Daniel Hannan Mep

[N3RGT 118]

I am aware that this U Tube video is posted on another forum but thought it deserved an airing on here.

 

 

IMHO an excellent speech by Daniel Hannan re: Gordon Brown's inept handling of the British economy.

 

Others will disagree with me.

Edited August 14, 2009 by N3RGT

[nidnoyham 30]

After what Gordon has done to, or allowed the British economy to become. Taking his advise, is like buying hair restorer from a bald headed barber.

[BigusDicus 9,878]

An absolutely brilliant speech. Beautifully delivered. A vary talented man. He is going places...

[sinbinjack 251]

And I am supposed to listen to one self serving politician when he bad mouthes another,get real its all theatre to these guys.

[jacko 8,814]

Quite a well presented speech, with a very valid content.

Rightly I am extremely worried what Gordon Brown is doing to my country, starting with a currency that has rendered 30% of my working life wasted! He sees himself as the worlds financial expert, but there are no prior lessons for fixing these problems, but there were plenty of common sense rules twisted and ignored that caused them. I ask you, what idiot would buy some sub-prime debt wrapped up and presented to you as grade A stock? (With other people's money)

 

Greenspan he ain't.

 

Bigus... yes our politicians are quite eloquent, and can be well educated, but few can be trusted. And few might be optimistic!

Edited April 1, 2009 by jacko

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

aren't most of the problems in the economy caused by his predecessor and now coming home to roost?

[BigusDicus 9,878]

Bigus... yes our politicians are quite eloquent, and can be well educated, but few can be trusted. And few might be optimistic!

 

Agreed. I hold no illusions.

 

Most polititians, left or right are slime.

[N3RGT 118]

aren't most of the problems in the economy caused by his predecessor and now coming home to roost?

 

Midlifecrisis you hit the nail right on the head. He is his own financial predecessor, Chancellor of the Exchequer, The First Lord of the Treasury, the Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP

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[Butch 3,456]

Not to mention his selling off most of the UK's Gold reserves for a fraction of their value, a truly inspired move...

 

What a wanker.

 

Butch

[CheshireTom 1,377]

An absolutely brilliant speech. Beautifully delivered. A vary talented man. He is going places...

 

Oops! Not flavour of the month, it would seem.

 

 

"An embarrassed Conservative Party leadership was forced to rebuke one of its MEPs yesterday after he spent the last week on a tour of the United States rubbishing the NHS in a series of interviews.

 

Daniel Hannan, an outspoken and popular Conservative politician, gave a damning verdict on the British health service, telling American television viewers: “I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.”

 

The Conservative MEP for South East England has appeared regularly on Fox News this year criticising the NHS but yesterday, after a popular backlash by the British public, the Tory leadership moved to distance itself from Mr Hannan.

 

Andrew Lansley said the MEP was wrong to have labelled the NHS a bloated relic that would destroy the US economy and risk American lives if it was emulated.

 

The Shadow Health Secretary said: "There are millions of people who are grateful for the care they have received from the NHS.

 

"It does them and the NHS a disservice for Daniel Hannan to give Americans such a negative and partial view. That we can access health care free at point of use, based on need, is something others envy.”"

[N3RGT 118]

Oops! Not flavour of the month, it would seem.

 

 

"An embarrassed Conservative Party leadership was forced to rebuke one of its MEPs yesterday after he spent the last week on a tour of the United States rubbishing the NHS in a series of interviews.

 

Daniel Hannan, an outspoken and popular Conservative politician, gave a damning verdict on the British health service, telling American television viewers: “I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.”

 

The Conservative MEP for South East England has appeared regularly on Fox News this year criticising the NHS but yesterday, after a popular backlash by the British public, the Tory leadership moved to distance itself from Mr Hannan.

 

Andrew Lansley said the MEP was wrong to have labelled the NHS a bloated relic that would destroy the US economy and risk American lives if it was emulated.

 

The Shadow Health Secretary said: "There are millions of people who are grateful for the care they have received from the NHS.

 

"It does them and the NHS a disservice for Daniel Hannan to give Americans such a negative and partial view. That we can access health care free at point of use, based on need, is something others envy.”"

