English Judas

[nidnoyham 30]

John, these places you have lived in. Are you talking about prisons ? You know an island off the south coast- Parkhust ?

[JohnUK 4]

I asked for that one didn't I ?

 

JohnUK

[Babepecker 0]

laffnliv,

my english must have deteriorated badly, as I believed it was clear from my previous posts in this thread that I saw the movie (in a theatre).

 

Yes, the script brings no new insight into the story. Still, I liked the movie, as it has great pictures (camera work...), atmosphere and rhythm - all very important to me (except when Schwarzenegger plays a part - priorities change then... :) ).

 

Not extremely religious either (or at least: not cheaply so).

 

To summarize: it worked for me, but not necessarily for someone/anyone else.

[nidnoyham 30]

Anyone who visited Jerusalem to follow the route of the cross, might enjoy this fim. The route, wich I did in the 70's now goes through about 5 gift shops, and for a religous person, I imagine, a big dissapointment

 

I was kibbutzing for 3 months, but did my tourist bit too. The tackiness of it was not lost on someone like me, a Pilgrim would have been highly miffed.

 

As far as entertainment value, it's not my cup of tea, English Judas or not.

 

Give me Indiana Jones any day. :)

[laffnliv 78]

Sorry, Babe... I guess I was more affected by the smart-ass comments and so reacted.

Entertainment? Not for me. Why did Gibson make it? Well....he sure seems to be making money on it. Supposedly he was motivated by his past, and when you have the dough you can make any kind of money you like. As it turns out the public thinks it's a winner.

 

Roy

[Babepecker 0]

laffnliv,

no problem at all.

 

As I see it, the movie was not made as entertainment in the 'fun category'. More of a mixture of realistic drama and mystical/religious documentary with bits of anything Gibson considered useful to help the movie sell.

 

He did a good job, as the ticket-sales statistics can illustrate.

 

Btw, Gibson is a catholic, so that is being used to support the film in my part of the world...

 

For me, the quality of movie making and directing, made it worth the time and money to go and see it. In these categories the movie is simply fabulous. The rest of it hasn't spoiled it. :)

[nidnoyham 30]

Babe, I can appreciate a realistic dramatic film, watched one on T.V last night.

It was a true story about a Scots regiment building the Death Railway in Thailand.

 

A soldier was crucified to save his Major from being be-headed. These poor sods, starved and beaten, got bombed by the Allies too.

 

At the end of the film they showed the actuall Scots Major and Japanese interpreter from the camp laying a reef for the fallen.

 

The Japanese man is now a Bhudist Monk in Thailand, but the Major has since died.

 

Some films are made to inform without being a box office record breaker.

Just a few mens story of suffering. I am no judge of directorship, camera position etc, but it had me spellbound to the end.

 

Think it was called War to end wars. :)

[monkeyman 1,604]

English Judas? Already been done mate.

 

Arnold Judas Rimmer.

 

be seeing you

monkeyman

[nidnoyham 30]

English Judas? Already been done mate.

 

Arnold Judas Rimmer.

 

be seeing you

monkeyman

Boys from the dwarf

[Babepecker 0]

monkeyman:

a 4-liner? What has happened?

 

nidnoyham,

I see your point. :)

 

I, probably, should have written 'melodrama' instead od 'drama' and 'pseudo-realistic' instead of 'realistic'.

Marketing talk around that movie obviously influenced me a bit...

 

I maintain that the film is a great example of proper movie-craftsmanship and has good atmosphere, rhythm and camera. Monica Belucci is very hot, too.

 

[nidnoyham 30]

Just to get back to my origional post.

 

Watched a T.V programe recently called Monkey Dust, in which they had a spoof American movie about the Crusades. All the Crusaders were played by Americans. The captives they rescued were all Irish, complete with green suits etc. Saladin was in the character of Vincent Price. Of course the Crusaders won the battle, the hero stabbing the bad guy, with the words " Take that Saladin- you English Bastard " When the credits rolled it had - In memory of all the Americans who died in the Crusades.

 

It was only a 30 second cartoon, but summed up nicely my point about American film makers, doing their best to assasinate the English character-Why do they ?

I have to say it does make, even a serious film have it's funny side, once you start to analize the characters.

 

Is it the large Celtic immigrant population telling stories for generations around the camp fire about how the English are to blame for all the troubles of their forfarthers ?

 

Makes you wonder if thats why old Mel, didn't even use our language in the film !

 

Perhaps one of our friends over the pond, could explain- In English ?

[greenhorn 7]

Wish I'd have seen Monkey dust.... sounds excellent.

 

I think the trend took off in Die Hard, was it where Alan Rickman was the nutter with a load of German henchlings took over Nakatomi Towers? In a way it's a backhanded compliment..... Alan Rickman's character was smart, intelligent etc... but beaten by American low down cunning......

[Niall 0]

The best is STRIKE. By the comedy store. Scargill and the miners strike done hollywood style.

 

Makes me laugh just thinking about it.

[Greg_B 306]

The Passion Of Christ, I thought it was a very good movie and well done by Mel Gibson {Director}