Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

LOL. My next 'big move' is downstairs. I'll see you there. Boeing has sold more then enough of the 787 to insure a profit. Airbus A380 is a big time loser.

 

Is the move to Thailand cancelled for good?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Why don't you tell us the TOTAL number of orders for each aircraft? And, while you are at

it, how many of those 36 for airbust were from Emirates and how many of the two hundred

and 30 something of the a380 that have been sold have been ordered by Emirates? Somewhere

over 40% by one airline?

Think Emirates will actually take delivery of all of them? Where are they going to get the customers?

Oh, that is right. Since they have airbus and, therefore, Europe by the balls, the airlines of those countries

will have to grin and bear it while Emirates cannibalizes their customer base.

 

C'mon, Scally. You know how stupid you end up looking when you use "will" in your posts.

[Samsonite 181]

C'mon, Scally. You know how stupid you end up looking when you use "will" in your posts.

Very sad to see you have gone completely "native."

Edited December 13, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Boeing is well over the break even point.

 

Wrong again. At least your (sic) consistent.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes the Boeing 787 has been delayed but it will fly. You can kid yourself all you want to but the 787 will turn a profit.

 

Ditto above re the use of "will".

[Samsonite 181]

Wrong again......

Well, genius, do you own a calculator?

Just do the math. IF, if, after all charges, discounts, etc., the average price of a 787 was $100,000,000.00, and that would be Deep discount,... well, figure it out.... If they don't sell another 787, they would still take in a gross amount of over 84 BILLION Dollars.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Well, genius, do you own a calculator?

Just do the math. IF, if, after all charges, discounts, etc., the average price of a 787 was $100,000,000.00, and that would be Deep discount,... well, figure it out.... If they don't sell another 787, they would still take in a gross amount of over 84 BILLION Dollars.

 

Ask mango to educate you as to what constitutes profit.

[BigDUSA 71]

Wrong again. At least your (sic) consistent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ditto above re the use of "will".

 

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Mr. Aboulafia is correct and Boeing has to sell over 1K 787 then what in God's name is the break even number for the A380? I don't see the 787 or A380 selling those number of planes for more then a few years in the future. Airbus is in deep shit if they have to wait for 1K A380 sold.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Airbus is in deep shit if they have to wait for 1K A380 sold.

 

They don't.

[Samsonite 181]

Ask mango to educate you as to what constitutes profit.

Apparently he should explain it to you as you obviously don't know the difference between "gross" and "net."

[Hub 203]

Is the move to Thailand cancelled for good?

Ouch, that stings.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Apparently he should explain it to you as you obviously don't know the difference between "gross" and "net."

 

I certainly do. Along the line it requires the cost of sales to be taken into account; you know, paying the risk-sharing partners and suppliers.

 

Or do you subscribe to the Pattaya Barowners' Guide to Accounting?

Edited December 13, 2010 by CheshireTom

[Samsonite 181]

I certainly do. Along the line it requires the cost of sales to be taken into account; you know, paying the risk-sharing partners and suppliers.

 

Or do you subscribe to the Pattaya Barowners' Guide to Accounting?

 

....if, after all charges, discounts, etc., the average price of a 787 was....

 

The price would include the "cost of goods sold," i.e., the total cost of manufacturing and delivering the product.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Samsonite

[Samsonite 181]

Yes, they are displacing 777's..... Some routes/diagrams that were previously used 777's are now getting A380's, as it the easiest/cheapest option to increase capacity without having to add additional flights. Emirates is expanding it's network all the time, hence the extra 777's.

 

The 777 was not built to be 10 across, but they build them that way if the customers order them...

Yes, "if the customers order them..."

 

 

"Air France takes delivery of 777-300ER with new business class seat

 

By Christine Boynton | December 13, 2010

 

Boeing on Wednesday delivered its 200th direct-delivery jetliner to Air France. The aircraft also launches AF’s new business-class seat; it is outfitted with 42 of the 78.74 in. (2 m.) -long lie-flat seat beds that include 15-in. (38cm.) IFE screens. The 383-seat GE90-115B-powered 777-300ER will operate its first commercial flight Dec. 20 and will be used on the carrier's Paris-Montreal service, as well as on Paris-Ho Chi Minh City beginning in January.

 

"The 777 is the backbone of our long-haul fleet," AF CCO Bruno Matheu said. "This new aircraft will support Air France's projected growth on long-haul destinations and confirm the Air France-KLM Group's European leadership position on the international network." AF will be operating a total of 61 777s for the 2011 summer season, and is scheduled to take delivery of one 777F in 2011 and 11 777-300ERs through 2015."

 

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-comp...class-seat-1210

Edited December 13, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The price would include the "cost of goods sold," i.e., the total cost of manufacturing the product.

 

Jeez, you're getting there slowly.

 

Now that you've estimated the price (sales) i.e. the first number that came into your head, you have to deduct the (estimated) cost of those sales (including payment to the risk sharing partners) to arrive at the (estimated) gross/operating profit. In short, take away the second number that comes into your head from the first number that came into your head. The number you end up with will be totally meaningless, but it'll sound good when you go onto the internet claiming to have some mystical insight into Boeing's accounts.

