Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

When it comes to design I think most people would agree it is hard to beat the Italians. If I was a shareholder in Boeing I would not like them blaming outside contractors. I'd say hey guys its your plane at the end of the day. Build the bugger!

[bigdelta 46]

U.S. Will Appeal Two Parts of World Trade Organization's Ruling on AirSubsidy/AirBust

 

The U.S. will appeal two parts of the World Trade Organization’s decision on European government aid for aircraft maker Airbus SAS, the U.S. Trade Representative’s office said today in a statement.

 

The U.S. didn’t say what aspects of the WTO panel decision will be challenged. The European Union said in July that it also would appeal.

 

“The June ruling was a very important victory for American aerospace workers,” Nefeterius McPherson, a spokeswoman for the office, said in a statement. “However, the panel made two mistakes, and the United States is appealing these limited findings.”

 

WTO judges said on June 30 that Airbus, a unit of European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co., benefited from the support of European governments, with aid for the A380 aircraft topping the list of violations. Judges agreed with the U.S. and Boeing Co. that loans by European governments constituted unfair aid and that in the case of the A380, the assistance constituted the strongest violation, because interest rates on loans were too low and the support was linked to export performance.

 

WTO judges are set to issue their preliminary report on the EU’s complaint about U.S. government subsidies to Boeing in September. The report is confidential.

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Hi,

 

Just in case any of you missed this great news for Airbus.

 

Cathay Pacific Airways to order 30 A350 XWBs

 

A350 will become backbone of airline's future mid-size widebody fleet

Blagnac, 04 August 2010

 

Cathay Pacific Airways today announced that it has selected the all-new A350 XWB to form the backbone of its future mid-size widebody fleet, following the signature of a Letter of Intent (LOI) with Airbus for the order of 30 aircraft.

 

The Hong Kong-based airline has selected the A350-900 variant of the aircraft, which is capable of flying over 8,000 nautical miles non-stop. This will enable Cathay Pacific to operate the aircraft across its route network, including its non-stop flights to Europe and North America. The aircraft will be powered by two new generation Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines.

 

"The A350-900 is a perfect fit for the development of our fleet. This is a mid-size long haul aircraft that is fuel efficient, and provides the kind of capacity, range and operating economics that we need to complement and enhance our existing fleet,” said Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Tony Tyler. “The delivery schedule fits our requirements very neatly. The 30 new aircraft will be deployed to replace older aircraft and grow our fleet to meet the challenges of the future.” He added: “The purchasing process has been a rigorous and competitive one which has produced the best result for Cathay Pacific at the end of the day."

 

“We are honoured that Cathay Pacific Airways as one of the most prestigious and well managed airlines in Asia has selected the all-new A350 XWB over the competitor’s offering. We are equally pleased to welcome Cathay Pacific as our first Chinese customer for the A350”, said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers. “The strength of our all-new, long-range, eco-efficient airliner has evidently ticked all the boxes in this very tough and professional evaluation. Offering a 25 per cent reduction in fuel-burn, the A350 XWB will enable Cathay Pacific to benefit from the lowest operating costs of any aircraft in this size category, while offering its passengers the highest levels of comfort and premium service for which the airline is renowned."

 

The A350 XWB (Xtra Wide-Body) Family is an all-new mid-size long range product line comprising three basic passenger versions seating between 270 and 350 passengers in typical three-class layouts. Scheduled for entry-into-service in 2013, the A350 Family is already one of most successful aircraft programmes ever, with a total of 535 firm orders already received from 33 customers worldwide.

[bigdelta 46]

Of course Cathay bought so many-they could afford to at the "subsidized" price-see previous post.

Edited August 22, 2010 by LTGTR

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Of course Cathay bought so many-they could afford to at the "subsidized" price-see previous post.

 

Hi,

 

What do you call all the money Boeing get from states to locate there ? And dont forget padded military contracts.

[bigdelta 46]

Hi,

 

What do you call all the money Boeing get from states to locate there ? And dont forget padded military contracts.

EATS/AirSubsidy gets the same wherever they locate and also from the miitary contracts.

Edited August 22, 2010 by LTGTR

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EATS/AirSubsidy gets the same wherever the locate and also from the miitary contracts.

 

Hi,

 

Same same mate as the girls say.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

From Bruce Krasting at seekingalpha.com ...

