Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Hi,

 

I've been sceptical from the start about this plane. Must say even I've been surprised how big a mess they've made of it. Whats happened to the company that produced the 747 ?

 

The minute BigD started trumpeting the aircraft, it was doomed. Just like the Pontiac Vibe and poor Floyd Landis.

[BigDUSA 71]

The minute BigD started trumpeting the aircraft, it was doomed. Just like the Pontiac Vibe and poor Floyd Landis.

 

LMAO at tommy's lame comment.

[Samsonite 181]

I've been sceptical from the start about this plane. Must say even I've been surprised how big a mess they've made of it. Whats happened to the company that produced the 747 ?

And the 707, 727, 737, 757, 767, and the extremely popular 777, especially the 777-300ER.

I've been asking the same question on a couple of aviation boards.

IMHO, after the merger with McDonnell/Douglas, the same group that drove McDonnell into the ground somehow

got control of Boeing.....

However, the 787 will fly. It won't be much longer.

Edited May 7, 2009 by Scalawag

[TheFiend 1,181]

Oh dear!!!!!

 

Boeing Loses Major Order for 787

 

By: Gregory Polek

May 7, 2009

Aerospace Industry, Air Transport and Cargo

 

 

Boeing’s net order count for this year has returned to negative territory with the loss of another order for twenty five 787s. The cancellation, posted today on the Chicago-based company’s Orders and Deliveries web site, brings Boeing’s net order tally to negative-one and raises the number of lost orders for 787s to 57 airplanes. Earlier this year Dubai-based leasing company LCAL scrapped its order for 16, Russian airline S7 dropped an order for 15 and Hong Kong-based real-estate developer Joseph Lau cancelled his firm order for a single executive-configured model.

 

A Boeing spokesman said the customer involved in the latest 787 cancellation asked to remain unidentified.

 

Boeing also lost an order for a single 777 this week, according to the site. The spokesman said that customer asked to remain anonymous too. Last month Boeing announced plans to cut production of the 777 from seven to five per month starting in June. It has yet to signal any deviation from its plans for 787 production following certification, scheduled for next year’s first quarter. The company’s 787 order tally now stands at 861.

 

That's 57 Nightmareliners now cancelled!!!! Oh dear!!!

 

So the latest figures for the year are Boeing net orders now -1, Airbus +11.

 

At least nobody is cancelling the A380......

 

And it's interesting to see Boeing is also cutting back 777 production....... so it's not just Airbus revising delivery numbers...

[Samsonite 181]

25 out an order for 42 from a leasing company is the rumor. That still leaves over 850 orders for the 787.

 

Someone also converted a 777-200LRF order into a 777-300ER order or vice versa.

 

The 777 production cut mentioned in that story is not quite correct. If the recession continues they do plan to lower monthly output by June of 2010.

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightbl...ut-777-out.html

 

As to A380 production:

Edited May 8, 2009 by Scalawag

[wacmedia 277]

The minute BigD started trumpeting the aircraft, it was doomed.

 

Hi,

 

I think we should encourage BigD to start a share tipping service so we get to know which shares to avoid.

[BigDUSA 71]

Hi,

 

I think we should encourage BigD to start a share tipping service so we get to know which shares to avoid.

 

 

Little one,

 

Any guy who comes on a pussy forum looking for financial advice truly belongs in the chump of the month club. Welcome to the club.

[wacmedia 277]

Any guy who comes on a pussy forum looking for financial advice truly belongs in the chump of the month club. Welcome to the club.

 

Hi,

 

Well to be fair to you, you seem to have your retirement finances organised better than many on here.

[Samsonite 181]

A clear, high quality video of Dreamliner 2, in ANA livery, being moved from the paint hanger to the flight line.

It is a very nice looking aircraft.

 

http://vimeo.com/4622928

[CheshireTom 1,377]

A clear, high quality video of Dreamliner 2, in ANA livery, being moved from the paint hanger to the flight line.

It is a very nice looking aircraft.

 

http://vimeo.com/4622928

 

It looks like an overweight Pontiac Vibe with wings.

Edited May 14, 2009 by CheshireTom

[Samsonite 181]

It looks like an overweight Pontiac Vibe with wings.

One hell of a lot better looking than that flying whale, or is it the flying critoen, or.... Oh, yes! That jetliner that looks like it was built by microsoft, the Bloatliner, aka, the A380.

Edited May 14, 2009 by Scalawag

[CheshireTom 1,377]

One hell of a lot better looking than that flying whale, or is it the flying critoen, or.... Oh, yes! That jetliner that looks like it was built by microsoft, the Bloatliner, aka, the A380.

 

Vorsprung dürch Technik.

[Samsonite 181]

Vorsprung dürch Technik.

Kompletter Unsinn.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Kompletter Unsinn.

 

 

Pünktlich ünd zu Spezifikation.

Edited May 14, 2009 by CheshireTom

[wacmedia 277]

(Airbust Flying Citroen).

 

Hi,

 

If you look at the World Rally tables Citroen have 1st and 2nd in drivers table and 2 teams in the top 5 in the Manufacturers list. Not too bad eh ?

