Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

A good friend spent 21 years flying jumbo jets before he retired, including the Boeing 747 and the airbust A340. It was just a job to him (I don't think he has any idea how lucky he was) and he really didn't care for it, which is why, IMHO, he preferred airbust products, but he did say that Boeing aircraft do have a smoother ride than airbust airliners.

 

He would also readily admit when flying the A340 he was a "systems manager" or "computer operator" not really a pilot.

He spent 60% of his time in the cockpit monitoring the LCD screens and when practicing emergency maneuvers in the

simulators they weren't practicing how to fly the plane, but what to tell the computer to do in a given situation.

Does sound like a computer operator, doesn't it?

 

I have a friend who ............. LOL.

 

Well, I didn't know quite how to get down to your level, but I gave it a go.

 

Careful! Otherwise, we'll remind you of some of your dafter quotes.

Edited June 26, 2009 by CheshireTom

[CheshireTom 1,377]

airbust had 119 cancellations last year (2008).

 

Largely offset by new orders i.e. cancelling A350 orders and replacing them with A350 XWB orders. Boeing is likely to see over 100 cancellations for the 787 with no compensating orders.

[TheFiend 1,181]

The Qantas cancellation means there have now been 73 Nightmareliners cancelled.

[Samsonite 181]

Largely offset by new orders i.e. cancelling A350 orders and replacing them with A350 XWB orders. Boeing is likely to see over 100 cancellations for the 787 with no compensating orders.

And with typical airbust bullshit... excuse me... hype, turned right around and claimed those orders for the previous 4 or 5 versions of the A350 made the "new" A350whatever-it-is-called-this-week the fastest selling new aircraft.

Edited June 27, 2009 by Scalawag

[Samsonite 181]

Admin. Please delete. Duplicate.

Edited June 26, 2009 by Scalawag

[CheshireTom 1,377]

And with typical airbust bullshit... excuse me... hype, turned right around and claimed those orders for the previous 4 or 5 versions of the A350 made the "new" A350whatever-it-is-called-this-week the fastest selling new aircraft.

 

You sound bitter.

[wacmedia 277]

Admin. Please delete. Duplicate.

Thanks.

 

Admin. Please delete. Duplicate.

 

Hi,

 

I think he's completely lost it at last. Makes more sense than your usual posts.

[Samsonite 181]

I think he's completely lost it at last. Makes more sense than your usual posts.

Since you are our resident rocket scientist you will understand that when you click on "add reply" and nothing happens, you click on it again? The second time it happened I actually went and made a cup of coffee and a sandwich and came back to the computer to find it just as I left it. Trouble somewhere along the Internet I imagine.

Edited June 28, 2009 by Scalawag

[eltib 54]

Since you are our resident rocket scientist you will understand that when you click on "add reply" and nothing happens, you click on it again? The second time it happened I actually went and made a cup of coffee and a sandwich and came back to the computer to find it just as I left it. Trouble somewhere along the Internet I imagine.

 

More like operator error.

[gunzel3808 113]

They are both shithouse. A pox on both their houses!

[Samsonite 181]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/...-two-years.html

 

"Air Transport

DATE:03/07/09

SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news

 

British Airways pushes back A380 deliveries by up to two years

By David Kaminski-Morrow

 

British Airways is pushing back its Airbus A380 delivery schedule, with some later aircraft being postponed by at least two years.

 

The UK flag-carrier is also planning to take six more aircraft in its current fleet out of service during the 2010 season.

 

BA has 12 A380s on order but says it has "extended" the arrival schedule for the first six by an average of five months.

 

It says, however, that the first A380 is still expected to arrive in spring 2012, ahead of the London Olympic Games.

 

But the delivery of the final six has been extended by two years, on average, until autumn 2016.

 

The carrier had originally been expecting to take delivery of four aircraft per year and complete the introduction of all 12 by autumn 2014.

 

BA has also stated today that it will ground its last three 757-200s in summer 2010 and another three Boeing 747-400s in winter 2010.

 

All the fleet changes follow a review of BA's business plan in the "challenging economic conditions".

 

BA is expecting to cut capacity by 3.5% over the summer 2009 season, compared with a previous estimate of 2.5%, and by 5% over winter 2009-10.

 

In May, BA stated that it would ground 16 aircraft for the upcoming winter, a total of eight 757-200s and eight 747-400s."

[wacmedia 277]

In May, BA stated that it would ground 16 aircraft for the upcoming winter, a total of eight 757-200s and eight 747-400s."

 

Hi,

 

I'd say the next time these 747's fly they will be freight only.

