Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[Samsonite 181]

Predictions, predictions. You know your track record ain't very good.

One of them will become true in the not too distance future. I'll let you know. BTW, how do you like your crow served?

[Hub 203]

I hope you were on leftie at the weekend ...

 

I did, and he was an underdog to Woods. Unfortunately, the EPL wasn't as kind to me.

 

FYI (in response to the assumed punch line to your post), I've been buying BA all along and started making profit again when it went over 63 and change. Currently up 11.41% on it and expecting it to be 100 again by the end of 2011.

 

Time for a trip to Posiedon!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

One of them will become true eventually ...

 

I concur.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Tom..... the third stooge is back!!!

Edited April 15, 2010 by TheFiend

[Samsonite 181]

Tom..... the third stooge is back!!!

And there you have it. Pom, Wacky and the Fiend, The Three Stooges.

[BigDUSA 71]

And there you have it. Pom, Wacky and the Fiend, The Three Stooges.

 

Good call.

[TheFiend 1,181]

And there you have it. Pom, Wacky and the Fiend, The Three Stooges.

 

Ha ha..... not even original.....

 

The original 3 stooges were in named in 2007 as BigBunky, MrMongo and Scallywally aka Samsonite....

[Samsonite 181]

The original 3 stooges were in named in 2007 as BigBunky, MrMongo and Scallywally...

Was that "official" announcement posted?

Guess we could call you, Pom and Wacky airbust kool-aid kids (drinkers).

Edited April 16, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Was that "official" announcement posted?

Guess we could call you, Pom and Wacky airbust kool-aid drinkers.

 

Whatever.

 

Why? It's quite fun baiting the 3 Boeing stooges - BigD, Scallywally and MrMongo

Edited April 15, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

(AP) — Budget airline Ryanair says aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co. does not want to fulfill its request for planes with more seats and fewer toilets because it believes that would compromise passenger safety.

 

Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary says he still hopes to convince Boeing that removing two toilets and adding six seats would not slow down emergency evacuations.

 

A spokeswoman for Chicago-based Boeing said the company did not discuss conversations with customers.

 

Keen to cut costs, the airline says it also wants passengers to pay to use the toilets on its short flights within Europe.

QUOTE

 

 

[TheFiend 1,181]

(AP) — Budget airline Ryanair says aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co. does not want to fulfill its request for planes with more seats and fewer toilets because it believes that would compromise passenger safety.

 

Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary says he still hopes to convince Boeing that removing two toilets and adding six seats would not slow down emergency evacuations.

 

A spokeswoman for Chicago-based Boeing said the company did not discuss conversations with customers.

 

Keen to cut costs, the airline says it also wants passengers to pay to use the toilets on its short flights within Europe.

QUOTE

 

 

 

Still struggling with quotes I see"

 

So how would adding 6 seats compromise safety? They want to upseat for short haul flights within Europe. Ryanair sell cheap seats and then add charges for extras that other airlines include in the price. It is a formula that their customers seem to like - ideal for cheap trips around Europe. In fleet size it is one of the largest airlines in Europe, so it is hardly a small airline.

 

Ryanair has always been a Boeing buyer, it runs a fleet of 232 737-800 with the oldest being 7.5 years old, and an average age of 3 years. It is still waiting delivery of another 18.

 

If Boeing won't deliver what the customer wants, then perhaps they will look elsewhere - like Airbus. Perhaps the Airbus 321-100 would suit their needs better.

[BigDUSA 71]

Still struggling with quotes I see"

 

So how would adding 6 seats compromise safety? They want to upseat for short haul flights within Europe. Ryanair sell cheap seats and then add charges for extras that other airlines include in the price. It is a formula that their customers seem to like - ideal for cheap trips around Europe. In fleet size it is one of the largest airlines in Europe, so it is hardly a small airline.

 

Ryanair has always been a Boeing buyer, it runs a fleet of 232 737-800 with the oldest being 7.5 years old, and an average age of 3 years. It is still waiting delivery of another 18.

 

If Boeing won't deliver what the customer wants, then perhaps they will look elsewhere - like Airbus. Perhaps the Airbus 321-100 would suit their needs better.