 

Wondered when you might have a stir about that C.T(S.N.P). You don't disappoint

 

...and BTW, its refreshing to see that at last you are, in part, reading a half decent newspaper.

 

I will rise to your "Greenwells Glory"

 

Daniel Hannan is a "maverick", and as such, will always be an outspoken and forthright character. A breath of "fresh air" in comparison to some of the run of the mill political "yes" men. I think he will always have more admirers than detractors.

 

All this, of course, in relation to Obama's ongoing health reform programme in America.

 

Nothing wrong in healthy,(pardon the pun)debate, especially as it should only improve things in the N.H.S, a service that has been transformed into a number crunching, massaged, statistical exercise by the government, in order to give the impression of good performance, and one that some, apparently, have decided to opt out of !

 

It would be interesting to know what you expats are having to pay for your family health care, or what you are having

deducted from your company salaries to fund it.

 

Private health care plans don't come cheap in the U.K and I doubt they do in Thailand. I expect this subject has been

discussed on this board previously, but have not had time to look at this moment. So how does it work there please ?

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[CheshireTom 1,377]

Wondered when you might have a stir about that C.T(S.N.P). You don't disappoint

 

Not half as refreshing to see that you've learned how to spell his name correctly.

 

...and BTW, its refreshing to see that at last you are, in part, reading a half decent newspaper.

 

I thought it was just another tabloid these days.

 

It would be interesting to know what you expats are having to pay for your family health care, or what you are having

deducted from your company salaries to fund it.

 

I think I pay 30% and my employer pays the remaining 70% of my private health insurance. My contribution comes out at about half of what I was paying to have my bin emptied on a weekly/fortnightly basis in UK.

 

Private health care plans don't come cheap in the U.K and I doubt they do in Thailand. I expect this subject has been

discussed on this board previously, but have not had time to look at this moment. So how does it work there please ?

 

You buy into either a group or individual policy. If you're registered with the social security fund it provides basic cover. Of course, having done my homework and satisfying the requirements, I'm still entitled to free healthcare in the UK.

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[joekicker 53]

Daniel Hannan is a "maverick", and as such, will always be an outspoken and forthright character. A breath of "fresh air" in comparison to some of the run of the mill political "yes" men. I think he will always have more admirers than detractors.

 

I have to disagree with the tone of this, except for the "maverick" part, and I don't buy that either, since he's just feeding off the public teat and obviously fearful he might have to go out and actually work instead of getting paid to play a boy's game. Like all political mavericks, he's a guy with no job and an opinion, where "an" is singular. These people have one extremely fun speech, which they make - and then make again - and make and make, and they are way more boring than other politicians, who are always changing and contradicting themselves. The problem with mavericks is they're also anal-obsessive, one-issue people.

 

This week, Hannan has been a bit of a darling of the US right, who incorporated him into the anti-Obama plans. But he's just a useful idiot - you can only use him once, then he's just another bore ranting on about how the NHS is terrible and Americans don't want that sort of thing. Well, yes, actually they don't, so Hannan is interesting first time, a crank thereafter preaching a single point to an increasingly bored audience that wants fresh meat.

 

He has a US counterpart, Ron Paul, a libertarian bore with one speech and so predictable he makes Gordon Brown look intellectual and interestiing. Thailand has a similar guy who goes on hunger strikes to make his point. Yawn.

[N3RGT 118]

Not half as refreshing to see that you've learned how to spell his name correctly.

 

Oooops !! Sorry about that old boy. I stand corrected and so does the original post + header

 

I thought it was just another tabloid these days.

 

I saw it in "The Times Online"

 

I think I pay 30% and my employer pays the remaining 70% of my private health insurance. My contribution comes out at about half of what I was paying to have my bin emptied on a weekly/fortnightly basis in UK.

 

Sounds like a good deal then

 

You buy into either a group or individual policy. If you're registered with the social security fund it provides basic cover. Of course, having done my homework and satisfying the requirements, I'm still entitled to free healthcare in the UK.

 

 

Hope you don't have to resort to using it when you discover that your particular condition is not covered as per

para 27 Clause 3© in your private policy.