 

http://www.wrc.com/index.jsp

 

Manufacturers' championship standings

 

After 5 rounds

 

1. CITROEN TOTAL WORLD RALLY TEAM

82

 

2. BP FORD ABU DHABI WORLD RALLY TEAM

43

 

3. STOBART VK M-SPORT FORD RALLY TEAM

37

 

4. CITROEN JUNIOR RALLY TEAM

 

Drivers' championship standings

 

After 5 rounds

 

1. S. LOEB

50

 

2. D. SORDO

31

 

 

 

 

15/1/09

 

Citroen Total World Rally Team

 

Name:

Citroen Total World Rally Team

 

Based:

Versailles, France

 

Established:

1989

 

Team principal:

Olivier Quesnel

 

Current car:

Citroen C4 WRC

 

Manufacturers' titles:

2003, 2004, 2005, 2008

 

Current drivers:

Sebastian Loeb, Daniel Sordo

 

Manufacturer WRC wins:

53 at end of 2008 season

[BigDUSA 71]

Oh dear!!!!!

 

 

 

That's 57 Nightmareliners now cancelled!!!! Oh dear!!!

 

So the latest figures for the year are Boeing net orders now -1, Airbus +11.

 

At least nobody is cancelling the A380......

 

And it's interesting to see Boeing is also cutting back 777 production....... so it's not just Airbus revising delivery numbers...

 

Fifty seven cancellations is not pleasant for Boeing but the 757 still has way more orders on the books then Airbus has for the 380. Add in that Airbus still doesn't have enough orders to at least break even and Boeing does. In the long run it's game over for Airbus and Boeing wins this race.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Fifty seven cancellations is not pleasant for Boeing but the 757 still has way more orders on the books then Airbus has for the 380. Add in that Airbus still doesn't have enough orders to at least break even and Boeing does. In the long run it's game over for Airbus and Boeing wins this race.

 

The A380 and 787 are aimed at two different markets. The direct competition for the A380 is the 747 (game, set and match to Airbus) and the for the 787 it's the A350, neither of which are in service yet.

Edited May 14, 2009 by CheshireTom

[Samsonite 181]

If you look at the World Rally tables Citroen have 1st and 2nd in drivers table and 2 teams in the top 5 in the Manufacturers list. Not too bad eh ?

And that has WHAT to do with the a380, the ugliest airliner ever made?

[MrMango 667]

The A380 and 787 are aimed at two different markets. The direct competition for the A380 is the 747 (game, set and match to Airbus) and the for the 787 it's the A350, neither of which are in service yet.

Shurly you jest!

 

How many thousand 747's has Boeing sold? How much money have they made off that platform?

[Samsonite 181]

...The direct competition for the A380 is the 747 (game, set and match to Airbus)...

Not so, cPom.

 

The flying critoen has sold 200 in the NINE years since it was first offered.

 

The Boeing 747-8 has sold 100+ in FOUR years since it was first offered.

The 1,419th Boeing 747 rolled off the production line a week or so ago, and there are 3 of the new 747-8s in various stages of assembly.

 

The airplane that is replacing the Boeing 747 at those airlines that need the long haul capacity of a very large aircraft, is Boeing's own 777-300ER, not the A380.

 

Why are airlines buying an aircraft with fewer seats than the 747? Because they don't have the need for more seats.

It is pretty simple when you do the math.

The 777-300ER uses two engines instead of 4, like the B7747 and the A380, so it uses less fuel. It weight 100,000 pounds less than a 747-400, about 400,000 pounds less than an A380, and it carries over 1,000 cu.ft. more cargo than the 777-400. The A380 has little to no room for cargo, other than passenger luggage.

So, the 777-300ER uses less fuel since it has two engines and weights less, carries almost the same number of passengers as the 747-400, and carries more cargo. Cargo is where the money is, not passengers.

The 777-300ER can be configured, depending on the airline and how greedy they are, to carry almost as many passengers as a 747-400. Air France and KLM are notorious for cramming as many people as possible into their aircraft.

 

At least seven airlines, including Emirates, have ordered the smaller 777-200LR for their ultra longer haul routes. The 777-200LR, has the same engines, wings, and landing

gear as the 777-300ER, but the shorter fuselage of the 777-200ER.

 

To date 1,112 Boeing 777s, all models, have been sold. Of that, 408 are the 777-300ER, which first went into service in 2004. Of that 408, 185 have been delivered, leaving a backlog of 223, and the orders continue to roll in.

 

The 777-200LR, which went into service in 2006 has sold 50. The 777F, based on the 777-200LR, which just went into service February of this year, has sold 72 to date.

 

How many A380 have been delivered? 14. Again, how many A380 have been sold? 200. Again, when was the A380 first offered for sale? NINE years ago.

 

You are going to have to see a major improvement in the world wide economy and, therefore, demand for air travel before you seen an increase in demand from the airlines for more flying critoens (A380s). The A380 and the A400M have Airbust between the old rock and a hard spot. If they weren't funded by the various European governments, one of those programs would have be canceled. At least the A400M project. As it is, ultimately, both programs will probably survive.

