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[joekicker 53]

Or maybe they are just using it to control women rolleyes

 

Exactly. This whole thing about driving, culminating in Saudi, is stupid and non-religious if not irreligious. But you actually nailedit very well -- most of all it is manipulative and controlling. In MOST Muslim countries, women drive around just fine, and in most non-Muslim countries, Muslim women ditto - and why not?

 

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[Obsession 571]

Saw a video on youtube, when following a link. Seems that muslim children are being taught that Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs. The school curriculum head, refuses to stop the text books being used. Its 8 minutes, long, so better to just take my word Its shocking whats going on in the UK. The main London mosquer refused to stop selling hate cds and dvds. What will these kids grow up like?

[Obsession 571]

I keep forgetting to post links

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XcSQJSOab8...feature=related

[joekicker 53]

Saw a video on youtube, when following a link. Seems that muslim children are being taught that Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs.

 

The Saudis do this, but it's kind of under the table most of the time. The worst for this? The Palestinians. That's where the nice British suicide bombers went of course, to help the poor beleagured Palestinians. A lot of Jew-haters are unfortunately encouraging this sort of thing. The suicide bombing AND the interesting school lessons.

 

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[Obsession 571]

The Saudis do this, but it's kind of under the table most of the time. The worst for this? The Palestinians. That's where the nice British suicide bombers went of course, to help the poor beleagured Palestinians. A lot of Jew-haters are unfortunately encouraging this sort of thing. The suicide bombing AND the interesting school lessons.

 

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Why do you reckon the British government let the Saudis send and teach such stuff?..............The money we owe Saudi?

[joekicker 53]

Why do you reckon the British government let the Saudis send and teach such stuff?..............The money we owe Saudi?

 

If there weren't a D-notice on the whole stench-ridden enterprise, we might know. But that said, I wouldn't blame only the Brits. The British scandal is that they let it happen in Britain, and they ought to shut down those people. Everyone's culpable on not calling them on it inside Saudi, not just the Brits, my opinion. Free speech, absolutely. Incitement, no. Let the terrorists shout and rave, but don't let the media write or utter one word.

 

I was delighted to see today that a top Amnesty person has taken on AI for aligning with that despicable terrorist and his group CagePrisoners trying to creep in to respectability with torture allegations. They are nothing but a lying, pro-violent front operation for al-Qaeda, and AI should be bloody ashamed for its ties. Good on Gita Sahgal for exposing her own rotten AI comrades. I never thought I'd see that.

 

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[atlas2 4,329]

Heh. Joe doesn't "remember" that.

 

Actually, I was trying to stick with history within the lifespan of most of our members and their fathers. But no argument with taking it back long, long before that.

 

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I take your point which 'almost' makes me embarrassed to have to correct you. In your, 'the world you live in' rant, the 'Black hole of Calcutta' Which you referred too, and seemed to blame the British for, (when in fact they were the ones that were incarcerated, suffocated and trampled and killed), took place in 1756. The Indian massacre of 'Sandy Creek' which I was using to balance up another of your, I'm sure, unintended sneers at England happened over 100 years later in 1864.

 

However, I was wrong about Black Kettle........He escaped with his bollocks intact. It was 'White Antelope's privates that were used to store 'tabbacy'

Edited February 11, 2010 by atlas2

[judd 2]

They even throw them back when its a dud

 

February 11, 2010, 8:31 am

 

An Arab ambassador called off his wedding After the marriage contract was signed, the ambassador attempted to kiss his bride-to-be, upon which he discovered she had facial hair and was cross-eyed, it said.He sued for ($156,330) for clothes, jewellery and other gifts he had bought for her.The court annulled the contract but rejected the ambassador's demand for compensation.

[nidnoyham 30]

The worst for this? The Palestinians. That's where the nice British suicide bombers went of course, to help the poor beleagured Palestinians.s.

 

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As I have said before, one of those Suicide Bombers came from Hounslow. He worked in Duty Free Term 3. As you can imagine, he got a fair amount of coverage in the local press.

 

He was described by those who knew him, a big soft lad, who wasn't the brightest light on the tree. Not unlike that British Shoe Bomber on an America bound plane. Both used by the manipulative extremists to carry out their hate campaign.

 

It would appear Britain is well sorted in the idiot department of Islamic militants. We don't need any more from other countries. The ones that blew up trains and a bus in London came from here too. None of whom, were in my eyes British. I don't care what it said on the front of their passport.