 

Boeing 737-800 seats 160 passengers with three toilets. Add six seats and cut the number of toilets to one. I'm glad Boeing doesn't want to do it. If Airbus is willing to do this. Shame on them. One toilet for 166 passengers plus crew is not enough.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Boeing 737-800 seats 160 passengers with three toilets. Add six seats and cut the number of toilets to one. I'm glad Boeing doesn't want to do it. If Airbus is willing to do this. Shame on them. One toilet for 166 passengers plus crew is not enough.

 

Ryanair seats 189 pax (the maximum currently allowed) on its 737-800s already.

Edited April 16, 2010 by CheshireTom

[TheFiend 1,181]

Boeing 737-800 seats 160 passengers with three toilets. Add six seats and cut the number of toilets to one. I'm glad Boeing doesn't want to do it. If Airbus is willing to do this. Shame on them. One toilet for 166 passengers plus crew is not enough.

 

Sorry BigBunky, you should check your facts before posting.

 

Ryanair seats 189 pax (the maximum currently allowed) on its 737-800s already.

 

Personally I have never used Ryanair, but many people do. They have become one of the biggest European airlines in passenger numbers by offering no frills cheap flights.

 

Perhaps they will follow Easyjet and transfer allegiance to Airbus.

[Samsonite 181]

...you should check your facts before posting....

As should you. It is starting to appear that Pom, Wacky and the Fiend are one and the same person.

 

 

Pay Toilets On Ryanair? Nope.

Posted by Andrew Compart at 4/13/2010 4:20 PM CDT

 

Ryanair's latest supposed proclamation about in-flight pay toilets generated a slew of news stories and blog rants. But considering the history of this this hype, at a carrier whose leader likes to create controversy to help brand Ryanair as cheap, I shied away from saying much about it. I talked to Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamamara yesterday, and it turns out my skepticism was justified.

 

First, let's review the history. Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary began talking about the pay toilet possibility in February 2009, as you can hear in this BBC interview. But, as I noted in this blog post at the time, the airline's spokesman backtracked a bit, and O'Leary has a long history of bluster. By early March 2009, even O'Leary admitted he just talked about pay toilets to get publicity for the carrier, when he told a tourism conference it would be technically impossible and legally difficult to do, the Irish Times reported at the time.

 

Of course, that did not stop the airline from trying to wring some more publicity out of it. Just days after O'Leary essentially confessed, the carrier started an online contest for ideas along the lines of what the airline described as its ongoing consideration of a toilet charge.

 

O'Leary raised the pay toilet idea again in June 2009. He also started talking about charging for toilets in conjunction with reducing the number of toilets on plane from three to one, to free up room for six more seats.

 

That faded, too -- until now, when, in the March/April issue of its in-flight magazine, Ryanair put in a small item about its "Cost Saving Proposal: Toilet Charge." In that item, Ryanair says it is "developing this cost-saving option" for flights of one hour or less and "is working with Boeing to develop a coin-operated door release." The airline says in the item that it hopes the pay toilet would reduce passenger usage, enabling it to remove two of the three toilets to make room for six more seats.

 

That's what started the stories that Ryanair pay toilets were inevitable and imminent.

 

But it's neither.

 

I'm not one to put anything past Ryanair, which elliminated seatback pockets because they create trash, decided to forego reclining seats because they require maintenance, and got rid of airport check-in counters. But reasons for skepticism remained. O'Leary and Ryanair also has bloviated in the past about standing-room only seats, as well as a "fat tax" and having all customers carry their checked baggage all the way to the plane.

 

There is plenty of reason for skepticism on the pay toilets, too. Boeing has not confirmed it is developing a lavatory door with a credit card swipe. Ryanair sells drinks on its flights, and a toilet fee would discourage consumption. And with 189 seats on its Boeing 737-800 aircraft, Ryanair is already at the maximum. If it is going to remove lavatories to add six extra seats, the aircraft will have to be recertified for 195 seats.

 

When I talked to McNamara yesterday, he complained the media had "misrepresented" what Ryanair actually said in the in-flight magazine (a complaint I could not take all that seriously, considering how Ryanair likes to fan the flames). But here's the crux of the matter: McNamara says the pay toilet idea O'Leary went public with in February 2009 "has not moved in any way, shape or form" since then, although Ryanair officials "continue to feel it's something we should explore with Boeing." The idea itself, he says, remains "very much up in the air" and "is not a priority for Ryanair."

