Hell Club - a simple query !

[fd2084 0]

Just to help the 'debate', i think that you'll find that the owners of this over-priced mediocrity refer to it themselves as a brothel, and refer to themselves as pimps (since i posted the link to the dictionary definition).

I have no problem if you call him a pimp (using the dictionary definition) as long as you apply it to all bar owners. You can call all the girls whores too, if that makes you happy. But if you single out one to call her a whore and not the others, I expect you to have a better reason than 'it's the dictionary definition, idn't it?'.

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Hope this clarifies for any confused cheerleaders out there

 

It didn't clarify anything because there was no confusion, but it did give me an idea!

 

To switch the analogies from baseball to American football:

 

It's the Superbowl of the P4P League and the Temptresses of Eden and the Imps of Hell are the leading contenders!!!

 

Go team Eden! Go team Hell!

Push it in, push it in, waaaaay in!

Push it in, push it in, waaaaay in!

Evil

[Cennn3 0]

Cennn3 is a much better opponent than papillon! He responds to questions and doesn't duck them. Moreover, I think enjoys the exchange just for the hell of it - he doesn't have a hidden agenda. To use an analogy to American baseball, he's simply stepping up to the plate as the designated hitter when his friend's team is way down in the bottom of the ninth.

 

Yes, I am fucking fantastic. Thanks.

 

And I'm happy to pitch him a few more questions, all in good fun, and bearing no malice whatsoever to Cennn3.

 

Somehow I do not believe you.

 

My follow-up , an inside slider, would then be: Among all the farang who own or manage establishments in Pattaya and Bangkok, are Marc and Cerberus the only two to whom you refer as pimps? How about the "establishment owners" on Soi 6? Or the Welkom Inn? Or the Jade House? Or even a number of other establishments which feature short-time rooms on or in close proximity to their premises? Would those owner-operators also be termed pimps by you?

 

This is the same question as the last one you asked and I have already answered it

 

The reason I ask is that "pimp" is a pejorative term, it's not value-neutral. When I think of pimps, characters like Ice Pick Slim and Sweet Willie pop into my mind. They use violence to keep their girls in line and all the girls earnings go directly to the pimp. People don't refer to their friends, or those they like and respect, as pimps. Hence we see the fancy foot-work regarding who is or isn't a pimp. People who don't know (or don't like) Cerberus, Marc and others might call them pimps, but won't use that term about the owners of establishments the name callers frequent themselves.

 

A pimp is a pimp. Look it up, I know what it means, you know what it means and people who are pimps know what it means.

 

I don't want to rekindle a debate on the meaning of pimp. It is a word of uncertain origin that dates back to medieval times, but may be related to the French (!) word pimper, meaning "to dress well." Even in the days of Richard Lionheart, pimps were flash dressers! The term "brothel keeper" is much older and was, from the beginning, not interchangeable with "pimp."

 

See above

 

Again, this doesn't really matter. By any other name, the Hell Clubs (and Eden) would smell as sweet. Cerberus, Marc and the majority of "establishment –owners" are a very positive development for both the providers and punters in Pattaya. They give the girls safe and decent places to work with fair compensation, while the punters get service at a reasonable price. We, the punters, and especially the girls, are better off with them than without them. In the best of all possible worlds, there wouldn't be a need for commercial sex services. But until that day, it's better for women without a whole lot of options in life to be working at Hell or Eden than taking their chances with the thugs and weirdos on Beach Road.

 

Right, Pimps then.

 

The subject of pimps has been thrashed to death. It's a lot like the discussions of who's a stunner and what's constitutes over-paying. It's so subjective it's almost meaningless to discuss. But sometimes it's fun just to try to figure who's on first.

 

Seems like the pimps are on first and who is on second.

 

Cennn3 – feel free to use cricket analogies, although I admit I am woefully ignorant of that distinguished game. And papillon is always welcome to step up to the plate to strike out once more and keep his 0.000 batting average intact.

 

I hate cricket.Have a nice day

 

Evil

 

[touristman 1]

I have no problem if you call him a pimp (using the dictionary definition) as long as you apply it to all bar owners. You can call all the girls whores too, if that makes you happy. But if you single out one to call her a whore and not the others, I expect you to have a better reason than 'it's the dictionary definition, idn't it?'.

 

This has all been covered a few weeks ago.There are reasons why these brothel owners are called pimps, discouraging social interaction / social drinking etc etc etc.............it's all been covered and was agreed by the owners who said that they were indeed pimps with a brothel service, nothing more.Compare this with the bars and clubs that others own and you surely don't need me to note all the differences again do you between geniune bars and clubs and this brothel place do you?????????

 

Ask Evel Penevel if you need further clarification.Although he seems like this is the first time this has come up, its not.Did i mention the dishonest / disingenuous 'debate' that goes on in threads run by these guys????

[fd2084 0]

This has all been covered a few weeks ago.

Great, so you guys finally settled this debate once and for all. A first on the internet! Call me skeptical.

 

There are reasons why these brothel owners are called pimps, discouraging social interaction / social drinking etc etc etc.............it's all been covered and was agreed by the owners who said that they were indeed pimps with a brothel service, nothing more.Compare this with the bars and clubs that others own and you surely don't need me to note all the differences again do you between geniune bars and clubs and this brothel place do you?????????