[judd 2]

What about when "O'Mama cant get a hard on " falls off the planet they will come out of the woodwork these nutters.

[joekicker 53]

He was described by those who knew him, a big soft lad, who wasn't the brightest light on the tree. Not unlike that British Shoe Bomber on an America bound plane. Both used by the manipulative extremists to carry out their hate campaign.

 

But unlike that British-educated, British-converted Underwear Bomber on an America bound plane. Extremely intelligent, well raised.

 

There's the problem with profiling, right there. You look for a dumb, ponderous, dependent child-like man, and you get blown up by a smart, highly educated, extremely aware woman. Or that nice, quiet student next door.

 

Bloody interesting story quotes the Nobel laureate and Nigerian activist Wole Soyinka. He says, "England is a cesspit" that is responsible for training terrorists. On the underwear bomber:

 

"The man did not get radicalized in Nigeria. It happened in England, where he went to university. England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence. And yet England allows it. Remember, that country was the breeding ground for communism, too. Karl Marx did all his work in libraries there."

 

He blames colonialism and the attitudes that survived that violent period of Great Britain's history.

 

Full interview and comments at

The Daily Beast

 

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Edited February 11, 2010 by joekicker

[nidnoyham 30]

But unlike that British-educated, British-converted Underwear Bomber on an America bound plane. Extremely intelligent, well raised.

 

There's the problem with profiling, right there. You look for a dumb, ponderous, dependent child-like man, and you get blown up by a smart, highly educated, extremely aware woman. Or that nice, quiet student next door.

 

Bloody interesting story quotes the Nobel laureate and Nigerian activist Wole Soyinka. He says, "England is a cesspit" that is responsible for training terrorists. On the underwear bomber:

 

"The man did not get radicalized in Nigeria. It happened in England, where he went to university. England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence. And yet England allows it. Remember, that country was the breeding ground for communism, too. Karl Marx did all his work in libraries there."

 

He blames colonialism and the attitudes that survived that violent period of Great Britain's history.

 

Full interview and comments at

The Daily Beast

 

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England may be a cesspit that is responsible for breeding fundamental terrorists, but is not the majority of the English who are responsible.

 

It is done under the cover of a P.C. dominated Government and society. Helped by a liberal middle class that runs everything here; Teachers, Doctors, the banking system and of course, Parliament, (not forgetting Freelance Consultants ). Believe me, if I had my way, it would never have happened. My opinions, along with millions of others, may be primitive and hewn from ignorance, but could they be any more wrong than those our educated, brainy subjects who are running the show now ?

 

That copper on another thread jailed for corruption, was brought to the Met police's attention 2 years ago as being

a ' wrong' un', but the fear of yet another case of Racial discrimination, stopped them from taking a closer look at him.

 

That suicide bomber from Hounslow, has probably never even heard of the violent period of Great British history. It is your " You don't know who is going to blow you up. that makes life so shit living in any big city. Now and forever. What a legacy for future generation !

 

" So Granddad, you were a young man when all this started, why didn't you say something ? " " Well love, if you did say something, people would call you names ! " Sounds pathetic doesn't it ?

 

And yes the Glasgow bombers were Doctors. That must have shocked a few of the Middle class, English Liberals.

 

As I said to the seven Somalian lads who were trying to wind me up in the way that Pakistani was winding up that old lady on another post. " This is my country- for you, it's just somewhere to live ! "

 

 

It all adds the vibrant colourful multicultural life we now live.

 

You may as well go to London Zoo and open all the cages, just to see what will happen. That is what the Great multicultural Experiment has done.

[joekicker 53]

England may be a cesspit that is responsible for breeding fundamental terrorists, but is not the majority of the English who are responsible.

 

This is a line well worth remembering and even repeating in the face of certain allegations by certain posters. As is your equally good line on why good Englishmen didn't speak up enough.

 

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[Obsession 571]

All the bombers seem to go tp training camps in Pakistan. So is the brainwashing before that, or at the camps?

And its hardly surprising that they can turn them into bombers when they get taught at school that Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs.

[Gawd Elpus 798]

All the bombers seem to go tp training camps in Pakistan. So is the brainwashing before that, or at the camps?

And its hardly surprising that they can turn them into bombers when they get taught at school that Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs.

 

 

Oh dear, take a few hours off, and this is what happens. Which schools are they, is there a list or is this more monkey madness ??

