Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[BigDUSA 71]

Hi,

 

Great news for Airbus.

 

From Times Online June 8, 2010

 

Bigger, cheaper Emirates sets out to win battle for the skies

 

Even with this order they still have a long way to go before they meet their break even point. Long way to go.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Even with this order they still have a long way to go before they meet their break even point. Long way to go.

 

You don't know what their break even point is. It's certainly not the same as it was last month, or even last week.

[bigdelta 46]

So basically Emirates keeps AEIOUDS afloat a while longer.

[wacmedia 277]

So basically Emirates keeps AEIOUDS afloat a while longer.

 

Hi,

 

Sorry mate. Eads shares rose more than 6% yesterday.

[MrMango 665]

Hi,

 

Sorry mate. Eads shares rose more than 6% yesterday.

Sorry???

You just confirmed his point. They received a large order which greatly increases the odds of them staying in business and one would expect the stock price to increase.

[wacmedia 277]

They received a large order which greatly increases the odds of them staying in business .

 

 

Hi,

 

As I've said before there will always be Airbus as military requires it. Just like that defence subsidised American co.

[BigDUSA 71]

You don't know what their break even point is. It's certainly not the same as it was last month, or even last week.

 

October 19, 2006

Airbus has raised sharply its break-even point for the A380 superjumbo to take into account delays and cash shortfalls in the mammoth project.

 

The European planemaker told analysts in Hamburg on Thursday that it now needs to sell 420 of the double-decker jets to break even rather than its most recent estimate of 270, parent company EADS said on its web site.

 

In all, it is budgeting for 751 deliveries, it said.

 

So far Airbus has sold 159 superjumbo aircraft.

 

Airbus also reported a EUR6.3 billion euro (USD$7.95 billion) cash shortfall from the two-year delivery delays disclosed last month, of which EUR4.8 billion (USD$6.06 billion) are an already reported gross profit shortfall while the rest stems from a net working capital deterioration of EUR1.5 billion (USD$1.9 billion).

 

The German co-head of EADS believes the A380 will be a success, despite the problems with the plane.

 

"I believe in the success of the A380 and I am certain that Airbus will return to its old strength," Tom Enders said in a press release issued at an air transport conference.

 

The new boss of Airbus, EADS French co-Chief Executive Louis Gallois, has said a painful restructuring would be needed to put the planemaker back on track.

 

Enders, who is also president of the German air transport and space industry association BDLI, said the industry in Germany needed to invest significantly in research and technology and develop new products quickly in the face of increasingly tough global competition.

 

He added that political support was especially important for small and middle-sized suppliers.

(Reuters)

 

Airbus stopped reporting the break-even point after this story was printed. So far Airbus is nowhere close to the break-even point.

 

I checked Airbus website and as of January 2010 they have 202 firm orders and when you add in the latest order they are still a long way from making the break-even point they posted years ago. Long way.

Edited June 13, 2010 by BigDUSA

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Airbus stopped reporting the break-even point after this story was printed. So far Airbus is nowhere close to the break-even point.

 

As I said, you have absolutely no idea what the break-even point is, only what it was in 2007.

 

I checked Airbus website and as of January 2010 they have 202 firm orders and when you add in the latest order they are still a long way from making the break-even point they posted years ago. Long way.

 

Again, as I said, "It's certainly not the same as it was last month, or even last week". And it's certainly not what it was in 2007.

Edited June 13, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

As I said, you have absolutely no idea what the break-even point is, only what it was in 2007.

 

 

 

Again, as I said, "It's certainly not the same as it was last month, or even last week". And it's certainly not what it was in 2007.

 

Damn shame they have so few orders compared to Boeing.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Damn shame they have so few orders compared to Boeing.

 

Actually they have 40-odd more orders outstanding before the Berlin Airshow is taken into account.

 

You're not very good at this, are you.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Actually they have 40-odd more orders outstanding before the Berlin Airshow is taken into account.

 

You're not very good at this, are you.

 

How many orders did Airbus get at Berlin? I believe the final total was something like 67.

 

And then there is the Farnborough International Airshow to come on 19-25 July 2010... Airbus will rack up a few orders there as well....

 

You're right Tommy.... he isn't very good at this, is he?

Edited June 13, 2010 by TheFiend

[BigDUSA 71]

Actually they have 40-odd more orders outstanding before the Berlin Airshow is taken into account.

 

You're not very good at this, are you.

 

Boeing has 787 confirmed orders for the 787 airplane. All that matters is Boeing is very good at this. Compared to Airbus has 202 confirmed orders for the A380. Big difference in orders. Boeing is well past their break-even point and Airbus is well below their break-even point.

Edited June 14, 2010 by BigDUSA

[TheFiend 1,181]

Boeing has 787 confirmed orders for the 787 airplane. All that matters is Boeing is very good at this. Compared to Airbus has 202 confirmed orders for the A380. Big difference in orders. Boeing is well past their break-even point and Airbus is well below their break-even point.

 

Not keeping up with the news, are we Bunky!!! 202 +32 does not equal 202!!!

[BigDUSA 71]

Not keeping up with the news, are we Bunky!!! 202 +32 does not equal 202!!!

