Need some industrial strength pesticide

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I'm looking to purchase some heavy duty pesticides in large quantities for, believe it or not, PEST control.

 

My main targets are Chlordane or Heptachlor (the latter preferrably).

 

Please don't rave on about the dangers or the fact that it's banned in the USA, halflife or any other crap I already know about. This is Thailand! They don't care if someone else bans it!

 

I've tried a few "commercial" pest controllers and just got blank looks and no assistance. I'm not going into businssa against them as anyone who knows me also knows I'm too damn busy with my current business.

 

The ideal contact would be a supplier to the pest control industry or a pest controller that could be trusted to sell me the UNDILUTED material at a reasonable cost and in Pattaya. I don't have time to go running off to the far ends of Thailand.

 

Definately a few beers, or whatever, for someone who gets me a viable lead.

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

[joekicker 53]

I think Endrin and/or Endrosulfin (sp??) are available. But just look at the "ingredients" on the various cans, I'm sure you can find heptachlor.

 

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[Bazle 1,514]

My main targets are Chlordane or Heptachlor (the latter preferrably).

 

Please don't rave on about the dangers or the fact that it's banned in the USA, halflife or any other crap I already know about. This is Thailand! They don't care if someone else bans it!

According to this website, Heptachlor has been banned in Thailand since 1988, and Chlordane since May 2000.

http://thailand.ipm-info.org/pesticides/pesticides_banned.htm

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According to this website, Heptachlor has been banned in Thailand since 1988, and Chlordane since May 2000.

http://thailand.ipm-info.org/pesticides/pesticides_banned.htm

 

From the OP:

Please don't rave on about the dangers or the fact that it's banned in the USA, halflife or any other crap I already know about. This is Thailand!

 

Google's a wonderful thing isn't it?

 

Incidentally, crystal meth, heroin etc etc etc have been banned here for a long time too. Did you know that girls under 20 are not allowed to drink alcohol in bars ? ... and the list goes on. :banghead

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

[cannonball83204 78]

" According to this website, Heptachlor has been banned in Thailand since 1988, and Chlordane since May 2000.

http://thailand.ipm-...ides_banned.htm "

 

Google's a wonderful thing isn't it?

 

Incidentally, crystal meth, heroin etc etc etc have been banned here for a long time too. Did you know that girls under 20 are not allowed to drink alcohol in bars ? ... and the list goes on. :banghead

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

 

Ken, you asked for help and then you berate Bazle for giving you information that to me seemed important to what you are trying to do. As I read both of your posts, he didn't say anything about what you asked posters not to say anything about.

 

" Please don't rave on about the dangers or the fact that it's banned in the USA, halflife or any other crap I already know about. This is Thailand! "

 

You seem to have grown a very thin skin lately. I hope your business hours aren't wearing you out, but I do think you need to rethink how you are responding to BM's on this board. Remember that a lot of your business could come from how people perceive you on here. But as they say in Thailand " UP TO YOU" !

 

CB

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bazle 1,514]

Cannonball

 

Thanks for making the points for me.

 

Admiral Ken

 

If you knew all along that these chemicals are banned in Thailand, you should be ashamed of yourself for asking to be put in contact with a supplier. To continue with your analogy, it's like asking for the name of a crystal meth or heroin dealer.

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Cannonball

 

Thanks for making the points for me.

 

Admiral Ken

 

If you knew all along that these chemicals are banned in Thailand, you should be ashamed of yourself for asking to be put in contact with a supplier. To continue with your analogy, it's like asking for the name of a crystal meth or heroin dealer.

 

I have used the 2 chemicals in question in Australia in days gone by in supervision of a licensed pest-controller. I am very much aware of their toxicity, use and handling requirements.

 

The intended use for these chemicals will NOT be within the borders of Thailand so I'm not going to be using it contrary to Thai laws ... and incidentally, the use of the 2 substances in question has been banned for specific purposes within Thailand, this will not apply to the way in which it is to be used.

 

It was not my intention to berate bazle but, given the general negative tone of this whole forum over the last 6 months or more, part of the OP was an attempt to try and quell the inevitable reactions that are so prevalent here now. His post ignored my request and did little to offer any helpful assistance (after all that IS what this forum is supposed to be for - or at least WAS). If it weren't for Joe and Gabor stirring people up the whole daily "new content" of this board could be read in a minute or 2. If you ignore threads where BMs berate others or throw abuse there'd be little left to read other than lovedog's report.