[joekicker 53]

All the bombers seem to go tp training camps in Pakistan. So is the brainwashing before that, or at the camps?

 

Chicken and egg, but I don't believe people go to Pakistan until they're already totally convinced. I'd say DEFINITELY before. The camps reinforce and channel, and select the jobs each person is best suited for, but the brains are washed long before that. Most of these people aren't recruited to go to the camps -- they ask, beg, demand to go. Pakistan just happens to be the single best training place right now, think of it as a sort of Pontrilas for al-Qaeda. Used to be Afghanistan. Used to be Libya. Used to be Mauritania. 700 Thai kids went through the Afghanistan course.

 

And its hardly surprising that they can turn them into bombers when they get taught at school that Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs.

 

Very few people are TAUGHT that, though, not the bombers from your own country, say. They're convinced, and they've convinced themselves that they're in a war. After that, demonising the enemy is pretty easy, right Obsession? The monkeys and pigs stuff, for them, is just part of the process, not something they have to have crammed into them. Your British-born jihadist is fully convinced of his cause. Or hers in some cases. At least partly because the enemy is despicable and low-life.

 

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[Obsession 571]

Oh dear, take a few hours off, and this is what happens. Which schools are they, is there a list or is this more monkey madness ??

 

Theres a link on post 74. They even refuse to stop teaching it

[atlas2 4,329]

Bloody interesting story quotes the Nobel laureate and Nigerian activist Wole Soyinka. He says, "England is a cesspit" that is responsible for training terrorists. On the underwear bomber:

 

"The man did not get radicalized in Nigeria. It happened in England, where he went to university. England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence. And yet England allows it. Remember, that country was the breeding ground for communism, too. Karl Marx did all his work in libraries there."

 

He blames colonialism and the attitudes that survived that violent period of Great Britain's history.

 

Full interview and comments at

The Daily Beast

 

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Wonderful research!

Edited February 12, 2010 by atlas2

[joekicker 53]

If my accusations are wrong re-instate the missing paragraphs and prove me wrong.

 

1. You think too mutt. WAY too mutt.

 

2. No paragraphs have been removed anywhere by me. It didn't happen. Period.

 

3. I think, but can't be bothered looking because I really don't give a spit about your "accusations", that you have two, possibly three different threads muxed ip because....

 

4. See Number 1.

 

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[Gawd Elpus 798]

Theres a link on post 74. They even refuse to stop teaching it

 

 

"They" ???

 

The privately run academy denies the allegations, which are "allegations" by a teacher who is claiming unfair dismissal. The heading of the clip suggests that all children are taught this in school. which of course, is bollocks. Every single negative promotion of Islam here are ALL isolated cases and many unproven. Same old, same old. Just because we can google any side of a story we like, or fine a clip on You Tube means little. People are beginning to believe that the Internet is the holy Koran of answers, and that is scary. It is the information highway and is full of inaccuracies, and opinions. Any of us can start a site and put up our opinion on anything, even call it fact, but some idiot is likely to use it in a debate

Edited February 12, 2010 by Mr Pastry

[joekicker 53]

"They" ???

 

There are standard textbooks in Saudi Arabia and there are very, very popular media in some Palestinian areas that do dissimenate this stuff. Yes it's isolated, but so are the Japanese textbooks that teach the glories of colonisation under Japan's beneficent emperor and the strong benefits that the workers on the Kanchanaburi railway received from the generous Japanese benefactors.

 

Ignoring the times it happens because, "oh, it's not everywhere" is just about equal to putting a play for children on TV extolling the glories of children suicide bombers, and almost equal to bigots who slam "the Muslims" because a show was on once. Once is WAY too many times.

 

I'm not a zero-tolerance person. I'm a person who calls out these alleged "people" when they eff up and I am an equal-opportunity caller-outer. I *actually* favour these people putting on these shows and writing these textbooks SO THAT we can out them. It's way more effective than calling in the police to beat and shoot them and make them martyrs. Name, shame and humilate them, and by "them" I mean all of the extremists, every one of them. No Saudi or Palestinian or British or Pattaya Talk community is going to favour these extremists. So call them out and ridicule them.

 

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[joekicker 53]

Wonderful research!

 

Where is all that stuff about editing and beautifying my posts? Seems you edited and removed self-damaging material in YOUR posts to remove embarrassing material, eh? Not a shred of embarrassment, though, not a sign of admitting you were totally wrong in your accusations.