 

I quote what they offer off the Airbus website. Even with the new orders they are still well below the break-even point. I hope the EU taxpayer has a few more billion Euro's to cough up in support of Airbus.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Boeing has 787 confirmed orders for the 787 airplane. All that matters is Boeing is very good at this. Compared to Airbus has 202 confirmed orders for the A380. Big difference in orders. Boeing is well past their break-even point and Airbus is well below their break-even point.

 

You didn't mention anything about the A380 or 787 in your statement, "Damn shame they have so few orders compared to Boeing".

 

Airbus has a larger order book than Boeing. End of!

 

Even your stupid comparison shows how thick you are. Why don't you compare the 787 to the A350, or the A380 to the 747.

 

I may as well debunk (an appropriate word) your statement by pointing out that Airbus has more orders for the A320 than Boeing has for the 787.

 

You should stick to the cut and paste nonsense - but you can't even perform that simple task without fucking up.

[BigDUSA 71]

You didn't mention anything about the A380 or 787 in your statement, "Damn shame they have so few orders compared to Boeing".

 

Airbus has a larger order book than Boeing. End of!

 

Even your stupid comparison shows how thick you are. Why don't you compare the 787 to the A350, or the A380 to the 747.

 

I may as well debunk (an appropriate word) your statement by pointing out that Airbus has more orders for the A320 than Boeing has for the 787.

 

You should stick to the cut and paste nonsense - but you can't even perform that simple task without fucking up.

 

LMAO Tommie. We've been talking for a long time about the 787 versus the A380. Why change now? Boeing does have the advantage and will make a ton of money on the 787 and the A380 will be sucking Euro"s out of the EU taxpayer for a long long time. EU taxpayer Airbus

Edited June 14, 2010 by BigDUSA

[CheshireTom 1,377]

LMAO Tommie. We've been talking for a long time about the 787 versus the A380.

 

No, you have. Because you're thick.

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

I think we all should remember the number of Nightmareliner deliver to customers so far. 0000000.

[MrMango 665]

Hi,

 

I think we all should remember the number of Nightmareliner deliver to customers so far. 0000000.

Fair enough. A couple of years ago, the number of sales of the 380 was 0000 also.

 

How many have they delivered since then? Maybe 25? in 2 years or so? (I did not bother to lookup the numbers, bu they are dismal)

 

at the delivery rate, they probably will finish their order backlog in about 50 years or so.

 

If I had a dog in this hunt, it would not be betting on the 380 to win.

[BigDUSA 71]

Hi,

 

I think we all should remember the number of Nightmareliner deliver to customers so far. 0000000.

 

What's a "Nightmareliner" is that the name of the England World Cup Team?

[TheFiend 1,181]

Fair enough. A couple of years ago, the number of sales of the 380 was 0000 also.

 

How many have they delivered since then? Maybe 25? in 2 years or so? (I did not bother to lookup the numbers, bu they are dismal)

 

at the delivery rate, they probably will finish their order backlog in about 50 years or so.

 

If I had a dog in this hunt, it would not be betting on the 380 to win.

 

Mr Mongo also failing to keep up with the news.......

 

Current figures are 30 delivered and in service, with another 3 deliveries over the next 2 months.

[BigDUSA 71]

No, you have. Because you're thick.

 

Kind of hard for the Airbus A380 fan club to get around the fact that Airbus hasn't come close to reaching the break-even point and Boeing has way surpassed it and is well on the way to making a ton of money on the 787. Seems to me this leaves the A380 sucking wind and fucking the EU taxpayer. Damn two for the price of one.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Kind of hard for the Airbus A380 fan club to get around the fact that Airbus hasn't come close to reaching the break-even point and Boeing has way surpassed it and is well on the way to making a ton of money on the 787. Seems to me this leaves the A380 sucking wind and fucking the EU taxpayer. Damn two for the price of one.

 

Err, in case you haven't noticed Boeing hasn't actually delivered any 787s, so it certainly hasn't surpassed the break-even point. It seems that you know as much about accounting as you do aircraft manufacturing, hotel reservations and flight bookings.

 

BTW, what is the break even point on the 787? Or don't you know that either?

Edited June 14, 2010 by CheshireTom

[MrMango 665]

Mr Mongo also failing to keep up with the news.......

 

Current figures are 30 delivered and in service, with another 3 deliveries over the next 2 months.

You are right, of course. I posted that my estimate was a guess,as I was too lazy to look up the actual numbers.

 

As for keeping up with the news, I guess that they are delivering so few ships, each timet hey do, makes the news.

 

Who wouda thunk that they would be up to one ship a month 5 years or so after the first scheduled delivery...

[Samsonite 181]

Err, in case you haven't noticed Boeing hasn't actually delivered any 787s, so it certainly hasn't surpassed the break-even point. It seems that you know as much about accounting as you do aircraft manufacturing, hotel reservations and flight bookings.

 

BTW, what is the break even point on the 787? Or don't you know that either?

Boeing has over 860, firm, ink on paper, orders for the 787. By the time deliveries start later this year Boeing will deliver more 787s in the following few months than airbust has delivered a380s in the last 2 1/2 years.

At list prices, Boeing would have to only deliver 60 to break-even, but let us consider discounts and say they will break-even at 100 airframes, which means they should break-even by the end of the first year or year and a half following the start of deliveries. It depends on how fast they get up to building 7 to 10 a month. They are already building a second assembly line for the 787.