 

Could it happen this year? "Certainly not," McNamara says. Next year? "Probably not," he says.

 

Personally, I wouldn't bet on it happening in 2012 either, although I suspect we'll hear about it again many times before then. Besides, the idea that it IS going to happen, and soon, is so ingrained in the media culture right now that it has probably become one of those false assumptions that will continually make its way into stories, commentaries and blog posts; it's just too good of a "fact" to leave out of a story about airline fees going too far -- just as ABC News does, today, in this story. Heck, the U.S. Congress might even hold a hearing on it. Such a waste of time.

 

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/comme...mentId=blogDest

Edited April 16, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

And with 189 seats on its Boeing 737-800 aircraft, Ryanair is already at the maximum. If it is going to remove lavatories to add six extra seats, the aircraft will have to be recertified for 195 seats.

 

Thanks for the confirmation.

[bigdelta 46]

Since we're way off topic,anybody fly the 777-200LR yet?Longest distance bird out there.

Delta is using it Atlanta-Narita.

[TheFiend 1,181]

As should you.

What I said was the idea of 6 extra seats was for short haul routes..... your quoted article just confirms that.

 

Ryanair is a bums on seats business - they offer very cheap flights and make money on the extras like luggage, drinks and meals. Lower running costs means they make more money. They are one of the largest carriers in Europe for passenger numbers, so they must be doing something right.

 

It is starting to appear that Pom, Wacky and the Fiend are one and the same person.

 

Blooming heck Scallywally, you're starting to sound like Bunkys mate Jack Corbett

[Samsonite 181]

What I said was the idea of 6 extra seats was for short haul routes..... your quoted article just confirms that.

Has reading comprehension always been a problem for you?

[TheFiend 1,181]

Has reading comprehension always been a problem for you?

 

Don't have a problem with comprehesion....

[drumoak 0]

(AP) — Budget airline Ryanair says aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co. does not want to fulfill its request for planes with more seats and fewer toilets because it believes that would compromise passenger safety.

 

Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary says he still hopes to convince Boeing that removing two toilets and adding six seats would not slow down emergency evacuations.

 

A spokeswoman for Chicago-based Boeing said the company did not discuss conversations with customers.

 

Keen to cut costs, the airline says it also wants passengers to pay to use the toilets on its short flights within Europe.

QUOTE

 

 

 

It seems unlikely that Boeing will yield to Michael O'Leary. While adding six seats may not noticeably effect the evacuation time of the aircraft, it may require Boeing to have the aircraft recertified. I believe that legislation allows for up to a 5% increase in seating capacity, provided that no structural changes are made to the aircraft. Removing the toilets at the back of the aircraft would clearly be a structural change and require a costly recertification. Additionally the toilets are often used by airlines to store rubbish bags during landing, I am not aware of an alternative to this.

[bigdelta 46]

Back on topic for a minute.............

EVERETT, Wash., April 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) granted Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) expanded type inspection authorization (TIA) today, clearing the way for its personnel to fully participate in future test flights and for the collection of required flight-test data. Initial TIA was granted Feb. 11, which supported the collection of flutter certification data.

 

The expanded TIA marks the FAA's confirmation that the airplane and team are ready to collect additional certification data. Boeing achieved the expansion by demonstrating the readiness of the airplane throughout a variety of speeds, altitudes and configurations.

 

"This TIA expansion is another significant step toward delivering airplanes to our customers. We remain on track to deliver the first airplane to ANA this year," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, Commercial Airplanes.

 

In addition to receiving expanded TIA, Boeing finalized the aerodynamic configuration of the 787.

 

"We have completed sufficient testing to decide that no additional changes to the external lines or shape of the airplane are required," said Fancher. "Having an airplane match its expected performance with so few changes is rare and speaks to the maturity of the design."

 

The 787 flight-test fleet logged its 500th hour of flying April 16. On Sunday, ZA003, the flight-test airplane outfitted with interior elements, landed in Florida, where it will go through extreme weather testing at McKinley Climatic Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base.

 

Boeing released two videos highlighting flutter and ground effects testing. These videos feature commentary by the pilots and the chief project engineer and are available on http://www.boeing.com/ and http://www.newairplane.com/.