 

 

 

In my year-end forecasts for 2010 I predicted:

 

Boeing will finish a few Dreamliners but they will face many delays and problems.

 

Looks like I am going to be wrong again. There is a now a question if any of these troubled planes will be put into service this year. The latest problem is not with the body of the plane. It is the engine that is supposed to keep this beast in the air.

 

Bloomberg reported today that on August 2 the Rolls Royce Trent 1000 engine literally blew up while being tested.

 

The explosion resulted in “limited debris” being released into the test facility,” Rolls-Royce spokesman Josh Rosenstock said.

 

Uncontained failures are “extremely rare” said Paul Hayess, safety director at U.K. aviation consultants Ascend Worldwide.

 

Think of this engine blowing up. It is the size of a cement truck.

RR is attempting to make this development a ‘no big deal’. But three weeks after the explosion the testing facility has not be reopened. So how big was that explosion? From the Bloomberg article:

 

Rolls-Royce could switch testing of the Trent 1000 to other locations around the world, according to a person familiar with the programs, who declined to be identified because the information isn’t public.

 

Earlier in August Boeing (BA) said that the first delivery of the Dreamliner to All Nippon Airlines might be delayed to sometime in 2011 due to “flaws with the structure”. Now we know that the engines may explode.

 

Boeing built a plane made of fiber that has structural flaws and an engine that took out the test sight. Do you want to fly in this plane? I don’t.

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I can't wait to fly it.I just wish we had ordered some.I'm happy he won't be flying it because it leaves one more seat for me.

Engine the size of a cement truck?What an uninformed idiot Paul Hayess, safety director at U.K. aviation consultants Ascend Worldwide is.Possibly his coke-bottle think eyeglasses made it appear that size.

Krasting is a hedge fund manager.His predictions were not predictions at all-he just repeated what the majority had already said.He needs to stick with hedge fund management on his blogs-maybe something he's familiar with.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Earlier in August Boeing (BA) said that the first delivery of the Dreamliner to All Nippon Airlines might be delayed to sometime in 2011 due to “flaws with the structure”. Now we know that the engines may explode.

 

Boeing built a plane made of fiber that has structural flaws and an engine that took out the test sight. Do you want to fly in this plane? I don’t.[/i]

 

Krasting is a hedge fund manager.His predictions were not predictions at all-he just repeated what the majority had already said.He needs to stick with hedge fund management on his blogs-maybe something he's familiar with.

 

He might be a hedge fund manager, but he isn't a very good speller..

[bigdelta 46]

Boeing Launches 787 Dreamliner Flight Training; Unveils Suite of 787 Training Devices

SEATTLE, Aug. 26 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) Training & Flight Services has started 787 Dreamliner flight certification training following the provisional approval from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for Boeing's Seattle-based 787 flight training devices. As part of flight training, pilots train on a 787 flat panel training device and a 787 full-flight simulator. Both devices are manufactured by Thales.

 

"The innovations of the 787 have inspired us to develop the most effective training curriculum based on our customers' training needs matched with efficient delivery and modern simulation tools," said Sherry Carbary, vice president, Flight Services, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "With the FAA's approval on our flight training devices, we are embarking on an exciting journey toward delivering qualified and competent crews."

 

The provisional designation will be removed once the airplane is fully certified. Local FAA offices will approve training courses customized for individual operators and these may be based on provisional approvals prior to certification of the airplane.

 

"We're pleased with the progress we are making in ensuring our support products and services are ready for our customers," said Mike Fleming, 787 director of Services and Support, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "This is an exciting time for our customers and an important achievement for the entire Boeing team as we move toward delivery of the first 787."

 

There are currently eight training suites at five Boeing Training & Flight Services locations around the world in Tokyo, Singapore, Shanghai, Seattle and Gatwick, U.K.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Boeing Launches 787 Dreamliner Flight Training; Unveils Suite of 787 Training Devices

 

Probably a good move if the engines have a tendency to explode.

[bigdelta 46]

Boeing Sets 787 First Delivery Date for Mid-First Quarter 2011

EVERETT, Wash., Aug. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) Company said today that it now expects delivery of the first 787 in the middle of the first quarter 2011.

 

The delivery date revision follows an assessment of the availability of an engine needed for the final phases of flight test this fall.

