OT: Cheney

[jbecker 0]

Hmm,

 

now I understand why Americans didn't have success either in Vietnam or Iraq :)

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney.ap/

 

Cheers

jb

[PokerUpFront 0]

just what the board needs, another troll the u.s. exerts more influence on the world than any other country and could change the govt in finland as quickly as they did in iraq if finland got out of line. finland's last major conflict was in the biathalon at least people actually ask france what they think.

Edited February 15, 2006 by PokerUpFront

[olyboy 0]

just what the board needs, another troll   the u.s. exerts more influence on the world than any other country and could change the govt in finland as quickly as they did in iraq if finland got out of line.  finland's last major conflict was in the biathalon   at least people actually ask france what they think.

[lv2play 0]

just what the board needs, another troll  the u.s. exerts more influence on the world than any other country and could change the govt in finland as quickly as they did in iraq if finland got out of line. finland's last major conflict was in the biathalon  at least people actually ask france what they think

 

I don,t think so,i,m sure 99,9% of ALL americans have no clue where to find Finland,even if they should stand on it

Do you mean negative or positive influence ?

[kdc1899 1]

Hmm,

 

now I understand why Americans didn't have success either in Vietnam or Iraq :)

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney.ap/

 

Cheers

jb

Are you saying that in Vietnam and Iraq we had a specific mission but wound up shooting our host?

[PokerUpFront 0]

I don,t think so,i,m sure 99,9% of ALL americans have no clue where to find Finland,even if they should stand on it   

Do you mean negative or positive influence ? 

you are dead wrong well more than 1 in 1000 americans know where finland is, and even more know about your even less militarily significant country, but only due to p4p and drugs. at least finland had some famous snipers.

 

i did not state positive or negative influence.

Edited February 16, 2006 by PokerUpFront

[shane_sangthip#1 0]

This event gives a new meaning to " FRIENDLY FIRE"!!!. A subject that the good old yanks are top drawer at doing!!!.

[Eneukman 1]

just what the board needs, another troll at least people actually ask france what they think.

I should be totally amazed by the attitude of many Americans to this "accident" but because it's America, I aint. Grouse shooting takes place in Scotland from 14th August each year and if an incident like this had happened there, there would have been a major police investigation into what went wrong and why appropriate safety precautions weren't taken - i.e. How the hell was the guy who was shot allowed to get in the way in the first place? or Why was the vice-president shooting in the direction of his fellow shooters?

 

Questions have to be answered and answered honestly (hard in Cheney's case being a politician!!!!)

 

One other question. What happens to the birds that were shot? Do they end up on the dinner table of a fancy restauarant (or the ranch owner's freezer)? Or are the carcases just dumped?

 

I don't have a problem with hunting for food (unless it's endangered species) but I do strongly object to killing PURELY for sport. I accept that in some cases a cull may be necessary to stop animals from starving due to overpopulation and the lack of natural predators or where there are health risks e.g. from bird flu.

 

Alan

[kdc1899 1]

Varmint kills are not eaten by humans but are cleaned up quite naturally.

I don't know anyone who doesn't eat their hunt.

 

It does appear the V.P. was probably a bit tipsy (explains the 24 hour wait).

It was private property so licenses and B.A.C. should really be no ones business.

[mykl 72]

Varmint kills are not eaten by humans but are cleaned up quite naturally.

I don't know anyone who doesn't eat their hunt.

 

It does appear the V.P. was probably a bit tipsy (explains the 24 hour wait).

It was private property so licenses and B.A.C. should really be no ones business.

Not so. Cheny is Vice President. His BAC during a shooting incident would be very much a public concern. If there was a possability the VP was tipsy when he shot a fellow hunter the press would be on it like vultures on a rotting corpse. So far none of the broadcasts I have seen have mentioned that aspect.

[zaphodbeeblebrox 0]

First off, realize that Cheney is the most powerful man in the world. He is pretty much running the Bush administration. Cheney admitted to drinking a beer at lunch. Hunting accidents are a normal part of the sport. More than 10 people are shot to death in Texas alone in hunting accidents each year. From all accounts, Harry Whittington failed to announce his movement properly. Despite this fact, Cheney accepted total responsibility for the shooting, because he fired the gun.

 

Look, I don't like this administration either, but even if Cheney was drunk as a skunk, his inebriation did not play any part in the shooting. Cheney's only error was his delay in reporting the incident, and to whom the incident was finally reported. He should realize his prominent role in the administration, and make expedient disclosures both to the White House and the media.

[Lovolt 0]

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just what the board needs, another troll the u.s. exerts more influence on the world than any other country and could change the govt in finland as quickly as they did in iraq if finland got out of line. finland's last major conflict was in the biathalon at least people actually ask france what they think

 

 

 

I don,t think so,i,m sure 99,9% of ALL americans have no clue where to find Finland,even if they should stand on it

Do you mean negative or positive influence ?

 

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Personally I'd like to see the USA back off on all the other countries. Stand back and watch the world for a few years. Many of the countries that bitch about the US getting involved would have to stand on thier own 2 feet and do something.

 

Granted there are many other countries involved in different "actions" But they don't have nearly the same numbers of boots on the ground nor the amount of casualties.

 

Now before people get all worked up and start flameing me. I have to say that I don't agree with US policies in many areas. I don't believe that the US should be the big brother of the world. What I am saying is that many countries bitch about things but don't have the balls to stand up and do anything about it. Perfect example is whats going on right now with Iran. Germany and France are trying to "spearhead" something against them on thier nuclear possibilities. They will talk and talk and talk and nothing will ever get done.