 

Back on topic - to the best of what I can determine, USE of the susbstances in question within Thailand is prohibited, POSSESION of the substances IS NOT. Puts a dint in your meth and smack argument, huh?

 

Strangely Joe has offered the hope that I was looking for in confirming that it may well be available, somewhere. I would be surprised if a pest controller somewhere doesn't have a "stash" of leftovers which would not be illegal to sell to me. And I'm not ashamed to ask about purchasing something that I can legally purchase!

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

[bigstuy 8]

I have used the 2 chemicals in question in Australia in days gone by in supervision of a licensed pest-controller. I am very much aware of their toxicity, use and handling requirements.

 

The intended use for these chemicals will NOT be within the borders of Thailand so I'm not going to be using it contrary to Thai laws ... and incidentally, the use of the 2 substances in question has been banned for specific purposes within Thailand, this will not apply to the way in which it is to be used.

 

It was not my intention to berate bazle but, given the general negative tone of this whole forum over the last 6 months or more, part of the OP was an attempt to try and quell the inevitable reactions that are so prevalent here now. His post ignored my request and did little to offer any helpful assistance (after all that IS what this forum is supposed to be for - or at least WAS). If it weren't for Joe and Gabor stirring people up the whole daily "new content" of this board could be read in a minute or 2. If you ignore threads where BMs berate others or throw abuse there'd be little left to read other than lovedog's report.

 

Back on topic - to the best of what I can determine, USE of the susbstances in question within Thailand is prohibited, POSSESION of the substances IS NOT. Puts a dint in your meth and smack argument, huh?

 

Strangely Joe has offered the hope that I was looking for in confirming that it may well be available, somewhere. I would be surprised if a pest controller somewhere doesn't have a "stash" of leftovers which would not be illegal to sell to me. And I'm not ashamed to ask about purchasing something that I can legally purchase!

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

 

 

 

 

 

i knew i could taste something different in that last batch of fried rice, "secret ingredient"eh, no wonder we were thirsty

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You seem to have grown a very thin skin lately. I hope your business hours aren't wearing you out, but I do think you need to rethink how you are responding to BM's on this board. Remember that a lot of your business could come from how people perceive you on here. But as they say in Thailand " UP TO YOU" !

 

CB I get more negative response to my business here from BMs here that have never even set foot on my boat than anythhing else.

 

I'm still miffed as to why some feel the need to criticise and deride others here who are just trying to run a business. We see examples here of bar owners turning on bar owners and there is a distinct lack of compassion between some of the expats in certain areas. This is not to tarnish all of them with the same brush as there are some good ones out there. My point is that NONE of the backbiting and sniping is needed.

 

When I joined this board (around the same time as the current admin, according to his profile) the board was almost exclusively about being informative and helpful - that unfortunately seems to no longer be the case.

 

My business is in a sector that does not interfere directly with the bars but maybe it's the sucess that is causing the problem while some of them flounder. They wonder if they can survive low season, only to have to repeat the process again next year. It seems to be the common thread amoungst many of my critics, as places that are well established and not fearful for their existence have no problem working with me. Maybe that's what Gabor means about "waiting for the wonder" LOL.

 

Many of Talk's BMs have been on trips with me but it has got to the point where, even though they had a good time, they are fearful of the reaction if they are imagined to be supporting me.

 

As the Russians continue to "invade" it seems that some would prefer to be back in the "cold war" than try and co-exist. Maybe there's a correllation there too but I need to go and work. Others that have the spare time can ponder that while they wait for customers.

 

Yeah, you're right, I'm getting thin skinned, primarily because I can't see the need for some of what I'm talking about above, but I'll still be there when many of the others have gone by the wayside - thanks mainly to the Russians LOL

 

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I requested that comments be limited to what I was requesting (where) and that I didn't need other information - YES I could have been more specific about what I didn't need to know but could not see the point in writing a novel about what I didn't want. If anyone wants to discuss the above comments please start another thread or ask me and I will, most of the comments will inevitably be moved into the secure areas once I start so I wont entertain discussion in this thread.

 

So we dont get into a silly slanging match, none of that was directed at you or Bazle. Bazle, I apologise to you if you took offence. The documnet that you referenced was already in my possesion and I did indicate that I didn't need additional information on the nature of the substances. Thank you for your input.