 

While Boeing works closely with Rolls-Royce to expedite engine availability, flight testing across the test fleet continues as planned.

 

Boeing said last month that the cumulative impact of a series of issues, including supplier workmanship issues related to the horizontal stabilizer and instrumentation delays, could push first delivery of the 787 a few weeks into 2011. The delay in engine availability has extended that estimate to mid-first quarter 2011.

 

The schedule revision will not affect the company's financial guidance.

In fact,the stock price is up today.

 

Probably a good move if the engines have a tendency to explode.

One engine,one "explosion". Wouldn't call it a tendency considering all the testing the engine has undergone.

Edited August 27, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

One engine,one "explosion". Wouldn't call it a tendency considering all the testing the engine has undergone.

 

LOL.

 

 

 

 

On Aug. 2, a 787 engine being tested at a Rolls facility suffered a major "uncontained" failure, which did significant damage to the engine and the casing that houses it. The company has said it has detected the problem that caused the failure and will correct the issue before shipping early batches of the engines to Boeing's final assembly plant near Seattle.

 

How reassuring. Got to give the guys credit for going that extra mile.

Edited August 27, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

LOL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How reassuring. Got to give the guys credit for going that extra mile.

I guess you got confused when you were looking to post a difinition of "tendency" and instead post a difintion of "conjunction" instead.Nice try at misdirection. But that's what you usually attempt.

Edited August 27, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I guess you got confused when you were looking to post a difinition of "tendency" and instead post a difintion of "conjunction" instead.Nice try at misdirection. But that's what you usually attempt.

 

You haven't quite got the hang of this dictionary thing.

 

It's the definition of 'if'. Nice to see you fuck up once again - it's becoming a bit of a tendency lately.

[bigdelta 46]

You haven't quite got the hang of this dictionary thing.

 

It's the definition of 'if'. Nice to see you fuck up once again - it's becoming a bit of a tendency lately.

Once again,the def of "if" isn't in discussion here-what a fuck up like yourself should have done is add a def for tendency,which IS the issue.But once again a lame attempt at misdirection,which is your norm when you're called out.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Once again,the def of "if" isn't in discussion here-what a fuck up like yourself should have done is add a def for tendency,which IS the issue.But once again a lame attempt at misdirection,which is your norm when you're called out.

 

It's obviously an issue for you. Not for me.

 

if = conditional. e.g. You'd be dangerous, if you had brains. Quite obviously, you're not dangerous.

Edited August 27, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

Even someone as narrowminded as Google Tom realizes the Dreamliner has the choice of another engine besides the BRITISH Rolls Royce "bomb".The US made General Electric GEnx .

 

Flight test program

On December 15, 2009, Boeing conducted the Dreamliner's maiden flight with the first 787-8, originating from Snohomish County Airport in Everett, Washington at 10:27 am PST,and landing at Boeing Field in King County, Washington at 1:35 pm PST. Originally scheduled for four hours, the test flight was shortened to three hours because of bad weather.Boeing's schedule called for a 9-month flight test campaign (later revised to 8.5 months).The company's previous major aircraft, the 777, took 11 months with nine aircraft, partly to demonstrate 180-min ETOPS,(BTW GoogleTom,do you know what ETOPS means w/o doing your hundreth search today?) one of its main features.

 

The 787 flight test program was composed of 6 aircraft, ZA001 through ZA006, four with Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines and two with GE GEnx-1B64 engines. The second 787, ZA002 in ANA livery, flew to Boeing Field on December 22, 2009 to join the flight test program; the third 787, ZA004 joined the test fleet with its first flight on February 24, 2010, followed by ZA003 on March 14, 2010.On March 24, 2010, testing for flutter and ground effects was completed, clearing the aircraft to fly its entire flight envelope.

 

 

On April 23, 2010 Boeing delivered their latest 787 to a hangar at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida for extreme weather testing in temperatures ranging from 115 °F to -45 °F (46 °C to -42 °C), with all steps necessary to prepare for takeoff taken once the plane stabilizes at either temperature extreme.[89] On May 12, 2010 Boeing conducted the first General Electric GEnx engine runs on a Dreamliner using ZA005, the fifth 787 built and the first with the GEnx engine.On June 16, 2010, ZA005 made its first flight and joined the flight test program.[91] As of June 16, 2010, the first five 787 test aircraft have flown 1,001 hours and 25 minutes in 311 flights combined.In June 2010, gaps were discovered in the horizontal stabilizers of test aircraft, due to improperly installed shims; all aircraft produced so far were to be inspected and repaired.The 787 made its first appearance at an international air show at the Farnborough Airshow, UK on July 18, 2010

 

It's obviously an issue for you. Not for me.