[Samsonite 181]

You must have failed your accounting courses, i.e., if you took any.

[BigDUSA 71]

I certainly do. Along the line it requires the cost of sales to be taken into account; you know, paying the risk-sharing partners and suppliers.

 

Or do you subscribe to the Pattaya Barowners' Guide to Accounting?

 

I subscribe to the Airbus Accounting Rules. Beg the EU taxpayer for billions of Euro's more. EU taxpayer Airbus

[CheshireTom 1,377]

You must have failed your accounting courses, i.e., if you took any.

 

Take it up with Aboulafia. He's the one your disagreeing with.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Just been watching an Air Crash Investigation program about the Manchester Airport disaster....... A P&W engined Boeing 737 suffered a catastrophic engine failure resulting in the death of 53 passengers and 2 air-crew.

 

Care to comment on that one Denny...... Since you have made such a big fuss over the RR Trent engine failure on an A380.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I subscribe to the Airbus Accounting Rules. Beg the EU taxpayer for billions of Euro's more. EU taxpayer Airbus

 

At least try and disguise your chronic xenophobia.

 

 

 

[jacko 8,813]

Just been watching an Air Crash Investigation program about the Manchester Airport disaster....... A P&W engined Boeing 737 suffered a catastrophic engine failure resulting in the death of 53 passengers and 2 air-crew.

 

Care to comment on that one Denny...... Since you have made such a big fuss over the RR Trent engine failure on an A380.

You obviously mean the incident in 1985?

A sad incident but attributed to bad repairs on a combustor can......

[TheFiend 1,181]

You obviously mean the incident in 1985?

A sad incident but attributed to bad repairs on a combustor can......

 

Yep..... but the way Big D has gone on about the Qantas RR engine failure you would think it has never happened with American built engines...... Sadly it has and on more than one occasion where passengers have died as a result of a catastrophic failure. Luckily nobody died on the Qantas flight, but the way BigD has gone on about it you would think somebody had.

[jacko 8,813]

Yep..... but the way Big D has gone on about the Qantas RR engine failure you would think it has never happened with American built engines...... Sadly it has and on more than one occasion where passengers have died as a result of a catastrophic failure. Luckily nobody died on the Qantas flight, but the way BigD has gone on about it you would think somebody had.

He just likes thumping Airbus.....

It seems to grate with him that other nations are capable of producing good aircraft.

[Samsonite 181]

...Funnily enough, the A330 has outsold it by a considerable margin over the last two years....

As usual, apples and oranges.

 

The a330, while a good airplane, doesn't compete with the B777-300ER, but with the 767. Once the 787 and 350 go into service the a330 will become "history."

Airbust tried to replace the 330 with an "improved" version of the same and called it the 350, but the airlines wouldn't go for it and after 6 revisions settled on a all new composite aircraft and called it the 350xwb... or something along those lines. Construction of the 350whatitiscalledthisweek recently started and the longest composite panel was made by Spirit AeroSystems in one of their U.S. plants. Spirit AeroSystems is a former Boeing subsidiary who continues to make the fuselage for the Boeing 737 and the forward section (section 41) of the Boeing 787.

 

"Spirit AeroSystems produces first A350 fuselage panel

 

Spirit's new plant in Kinston, N.C., has cured a carbon fiber composite panel for the longest section of the A350 XWB's center fuselage.

Posted on: 11/22/2010

 

Aviation Week reported on Nov. 22 that Spirit AeroSystems (Wichita, Kan., USA), production partner of Airbus’s composites-intensive A350 XWB commercial jet, has cured a carbon fiber composite panel that will make up the longest section of the new double-aisle jet's composite fuselage.

 

Spirit is responsible for the production of the A350 center-fuselage upper and forward-lower shells, which it produces at its new facility in Kinston, N.C., USA. These panels are then shipped to Airbus’s St. Nazaire, France, plant for assembly of the center/forward fuselage and nose sections.

 

According to the report, the 64.5-ft/19.7m long, 828-ft2/77m2 center fuselage crown panel is undergoing trimming, drilling and inspection, prior to shipping to France.

 

The report adds that final assembly of the first A350 is due to start in less than a year in Toulouse, France. The plane will make its first flight in mid-2012 and is due to enter service with Qatar Airways in the second half of 2013."

 

http://www.compositesworld.com/news/spirit...-fuselage-panel

[CheshireTom 1,377]

As usual, apples and oranges.

 

The a330, while a good airplane, doesn't compete with the B777-300ER, but with the 767.

 

Just as the 787 doesn't compete with the A380 - but you insist on comparing the two.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

He just likes thumping Airbus.....

It seems to grate with him that other nations are capable of producing good aircraft.

 

They're fucked when they decide to start complaining about Chinese subsidising their aircraft industry. I doesn't seem to have sank in that the future threat to Boeing's market share won't come from Airbus.