Disturbing from the farang motorbike thread

[thedodger 2]

testing the link and if it works on Chrome i came across a story about the van crash last week.

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2010/12...ire-over-crash/

 

concerning is these abstracts...

The 16-year-old driver of a Honda sedan involved in a fatal tollway crash on Monday night has come under strong criticism after a photo showing her using a smart phone moments after the accident was circulated on the internet.

 

Critics say the girl, identified as Orachorn “Prae-wa” Thephasadin Na Ayudhya, was standing on the tollway chatting on her smart phone even as victims lay dying 20m below her. At 16, she is not old enough to hold a driver’s licence.

and..

Nat insisted his sister was not chatting with friends on her Blackberry phone as widely believed.

 

“I talked to her about the photo which is circulating on the internet,” he said.

 

“She was calling her father. She wasn’t chatting on BB.”

 

His family would call a news conference about the affair but he did not specify when. “My father is a soldier. He is a man of justice. He teaches discipline, integrity and justice.”

 

didn't teach her not to drive underage with no license and who's car is it, her's at 16???

[MM 6,562]

Makes a lot of sense to me to sms a friend or relative after an accident. That's what she was doing.

As for being too young to have a licence, yeah that might be an issue.

[pfotoguy 3]

If it was in the USA she'd be calling her lawyer. My question would be was she using it while driving?

[Fondles 94]

It is alleged she was updating her twitter status and not texting.

 

"I just hit the van a minute. don't know how many people die 555 (hahaha) so exciting will upload picture"........................

[joekicker 53]

Makes a lot of sense to me to sms a friend or relative after an accident. That's what she was doing.

As for being too young to have a licence, yeah that might be an issue.

 

Absolutely. She took a lot of heat for using her phone to notify authorities, family and insurance. There's a question or who bumped who and so on, but using her phone is the SMART thing to be doing, and helpful to others as well as her. She is underage to drive, but it's a pretty minor offence on its own. In lots of places she'd have had her licence for a year after all.

 

Seems from this morning's paper to be pretty level-headed -- apologised, went to see the survivors, etc.

 

It is alleged she was updating her twitter status and not texting.

 

Anything can be alleged. No updated Facebook, Twitter or similar account has been seen, so far. And she simply flat denies it. So to those who allege this, put up and show us the updates, or shut up, that's my opinion. It's a simple fact of whether she did or not. Same as thie forum -- whatever the content, there's a post at that time, or there isn't.

 

This is the time, by the way, from the infamous photo that "proved" she was updating Twitter or whatever. What does it prove to you?

 

 

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Edited January 1, 2011 by joekicker

[Fondles 94]

Anything can be alleged. No updated Facebook, Twitter or similar account has been seen, so far. And she simply flat denies it. So to those who allege this, put up and show us the updates, or shut up, that's my opinion. It's a simple fact of whether she did or not. Same as thie forum -- whatever the content, there's a post at that time, or there isn't.

 

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Oh my we do have a smart tongue don't we Mr Kicker, you had best take it up with those whom alleged the twitter update...google it and ye shall find.

[rightsaid 44]

Makes a lot of sense to me to sms a friend or relative after an accident. That's what she was doing.

As for being too young to have a licence, yeah that might be an issue.

 

 

Agreed.

[joekicker 53]

Oh my we do have a smart tongue don't we Mr Kicker, you had best take it up with those whom alleged the twitter update...google it and ye shall find.

 

Who did you think I was taking it up with? Don't go all macky on us, okay? There's not a word in my post that a REASONABLE person would think was critical of you.

 

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[Gary 4,100]

Historically here in Thailand, children of influential people get away with even murder. I'm talking about murder in a public place (nightclub) with MANY witnesses. That particular kid is now an influential politician himself. Fear and payoffs keep witnesses from testifying.

 

It may be too early to draw a conclusion but on the surface it appears to be more of the same and that this young girl is just another spoiled kid who has no regard for human life.

 

Remember the cop in Pai who shot and killed a young Canadian? He was never prosecuted and was quickly out on bail. Since then he has murdered his pregnant wife by clubbing her to death.