 

if = conditional. e.g. You'd be dangerous, if you had brains. Quite obviously, you're not dangerous.

Good one Tommy-snappy comeback.Now back on topic.............now go back to your sole purpose here and in life-internet searches.

Edited August 27, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Even someone as narrowminded as Google Tom realizes the Dreamliner has the choice of another engine besides the BRITISH Rolls Royce "bomb".The US made General Electric GEnx .

 

The lead customer, ANA, may have a different opinion on the matter. Or do their engineers just change over to a different engine entirely?

 

Good one Tommy-snappy comeback.Now back on topic.............now go back to your sole purpose here and in life-internet searches.

 

Even by your standards, that's a pretty silly epilogue to a rambling post that you lifted from the net.

[bigdelta 46]

The lead customer, ANA, may have a different opinion on the matter. Or do their engineers just change over to a different engine entirely?

 

 

 

Even by your standards, that's a pretty silly epilogue to a rambling post that you lifted from the net.

ANA: Dreamliner delay won't hurt 2010/11 earnings

Aug 27 (Reuters) - Japan's All Nippon Airways (ANA) (9202.T) said on Friday the delayed delivery of Boeing Co's (BA.N) new 787 Dreamliner plane will have no impact on its earnings for the current business year.

 

Boeing Co (BA.N) said earlier it now expects delivery of the first Dreamliner in the middle of the first quarter 2011, owing to a delay in engine availability. [iD:nSGE67Q06R]

 

"Given the success of the flight test programme so far, it is regrettable to hear of the delay. However, we trust that the time will be used to deliver the best possible aircraft in the shortest possible time frame," ANA said.

 

ANA spokeswoman Megumi Tezuka said flight schedules for the rest of the financial year to next March, announced last week, did not include the 787 so there would be no impact on earnings for the current year.

 

She said ANA was asking Boeing for delivery dates as soon as possible beyond the first aircraft, which is now scheduled for delivery in mid-February 2011.

 

ANA called the delay "regrettable" and said it was keen to know when Boeing would be able to deliver its second 787.

 

ANA has ordered 55 of Boeing's latest jetliner, eight of which the planemaker has promised to deliver by April 2011.

Edited August 27, 2010 by LTGTR

[bigdelta 46]

The lead customer, ANA, may have a different opinion on the matter. Or do their engineers just change over to a different engine entirely?

 

The two different engine models compatible with the 787 use a standard electrical interface to allow an aircraft to be fitted with either Rolls-Royce or General Electric engines. This aims to save time and cost when changing engine types.

Since you're not familiar with the availability,the engines ARE interchangable."

When it comes to aviation in general,you're way over your head here.Just admit it and move on.

Edited August 27, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The two different engine models compatible with the 787 use a standard electrical interface to allow an aircraft to be fitted with either Rolls-Royce or General Electric engines. This aims to save time and cost when changing engine types.

Since you're not familiar with the availability,the engines ARE interchangable."

 

I'm well aware that the engines are interchangeable, however the engineers needed to work on the engines are not. Of course, ANA could just have said, "No worries, just stick on a couple of those other engines." But they didn't. I wonder why.

 

BTW, did you pick up that info (verbatim) from the net? Who would have thought!

Edited August 27, 2010 by CheshireTom

[TheFiend 1,181]

The 787 flight test program was composed of 6 aircraft, ZA001 through ZA006, four with Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines and two with GE GEnx-1B64 engines. The second 787, ZA002 in ANA livery, flew to Boeing Field on December 22, 2009 to join the flight test program; the third 787, ZA004 joined the test fleet with its first flight on February 24, 2010, followed by ZA003 on March 14, 2010.On March 24, 2010, testing for flutter and ground effects was completed, clearing the aircraft to fly its entire flight envelope.

 

Why post in the past tense? Testing hasn't finished yet......

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Why post in the past tense? Testing hasn't finished yet......

 

Because he lifted it straight from the net.