 

Any leads as to someone who may have some of the requested substances available would be appreciated.

 

i knew i could taste something different in that last batch of fried rice, "secret ingredient"eh, no wonder we were thirsty

 

I'll tell Tak you said that mate LOL

Boy are you in the shit in September

... now I'll need to keep her away from it when you're around

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

[jacko 8,866]

I have used the 2 chemicals in question in Australia in days gone by in supervision of a licensed pest-controller. I am very much aware of their toxicity, use and handling requirements.

 

The intended use for these chemicals will NOT be within the borders of Thailand so I'm not going to be using it contrary to Thai laws ... and incidentally, the use of the 2 substances in question has been banned for specific purposes within Thailand, this will not apply to the way in which it is to be used.

 

It was not my intention to berate bazle but, given the general negative tone of this whole forum over the last 6 months or more, part of the OP was an attempt to try and quell the inevitable reactions that are so prevalent here now. His post ignored my request and did little to offer any helpful assistance (after all that IS what this forum is supposed to be for - or at least WAS). If it weren't for Joe and Gabor stirring people up the whole daily "new content" of this board could be read in a minute or 2. If you ignore threads where BMs berate others or throw abuse there'd be little left to read other than lovedog's report.

 

Back on topic - to the best of what I can determine, USE of the susbstances in question within Thailand is prohibited, POSSESION of the substances IS NOT. Puts a dint in your meth and smack argument, huh?

 

Strangely Joe has offered the hope that I was looking for in confirming that it may well be available, somewhere. I would be surprised if a pest controller somewhere doesn't have a "stash" of leftovers which would not be illegal to sell to me. And I'm not ashamed to ask about purchasing something that I can legally purchase!

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

If it is a banned substance, will you not be breaking Thai law simply by having it in your possession?

 

And if you acquire it in Thailand, yet use it outside of Thailand, will you not also be guilty of transporting and trading a banned substance?

Why not acquire it in the place you intend to use it, or is it illegal there too?

 

Nevertheless you seem to have answered your own question, seek out some people in the bug spraying business and talk to them. Or seek out some farmer suppliers.

 

And do you realise that if you doa search on Google including Chlordane and Thailand, your post comes up!

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If it is a banned substance, will you not be breaking Thai law simply by having it in your possession?

 

Jacko, there's a huge difference between banning the use of something and banning it's posession. I thought I made it clear in my post that the USE is banned but POSSESION is not - otherwise there will be a lot of farmers and builders out there breaking the law. The answer to your question is NO in this case.

 

And if you acquire it in Thailand, yet use it outside of Thailand, will you not also be guilty of transporting and trading a banned substance?

Why not acquire it in the place you intend to use it, or is it illegal there too?

 

Along the same line, as its USE is only banned and not posession I would not be breaking any laws transporting it - and no it's not easy to get anything where I'm going.

 

Nevertheless you seem to have answered your own question, seek out some people in the bug spraying business and talk to them. Or seek out some farmer suppliers.

 

Finally, you understand the point of the topic.

I have tried to find these "in Pattaya" but have failed in my search. The OP requests someone in Pattaya, I have little doubt if I drive to Udon I will have no problems. It's starting to look like asking the family will get less painful results than this and I can get someone to deliver it to me with much less pain.

 

And do you realise that if you doa search on Google including Chlordane and Thailand, your post comes up!

 

Google must be bored or getting their act together, or both to pick up on an insignificant post on a mongers forum in Pattaya. Someones adwords dollars at work no doubt.

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

[jacko 8,866]

Finally, you understand the point of the topic.

I have tried to find these "in Pattaya" but have failed in my search. The OP requests someone in Pattaya, I have little doubt if I drive to Udon I will have no problems. It's starting to look like asking the family will get less painful results than this and I can get someone to deliver it to me with much less pain.

 

If you can't locate a bug sprayer in Pattaya you must be a bit dopey.

Try this guy. He might have some poison left over since he went PC.

The guys who did my old house would be more likely, two old Thai fellas operating out of a pick up. Sorry I chucked the number.

 

Not a big farming area Pattaya, I would ask a TGF who likely has a brother who works the fields, as you say.

Mind you the twat who planted in the field near me didn't seem to mind the bugs, he just covered the area in shit and there were fucking flies everywhere for weeks.

Edited August 4, 2011 by jacko