[spacebass 0]

The Impossible Dream (Liner). Parenthesis are mine

 

http://www.lonelyscientist.com/?page_id=18

 

[wacmedia 277]

The Impossible Dream (Liner). Parenthesis are mine

 

http://www.lonelyscientist.com/?page_id=18

 

 

Hi,

 

Ta for the link. No time to read it at moment but have read about the problems in the past. With the lack of demand at the moment it would be a good time for the manufacturers to restructure and rethink their processes. Cost lots of money though.

[Samsonite 181]

I'd say the next time these 747's fly they will be freight only.

Possible, but it depends on how quickly the economy turns around and business picks up. It if happens sooner than later, and you factor in the lag time in manufacturing and/or leasing new aircraft, British Air may have to return those 747s to passenger service.

[TheFiend 1,181]

A380 deliveries getting postponed isn't as bad as getting cancelled.....

 

What's Borings net orders for 2009? Is it +1 still???

Edited July 9, 2009 by TheFiend

[CheshireTom 1,377]

A380 deliveries getting postponed isn't as bad as getting cancelled.....

 

What's Borings net order for 2009? Is it +1 still???

 

I wonder how many A350 XWB sales will be on the board by the time the 787 is actually delivered to its first customer. You've got to say that Boeing missed a trick somewhere along the line.

[joekicker 53]

Heh, headline of the day

 

THAI stuck with Airbus jumbo

 

Thai Airways International (THAI) has no other options but to keep its order for six Airbus 380 megajets it wanted to cancel as doing so would lead to huge adverse consequences.

 

more at This Bangkok Post link

Edited July 10, 2009 by joekicker

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Heh, headline of the day

 

THAI stuck with Airbus jumbo

 

Thai Airways International (THAI) has no other options but to keep its order for six Airbus 380 megajets it wanted to cancel as doing so would lead to huge adverse consequences.

 

more at This Bangkok Post link

 

LOL. They're not very good at this airplane lark, are they? I don't think they've been able to get rid of the A340-500s that they got for their US routes.

[Samsonite 181]

A380 deliveries getting postponed isn't as bad as getting cancelled.....

Both Federal Express and UPS completely canceled their A380 orders quite a while back. As a result airbust put the whole A380F project on the back shelf.

 

So far this year, Boeing has had fewer cancellations than airbust had last year.

[joekicker 53]

So far this year, Boeing has had fewer cancellations than airbust had last year.

 

Heh. Hard to see how you could get more successful than that.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

So far this year, Boeing has had fewer cancellations than airbust had last year.

 

LOL. I'll keep that one in my list of Scally's Greatest Quotes ...........

[wacmedia 277]

Heh. Hard to see how you could get more successful than that.

 

Hi,

 

Don't kick the man when he is down joe.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

More good news for the Dreamliner .........

 

 

Air Berlin says it may cancel its order for 25 Boeing 787s. Delays in the program are “everything but satisfactory,” CFO Ulf Huettmeyer says. “It’s no fun anymore.”

 

Germany’s second-largest airline plans to make a decision in the next few months. The decision will be based not only on the program status, but also on its own long-haul strategy.

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

At least someone has put their hands up.

 

Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:25pm CDT

Boeing’s Carson on quitting:

 

787’s new schedule big reason Wichita Business Journal - by the Puget Sound Business Journal

When Boeing Co. announced last week that the first flight of the oft-delayed 787 would take place before the end of this year, Scott Carson, CEO of Boeing’s Commercial Airplanes Division, was planning his exit.

 

On Monday, Carson, 63, said he’ll step down at the end of the year and on Tuesday, he handed over the day-to-day operations of the Seattle operation to Jim Albaugh, formerly head of Boeing’s St. Louis-based Integrated Defense Systems.

 

Carson made it clear that the new 787 schedule was the big reason that he decided to leave Boeing, a company where he’s spent the last 41 years.

 

In a letter to employees that he titled “an incredible journey,” Carson wrote that “My decision is tied to many factors, but perhaps the most important reason for me was resetting the schedule on the 787. With this baseline in place the new leader will have a clear path forward.”

 

Carson is also turning over to Albaugh a decision with huge import for Washington state’s economy: When 787 production is up and running, Boeing has said it will need to create a second production line to keep up with demand. That production line could end up outside of Washington, and state officials fear that it could end up in South Carolina, where Boeing recently acquired a major 787 supplier.

 

Carson is also leaving after more certainty has been assigned to the total development costs of the 787. Boeing said last week that the first three 787s that it’s building in Everett will cost the company a total of $2.5 billion, or a $2.21-per-share charge it will take in the third quarter. The news was cheered by investors as the stock soared more than 8 percent in Aug. 27 trading.

 

Wichita-based Spirit AeroSystems Inc. makes the forward fuselage section of the 787 and the pylons that hold the engines.