 

Do I believe they have nuclear weapons intentions? Of course I do. Do I want the USA involved in another "action"? Hell no. Let other countries stick up for themselves for once.

 

Now that I have stepped off my high horse. I have to have a moment to laugh at myself. Its amazing how one joking comment can make someone turn defensive. I have been wanting to say something to this effect for a long time. Granted it isn't the time nor place for political discussions. Thanks for letting me rant... I feel better now.

 

I think its time to spin the top off a bottle of Captain Morgan and have a few.

 

Cheers

Edited February 16, 2006 by Lovolt

[PokerUpFront 0]

One other question. What happens to the birds that were shot? Do they end up on the dinner table of a fancy restauarant (or the ranch owner's freezer)? Or are the carcases just dumped?

it is my understanding that hunting on your own private property often has different regulations than hiring out your private property to be hunted on and licenses are often required for those renting the right to hunt on private property. each individual state is allowed to set their own regulations.

 

on upland bird hunting farms the birds are usually kept by the farm for eating there or sale to a butcher shop, restraunt etc... I have been on a trip where you go to the farm, shoot the shit out of their birds, then when you get back to the farm house you dine on the type of birds you shot, however the birds you eat were cooking while you were hunting and they were probably shot the day/s before.

 

as far as cheney and bush, it is hard for me to understand how someone can connect their actions today to the results of the vietnam war. vietnam was then with a different admin. the connection should be in their inability to learn from the lessons of the past.

 

bush and cheney's shortcomings are in their lack of foresight and inability to learn from the past. on a micro basis, cheney's shooting his hunting partner looks the same as his and the admins macro scale inability to manage the iraq situation. he seems like a guy that acts on his first instinct and checks the details later. sometimes this is the only way to go when action is necessary NOW.

 

imo this admin is overwhelmed by the amount of information coming at them and they prefer to just put their own spin on things and deal with mistakes later. is the "management by disater" method they use appropriate? i am not completely convinced but on the other hand if we had an admin that was just sitting on its thumbs or half heartedly facing the terrorist while analyzing every bit of information, i believe that we would have had several more attacks on our soil and then we would have to use management by disater.

[wacmedia 277]

So far none of the broadcasts I have seen have mentioned that aspect.

 

Hi,

 

You must only be watching Fox. However in this instance, it's a situation I would not blame anybody.

[Eneukman 1]

I haven't heard any mention that Cheny had been drinking before the incident. Like driving, alcohol and shooting simply don't go together. Having said that, one single beer shouldn't have affected his judgement.

 

As I said before I don't have a problem with shooting for sport IF the animals killed pass into the food chain. As for dining on the type of game that has just been shot, it is obviously impractical for birds shot that day to be served up for lunch or dinner an hour or two later.

 

Alan

[olyboy 0]

1) How good is Cheney's hand eye coordination , and balance at his age ???

 

 

2) If these were pen raised quail , which fly different from quail raised in the wild , then this is understanable. Pen raised birds require you to almost to step on them to flush, they fly very close to the ground and often right back at the hunters and dogs. Wild quail will often flush 30 or so meters in front of the hunting party, even with the dogs. Also pen raised birds will sometimes run and not fly, so you put rubber bands around their feet.

 

3) I am sure they just had a farm hand walk behind and clean the birds as they went.

 

Grouse are nothing like the eadstern bobwhite quail and fly totally different pattern, even pen raised ones

[cowboy 0]

Now we know why Bush never goes hunting with Cheney. They are a fine pair. Silver spoon boy "w" goes dove hunting and shoots a Hawk. Cheney shoot his Host. I have been a pheasant and duck hunter for more than 20 years. These stupid pricks need to take a hunting safety class.

[PokerUpFront 0]

Now we know why Bush never goes hunting with Cheney. They are a fine pair. Silver spoon boy "w" goes dove hunting and shoots a Hawk. Cheney shoot his Host. I have been a pheasant and duck hunter for more than 20 years. These stupid pricks need to take a hunting safety class.

those stupid pricks need to not have a gun in their hands. just a few more years and we will have hilary to make fun of (god forbid)

[lv2play 0]

Dick Cheney is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying:

 

"Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

 

"OH, NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

 

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands, crying quietly.

 

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"

[zaphodbeeblebrox 0]

"How many is a brazillion?"

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

The geezer seems a whole lot brighter than the Pres and the usual Vice-Pres.

[nico 0]

Having read all the postings on this thread I think Shakespeare said it best: "much ado about nothing"

[jbecker 0]

I don,t think so,i,m sure 99,9% of ALL americans have no clue where to find Finland,even if they should stand on it   

I am afraid - you are right

 

http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/america/

 

jb

[nico 0]

About 10 years ago UCLA did a survey and found that 60% of its incoming freshmen couldn't locate the USA on a world map. Moreover, 80% said that it wasn't important for them to know it.

 

But I bet most of them knew what was on Oprah the previous week.

[zaphodbeeblebrox 0]

About 10 years ago UCLA did a survey and found that 60% of its incoming freshmen couldn't locate the USA on a world map. Moreover, 80% said that it wasn't important for them to know it.

 

But I bet most of them knew what was on Oprah the previous week.

Did you know that over 50% of the incoming freshman to UCLA are Asian or Asian-Americans? The same goes for Cal-Berkeley. That may explain these results.