[Hub 203]

Intraday Highlights for Wed April 21, 2010

Focus stocks/topics: BA

 

 

Boeing (BA, 1-OW/Pos, $73.88) Joe Campbell

Boeing reported $0.70 vs. $0.86 a year ago and better than our high end of the range forecast of $0.68; consensus was $0.64 per share. More than all of the better than expected performance was in Commercial Aircraft results while Defense, BCC and Other were somewhat less than our expectations. Neither the 2010 Q1 results nor the Q1 commentary from Boeing suggested any additional new financial challenges with the 787 and 747 programs, in our view much to the relief of investors, and commercial margins before R&D were stronger than we believe were expected by the street. Boeing adjusted full year guidance down by the $0.20 change in the tax rate due to new health care legislation. Given that it is early in the year and given the nature of the uncertainty in Boeing full year performance is related to new programs, despite beating the consensus, Boeing did not raise full year guidance, just as we would expect. All in all, the Boeing results didn’t reveal any new problems on development programs, which we have cautiously been concerned about in recent weeks.

( https://live.barcap.com/go/research/content...PubID=FC1589194 )

 

_________________________

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

It's hard to find anything negative about Boeing in the American bootlicking British press. They usually reserve the negative comments for anything associated with Europe. However, a bad news story on the BBC website. Eggs in one basket comes to mind and when that basket is the much delayed Nightmareliner I feel they will be depending more and more on their overpriced military contracts to make money.

 

Boeing profit hit by fewer deliveries

 

 

US planemaker Boeing has reported a 15% fall in profits for the first three months of 2010 after it delivered fewer aircraft.

 

It made $519m (£337m) in the period after sales fell 8% to $15.2bn.

 

However, it said it was still on track to deliver its first 787 Dreamliner plane by the end of the year.

 

The jet - on which Boeing's future is heavily reliant - began test flights late last year and the firm said the fleet had accumulated 500 flight hours.

 

The commercial airplanes unit delivered 108 planes during the quarter, down from 121 a year earlier, with sales income falling by 13%.

 

Revenue at its defence arm slipped by 1%.

 

Fuel-efficient

 

Boeing has orders for 866 of the Dreamliner from 57 customers - and the sooner it can begin delivering the jets, the sooner it gets paid.

 

Some analysts had expressed concerns that delivery of the 787 would be pushed back to 2011.

 

The project has been delayed by two-and-a-half years following a series of hitches, including design problems.

 

Boeing has pegged its hopes to the Dreamliner, which promises to be one of the world's most fuel-efficient planes - thanks to its lightweight design. Made of carbon and titanium, it should reduce fuel consumption as well as save on maintenance costs.

 

The design aims to make the plane nimble and able to fly long distances without refuelling.

 

Its arch-rival, Airbus, also has a lightweight craft in development. Its A350 plane will also be made primarily from carbon-composite materials.

 

Airbus is also targeting a different market with its giant A380, a craft that can carry far larger numbers of passengers although it is limited to flying to those airports that are equipped for the double-decker aircraft.

 

The 787 was first unveiled in July 2007 and is Boeing's first all-new jet since 1995.

 

The newness of the Dreamliner design has meant a steep learning curve for Boeing and that, together with the fact that the company ventured into wide-ranging outsourcing for the first time, has led to a number of problems.

 

Early delays to the 787 project were caused by shortages of parts and the difficulties of bringing together fuselage and wing structures from Japan, Italy and elsewhere in the US.

[Hub 203]

Hi,

 

It's hard to find anything negative about Boeing in the American bootlicking British press. They usually reserve the negative comments for anything associated with Europe. However, a bad news story on the BBC website. Eggs in one basket comes to mind and when that basket is the much delayed Nightmareliner I feel they will be depending more and more on their overpriced military contracts to make money.

 

Boeing profit hit by fewer deliveries

 

 

US planemaker Boeing has reported a 15% fall in profits for the first three months of 2010 after it delivered fewer aircraft.

 

Well Wac:

 

I would still take a slight reduction in PROFITS rather than a billion dollar loss.

 

EADS LOSES MONEY

 

And with the 787 about to start rolling out, I think we will see even more of a separation in the two companies, regardless of the illegal subsidies EADs has been cited for.