona in this example.

 

You can fly to Barcelona with no luggage in the morning or afternoon, at your leisure. So you can buy the cheapest flight with Easyjet or the like, as you'll not need to take anything with you.

 

Then you take the evening in the itinerary shown below and go home to bed. Of course this if for someone who lives in London or surrounds.

 

The next day you check in for your flight as normal. Check in your luggage and you are on your way. On the way back, they'll give you your luggage, as there is a change of airport if you are carrying on to Spain. If you are not, homeward bound you go.

 

So a way to fly direct to Thailand at a discount and to get a cheap day trip on the side.

 

 

Don't go posting my stuff elsewhere

[valentinoxxx 4]

Don't try to think you are smart by skipping the first leg. They'll likely cancel the rest of your itinerary.