 

On a more serious note I am so grateful to the N.H.S for virtually saving my life, by carrying out what was a relatively simple non invasive angioplasty operation and stent placement in one of my main arteries. This is an increasingly common event in the N.H.S, and is now a "routine" operation where patients are often out the same day.

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[CheshireTom 1,377]

Hope you don't have to resort to using it when you discover that your particular condition is not covered as per

para 27 Clause 3© in your private policy.

 

It isn't - that's one good reason why I continue to maintain my eligibility.

 

 

On a more serious note I am so grateful to the N.H.S for virtually saving my life, by carrying out what was a relatively simple non invasive angioplasty operation and stent placement in one of my main arteries. This is an increasingly common event in the N.H.S, and is now a "routine" operation where patients are often out the same day.

 

I'm equally grateful and can't fault the treatment they have given me over the years. I have to have the a procedure done every year or so and have had it done in the UK on the NHS many times and paid for the same procedure in LOS. The NHS service, for me, far exceeded that offered in BKK at both Bumrungrad and Vejthani.

[Obsession 571]

I have to disagree with the tone of this, except for the "maverick" part, and I don't buy that either, since he's just feeding off the public teat and obviously fearful he might have to go out and actually work instead of getting paid to play a boy's game. Like all political mavericks, he's a guy with no job and an opinion, where "an" is singular. These people have one extremely fun speech, which they make - and then make again - and make and make, and they are way more boring than other politicians, who are always changing and contradicting themselves. The problem with mavericks is they're also anal-obsessive, one-issue people.

 

This week, Hannan has been a bit of a darling of the US right, who incorporated him into the anti-Obama plans. But he's just a useful idiot - you can only use him once, then he's just another bore ranting on about how the NHS is terrible and Americans don't want that sort of thing. Well, yes, actually they don't, so Hannan is interesting first time, a crank thereafter preaching a single point to an increasingly bored audience that wants fresh meat.

 

He has a US counterpart, Ron Paul, a libertarian bore with one speech and so predictable he makes Gordon Brown look intellectual and interestiing. Thailand has a similar guy who goes on hunger strikes to make his point. Yawn.

 

Excellent post. The last guy to try the outrageous comments on an American tour was the ex junkie, effete comedian Russel Brand. Seems the tories are so desperate they are copying crap junky comedians for some publicity:allright Next they will be phoning old men and saying theyve fucked their grandaughters ( Brand done that in the UK)

 

Good point MLC. Most of the UKs problems hark back to when the tories destroyed the UKs industrial base in favour of the London based financial sector. Now that sector has fucked up, who knows whats the future for the UK. It also didnt help that they sold all the UKs assets. The whole population is at the mercy of foreign owned companies for their utilities etc, and prices are going skywards and jobs are being sent overseas. Seems Mrs Thatcher didnt have much forward vision, but hey, she sure made her cronies and son rich

 

On a more serious note I am so grateful to the N.H.S for virtually saving my life, by carrying out what was a relatively simple non invasive angioplasty operation and stent placement in one of my main arteries. This is an increasingly common event in the N.H.S, and is now a "routine" operation where patients are often out the same day.

 

So what are you saying? That Hannan was talking crap when he said he wouldnt wish the NHS on anyone

[Keatonio 0]

Daniel Hannan is a "maverick", and as such, will always be an outspoken and forthright character. A breath of "fresh air" in comparison to some of the run of the mill political "yes" men. I think he will always have more admirers than detractors.

[N3RGT 118]

Daniel Hannan is a "maverick", and as such, will always be an outspoken and forthright character. A breath of "fresh air" in comparison to some of the run of the mill political "yes" men. I think he will always have more admirers than detractors.

 

Nice to see you apparently agree with one of my paragraphs, verbatim, on post #11

[Obsession 571]

What about the latest tory GAFF. From the guy whos replaced the tory that spent nearly £2,000 of taxpayers money on a floating duck pond ( yes, a floating duck pond ) for his garden. He said that only goodlooking women should be allowed to be MPs Tories dont live in the real world. They charge taxpayers for dredging their moats around their homes, duck ponds, hire people depending on what school they went to instead of ability, and disrespect intelligent hard working women. They are totally and utterly out of step with the majority of the population.