 

Such is justice here in the Kingdom.

[joekicker 53]

It may be too early to draw a conclusion but on the surface it appears to be more of the same and that this young girl is just another spoiled kid who has no regard for human life.

 

Funny old world, I have almost exactly the opposite opinion, especially after seeing her on TV, where for 16 she sure sounded more adult than a lot of adults, and seemed quite concerned about human life, the dead and survivors included. She's from a well-off family but by all early reports quite a good and decent one. Probably both of us are wrong, but we'll see over the next short while, I'd think.

 

I do agree that if she and/or her family are hi-so xhits, then she can get away with pretty well anything - no argument there. But my early inclination is that she isn't trying to do that. She said publicly for example: "I'd like to express my sadness at what happened ... It was an accident caused by my recklessness." It's early days, but that doesn't sound like Chalerm's kid or a witness-tamperer.

 

As for driving at 16, all of my kids were driving at 15 or 16 in Thailand BUT they had (foreign) licenses. Driving at 16 is no big deal under Thai law (it IS illegal, but so is spitting on the street) and shouldn't be a big deal, in my opinion. I have no idea of her experience, though. There are (surprise!) lots of conflicting reports of how the accident occurred, and we'll see how that sorts itself in coming days.

 

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Edited January 1, 2011 by joekicker

[biggles 509]

"She is underage to drive, but it's a pretty minor offence on its own. "

Perhaps not but wouldnt the insurance company (if the car owner has one?) refuse to pay with an unlicenced driver causing the accident. Not having a licence might be a minor offence but now there has been an accident it wont be minor to the families of the accident victims, I believe 9 are dead?.

[volsfan 43]

According to her twitter page, she does spend at least some of her time in LA, where at 16 she would be legally allowed to drive. So if she came home for the holidays, the whole license issue seems to be much ado about nothing. If Thai's were serious about that shit, they would be down at the middle school confiscating all the motorbikes that the 12-14 year old's ride to school everyday. Like that would ever happen.

 

Like Joe, I don't know who is actually at fault, but my guess would be that both deserve some blame.

[lovedog100 1,372]

While the accident was horrific. I don't see what the problem is with the girl using her phone. Most of us would get on our phones and call for help after an accident. Call the police, ambulance, insurance company, and in the case of a child, call the parents. Is it the fact that it's a smart phone that sets everyone off?

 

At 16 years old, even with her eyes closed, she could drive as well as the average Thai driver. For me, the hardest part of driving in Thailand, is avoiding the Thai's with a death wish. Not to mention the Thai's that will risk both out lives to get two seconds ahead in traffic. In my two years here, I have only seen two driving laws enforced. Driving with out a helmet, and driving while farang. If there was ever a law passed "driving while oblivious" and it was enforced, 2/3 of all Thai's would be sitting in jail.

[thedodger 2]

seems my underlined words in the op failed to instill the thought process i had hoped. it was about her father being the paragon of justice who taught them right from wrong yet she was driving unlicensed, that is the point, she is trying to defend hrself by saying she was taught to do the right thing, yet she didnt.

 

as for being unlicensed, minor offence yes, causing death by careless or dangerous driving not so minor the obvious conclusion=unlicensed=not authorised to control a ca, has not satisfied the necessary minimum standard of competence to drive=court will take this into consideration. then thers no license=no insurance=one very poor father when the families sue.

[Fondles 94]

then thers no license=no insurance=one very poor father when the families sue.

 

I read somewhere the insurance company will be covering up to 1million baht per deceased person.

[thedodger 2]

I read somewhere the insurance company will be covering up to 1million baht per deceased person.

an insurance company paying out when it doesnt have to......must be a worlds first.

[Fondles 94]

an insurance company paying out when it doesnt have to......must be a worlds first.

 

Insurance covers the vehicle not the driver ?

[thedodger 2]

Insurance covers the vehicle not the driver ?

yes if the car was insured then it covers basic third party:

http://www.tillekeandgibbins.com/publicati...s/insurance.pdf

However there is a limit to what this will cover which is why the families will be sueing I would think. It also does not cover the car she drove as it is third party.