 

BTW, cPom, how is the A380 doing? After some initial fanfare, both the airlines who have taken delivery and Airbust have gone very quiet as to its performance and you know how airbust just loves to crow.

Edited May 14, 2009 by Scalawag

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Not so, cPom.

 

The flying critoen has sold 200 in the NINE years since it was first offered.

 

The Boeing 747-8 has sold 100+ in FOUR years since it was first offered.

The 1,419th Boeing 747 rolled off the production line a week or so ago, and there are 3 of the new 747-8s in various stages of assembly.

 

The airplane that is replacing the Boeing 747 at those airlines that need the long haul capacity of a very large aircraft, is Boeing's own 777-300ER, not the A380.

 

Why are airlines buying an aircraft with fewer seats than the 747? Because they don't have the need for more seats.

It is pretty simple with you do the math.

The 777-300ER uses two engines instead of 4, like the B7747 and the A380, so it uses less fuel. It weight 100,000 pounds less than a 747-400, about 400,000 pounds less than an A380, and it carries over 1,000 cu.ft. more cargo than the 777-400. The A380 has little to no room for cargo, other than passenger luggage.

So, the 777-300ER uses less fuel since it has two engines and weights less, carries almost the same number of passengers as the 747-400, and carries more cargo. Cargo is where the money is, not passengers.

The 777-300ER can be configured, depending on the airline and how greedy they are, to carry almost as many passengers as a 747-400. Air France and KLM are notorious for cramping as many people as possible into their aircraft.

 

At least seven airlines, including Emirates, have ordered the smaller 777-200LR for their ultra longer haul routes. The 777-200LR, has the same engines, wings, and landing

gear as the 777-300ER, but the shorter fuselage of the 777-200ER.

 

To date 1,112 Boeing 777s, all models, have been sold. Of that, 408 are the 777-300ER, which first went into service in 2004. Of that 408, 185 have been delivered, leaving a backlog of 223, and the orders continue to roll in.

 

The 777-200LR, which went into service in 2006 has sold 50. The 777F, based on the 777-200LR, which just went into service February of this year, has sold 72 to date.

 

How many A380 have been delivered? 14. Again, how many A380 have been sold? 200. Again, when was the A380 first offered for sale? NINE years ago.

 

You are going to have to see a major improvement in the world wide economy and, therefore, demand for air travel before you seen an increase in demand from the airlines for more flying critoens (A380s). The A380 and the A400M have Airbust between the old rock and a hard spot. If they weren't funded by the various European governments, one of those programs would have be canceled. At least the A400M project. As it is, ultimately, both programs will probably survive.

 

BTW, cPom, how is the A380 doing? After some initial fanfare, both the airlines who have taken delivery and Airbust have gone very quiet as to its performance and you know how airbust just loves to crow.

 

Not bad for the world's #2 aircraft producer.

[BigDUSA 71]

Not bad for the world's #2 aircraft producer.

 

Once again Tom has no answer and it shows.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Once again Tom has no answer and it shows.

 

No answer for what. The #2 aircraft producer is having a hard time in the current economic climate. Same, same as the #1 producer.

[TheFiend 1,181]

The Boeing 747-8 has sold 100+ in FOUR years since it was first offered.

 

The 1,419th Boeing 747 rolled off the production line a week or so ago, and there are 3 of the new 747-8s in various stages of assembly.

 

Most of those order were in the year after it was announced.......... And apart from VIP jets nobody has ordered one for 18 months

 

Lufthansa deliveries for the Dinosaur Intercontinental were supposed to start next year....... that won't happen...... it'll be late..... just like the Nightmareliner.....

 

And funny how nobody else has ordered the passenger version.... Looks like passenger airlines don't want it...... they would rather go for the A380 for the VLA sector of the market.

 

I am quite looking forward to flying into BKK on an A380....... Not long to go until June 1st...

[Samsonite 181]

...And funny how nobody else has ordered the passenger version.... Looks like passenger airlines don't want it...... they would rather go for the A380 for the VLA sector of the market...

Well, if they are not buying the 747-8i, why isn't there a mad rush to buy the A380? There just isn't the need, in the eyes of most airlines, for that big of an aircraft.

 

For many years the only aircraft with both size and range was the 747. Now that there are other planes available, e.g., the 767, 777, A330, A340, and soon the 787, there is no need, for many airlines, to buy anything larger.

 

IIRC, only two of the U.S. owned airlines even own 747s. United and Delta and Delta didn't own any until they acquired them as a result of the merger with Northwest.

 

Of the longer range Airbust models, only the A330 is selling well. The A340 is just about dead. Too bad, it was a nice looking airplane.

 

There is at least one airline that has announced they are going to start flying transatlantic with the Boeing 737-900ER and many have been doing it for years with the 757.

 

In other words, there is little need for an aircraft much bigger than a 777.

 

It will take a small miracle for Airbust to break even on the A380 and, if they do, it will take 20 years or more to do it. A privately owned company couldn't afford to make a product for that long and not turn a profit.

Edited May 14, 2009 by Scalawag