So your theory is that a gogo bar owner is not a pimp because he allows customers to buy the girls a drink and chat with them for five minutes before paying him for the rights to shag her senseless? Interesting theory.

 

Ask Evel Penevel if you need further clarification.Although he seems like this is the first time this has come up, its not.Did i mention the dishonest / disingenuous 'debate' that goes on in threads run by these guys????

Your other issues with Evil, et al. are of no concern to me. You're wrong on this one, and that's all I care about.

Edited May 3, 2007 by fd2084

[touristman 1]

So your theory is that a gogo bar owner is not a pimp because he allows customers to buy the girls a drink and chat with them for five minutes before paying him for the rights to shag her senseless? Interesting theory.

 

Don't tell me what MY theory is.I have no theory, just the English language.

 

I go to Gogo bars and have a drink and a chat and then go to a pub or restaurant or beer bar or club.I'm not sure that you have ever been to a Gogo, most customers stay for a drink or two and move on.There is no obligation or expectation of your implied 100% customers '5 minutes and shag senseless' rubbish.A clear distinction from any brothel.

 

Look, like i said, this has been done to death and you're a waste of time.I feel sad for you that you seem to view every establishment as a brothel...........it's probably why a lot of farang are disliked by decent Thai's here IMO..........but it's your OPINION and you're welcome to it.

 

Goodbye

[fd2084 0]

I go to Gogo bars and have a drink and a chat and then go to a pub or restaurant or beer bar or club.I'm not sure that you have ever been to a Gogo,

Nope, never been to Thailand myself. Why don't you tell me more about it?

 

most customers stay for a drink or two and move on. There is no obligation or expectation of your implied 100% customers '5 minutes and shag senseless' rubbish.A clear distinction from any brothel.

 

Look, like i said, this has been done to death and you're a waste of time.I feel sad for you that you seem to view every establishment as a brothel...........it's probably why a lot of farang are disliked by decent Thai's here IMO

I see, so your problem is not with pimps, in general. It is just with those pimps that don't let you ogle the girls for free first.

[touristman 1]

I see, so your problem is not with pimps, in general. It is just with those pimps that don't let you ogle the girls for free first.

 

No, obviously you don't see.

 

Your mental capacities may not be able to understand what i write.Go back and try again

 

I'm done with this.Like i said, i feel sorry for you.Enjoy your 'land of brothels' you little little person.

[fd2084 0]

No, obviously you don't see.

 

Your mental capacities may not be able to understand what i write.Go back and try again

 

I'm done with this.Like i said, i feel sorry for you.Enjoy your 'land of brothels' you little little person.

Before you go, can you point me to the thread where the forum members finally decided the definition of 'pimp' and how it applies in the Thai nightlife scene? I'd love to avoid little misunderstandings like this in the future and when I finally make my first trip to Thailand I'd know for sure how to address each establishment owner.

 

Perhaps we can use that thread as a template for solving the old "'whore' or not" question.

[brotherbuzz 3,206]

Well, that and your own large penis and hamsumness.

 

You're confusing me with some other hamsumness guy, cus my penis is medium.

[riri 0]

Nope, never been to Thailand myself. Why don't you tell me more about it?

I see, so your problem is not with pimps, in general. It is just with those pimps that don't let you ogle the girls for free first.

Helloo FD 2084

How are you? We haven't met. From what I read you haven't been to LOS before. That is a disadvantage for you when you discuss with negative people. They will always tell you that you are wrong. I have been there and get an idea what those negative people are talking about. If you want to talk and mainly have a beer, forget about hell club. That is definitely not the place for that. But if you are as horny as I am and want to fulfill your dream, the hell club may be an option for you. I am not saying that you will not find it somewhere else, but you might waste more money at the end of the day.

 

People keep saying that it is expensive. I still cannot see it. You take two three holers from soi 6, it will cost you around $2400. A night is let suppose 12 hours. There is no way you are going to fuck for the whole 12 hours. A most you fuck for one hour at night and another hour the next morning. Both of you sleep for 10 hours. You end up gaining an extra 30 minutes compared to the hell club.

 

What the guarantee that your dreams will be fulfilled? Just read the threads and see the precentage of people who are disappointed. Compare that to those who have been at the Hell club. There might be some disapointed customers at the Hell Club, but it is very minimal.

 

The negative people keep saying that you can get cheaper elsewhere, but they have never been able to provide a place where the service equals The Hell Club. If there is a cheaper place where there ia a guarantee that my dream will be fulfilled, I will be the first one to go there.

 

At the end of the day it all depends what you want, if you want to socialse, have a drink and hopefully have a bg, cancel the Hell Club from your list. You wonf find it there.

 

Take care FD

Riri

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Just read the threads and see the precentage of people who are disappointed. Compare that to those who have been at the Hell club. There might be some disapointed customers at the Hell Club, but it is very minimal.

 

The negative people keep saying that you can get cheaper elsewhere, but they have never been able to provide a place where the service equals The Hell Club.

 

 

Riri

 

You nailed it very well. A high level of service is guaranteed at the Hell Club. It may cost a bit more, but when prices are compared on an "apples to apples" basis, it isn't that much more expensive that a lot of places that offer considerably worse service.

 

Evil