[nam-thip 1]

Historically here in Thailand, children of influential people get away with even murder. I'm talking about murder in a public place (nightclub) with MANY witnesses. That particular kid is now an influential politician himself. Fear and payoffs keep witnesses from testifying.

 

It may be too early to draw a conclusion but on the surface it appears to be more of the same and that this young girl is just another spoiled kid who has no regard for human life.

 

Remember the cop in Pai who shot and killed a young Canadian? He was never prosecuted and was quickly out on bail. Since then he has murdered his pregnant wife by clubbing her to death.

 

Such is justice here in the Kingdom.

 

 

Three years after he gunned down Canadian Leo Del Pinto in the northern Thai village of Pai the trial of Police Sergeant Uthai Dechachiwat has still not started and papers have now been referred to the Office of Special Litigation in Bangkok.

 

But on January 17th Sergeant Uthai will however go for trial in the provincial capital Mae Hong Son for the murder of his 18–yr-old wife Manta by clubbing her to death with a piece of wood - an offence committed while on bail on the first murder charge.

[Basil B 46]

I think after an accident like that I would be calling somebody for help, almost certainly in shock herself and probably unaware of the fate of the those traveling in the mini van, I am assuming this photo will have been taken many minutes after the accident as I presume the news photographer was not waiting at the scene for an accident to happen.

 

I went up to my G/F village in Surin a few weeks ago and was shocked to see 3 people riding a bike without crash helmets that did not surprise me but what did was the eldest was no older than 10.

 

I feel that children are the victims when it is expected of them to break the law by their elders, nobody stops them and that young lady will have to live with the consequences of her actions for the rest of her life.

Edited January 1, 2011 by Basil B

[volsfan 43]

Her father in Chief of Staff of the Thai Army or some such position. I doubt he will be going broke over this.

 

The outrage is caused as much by petty jealousy, as much as anything else. The surname, Na Ayudhya, is conferred by the big guy. So the low class Thais can jump on her without actually committing LM.

[The Mook 105]

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Edited January 1, 2011 by The Mook

[joekicker 53]

I think after an accident like that I would be calling somebody for help, almost certainly in shock herself and probably unaware of the fate of the those traveling in the mini van, I am assuming this photo will have been taken many minutes after the accident as I presume the news photographer was not waiting at the scene for an accident to happen.

 

It wasn't by a news photographer. It was by a passer-by, immediately after the accident. That is why she has been attacked, for getting out her phone immediately after the accident.

 

The outrage is caused as much by petty jealousy, as much as anything else. The surname, Na Ayudhya, is conferred by the big guy. So the low class Thais can jump on her without actually committing LM.

 

Well, the name WAS conferred quite a few generations ago, not by this monarch. That particular name is well known and there are several prominent branches of the family -- one of which is the King's personal financial manager. But you are right -- SO FAR this girl's major offence in the eyes of some of the public was to have been born.

 

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Edited January 1, 2011 by joekicker

[joekicker 53]

as for being unlicensed, minor offence yes, causing death by careless or dangerous driving not so minor the obvious conclusion=unlicensed=not authorised to control a ca, has not satisfied the necessary minimum standard of competence to drive=court will take this into consideration. then thers no license=no insurance=one very poor father when the families sue.

 

From the fishwrap:

 

Wisarut Ponlasit, one of the survivors, said he was not considering filing for compensation from the young driver.

 

He said Ms Orachorn, who was in a wheelchair, apparently sustained bruises to her body. "She apologised for what happened and I understood. I'll let police handle the case but I don't think I'll demand any compensation," he said.

 

Mr Wisarut said the girl's mother also apologised for not coming to see him sooner.

 

Waranyu Ketchu, another victim, said he also was not thinking about filing a lawsuit. "I feel good that they came by and apologised. The rest should wait until I fully recover," he said.

Edited January 1, 2011 by joekicker

[hkaussie 0]

I love it when I log on to read about Thai ladies, mongering etc and end up having to read Police accident reports and assess insurance claims