 

That's okay. There's no obligation here to be truthful. You should always do what you think is the right thing, and we'll note what that is.

 

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[atlas2 4,329]

Where is all that stuff about editing and beautifying my posts? Seems you edited and removed self-damaging material in YOUR posts to remove embarrassing material, eh? Not a shred of embarrassment, though, not a sign of admitting you were totally wrong in your accusations.

 

That's okay. There's no obligation here to be truthful. You should always do what you think is the right thing, and we'll note what that is.

 

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yes I found the edit button.............same as you!

 

Mind you apart from making that point............. If you want to know, also I re-read my post and thought what a total wanker!

 

I'd got involved with this Muslim thread sometime ago because of the 'Wootton Basset' issue. Something about a bunch of scrounging, ungrateful, hair-suite harpies haranguing the decent and quintessentially English people of that village, while they were paying non-religious,non-political respect to the sons and daughters of Britain returning 'home' in a coffin, pushed a button and said to me, 'No you fucking don't! Not there!'

 

Throughout all the subsequent posts, and the to-and-fro I tried to, 'wear my colours' while showing some respect for opposing viewpoints and retaining at least a smidgen of emotional detachment. Even though I realised fairly quickly the pointlessness of actual argument here.

 

Somewhere along the line I became caught up in it all and started to take things 'seriously'....... as though it really mattered what I said on this 'Board' ..........which it don't. I began to add a little jibe here, a personal insult there, an undermining correction.........And before you know it total wankership!!

 

I'm not putting down the average 'Varied poster' who enjoys a dib and dabble on topics all over the place and can benefit us with local knowledge or an informative personal experience.

I joined this and other boards to glean exactly that sort information on Thailand. But, when thumbing through a board's pages I always gave the 'Key Board warriors' and their pointless rambling debates a wide berth! ....And now..... I'd become just that. I re-read my post and felt it was unbalanced and flawed, worst of all it was just plain unprovable 'High and Mighty' personal opinion about what I perceive as Joe's Anglophobia. That to me, and in the context of a fair number of other posts, it appeared he just couldn't resist having a dig and spouting 'England is a cesspit' from behind the safety of quotation marks and under the guise of it being a 'Bloody interesting article' Which it ain't and Joe knows that.

 

..........BUT....There's no point in me writing stuff like that. I have no authority, or business in doing so. And who cares anyway.

 

So,that was the 'thread' where I 'lost the thread' and regretted it. I shall endeavour to be more circumspect and restrained and only, to quote Google, 'Do no evil'

 

Mind you, just DON'T mention Wooten Basset.

[joekicker 53]

appeared he just couldn't resist having a dig and spouting 'England is a cesspit' from behind the safety of quotation marks and under the guise of it being a 'Bloody interesting article' Which it ain't and Joe knows that.

 

..........BUT....There's no point in me writing stuff like that. I have no authority, or business in doing so. And who cares anyway.

 

You accused me of vastly editing and removing material in my posts, which didn't happen. When I told you it didn't happen, instead of owning up and admitting your accusation was total spit and you were mistaken, you removed the accusation. You couldn't, of course, remove the now-weird but forthright denial of your vile, false accusation.

 

THEN

 

..........BUT....There's no point in me writing stuff like that.

 

you wrote all the personal-attack, mind-reading guff all over again anyhow. But this time you were careful not to address or own up to the totally false accusation you made that I removed vast amounts of material from my post(s) which, I repeat, was false the first time you made it, and now is appearing to have been a deliberate lie, and it appears that way because you haven't the (something-something) to simply man up to it and admit a simple mistake, which I would have believed but now I don't.

 

You may think it's clever to let everyone read that accusing post and then remove it and try to appear innocent. You may think that.

 

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[Obsession 571]

"They" ???

 

The privately run academy denies the allegations, which are "allegations" by a teacher who is claiming unfair dismissal. The heading of the clip suggests that all children are taught this in school. which of course, is bollocks. Every single negative promotion of Islam here are ALL isolated cases and many unproven. Same old, same old. Just because we can google any side of a story we like, or fine a clip on You Tube means little. People are beginning to believe that the Internet is the holy Koran of answers, and that is scary. It is the information highway and is full of inaccuracies, and opinions. Any of us can start a site and put up our opinion on anything, even call it fact, but some idiot is likely to use it in a debate

 

That sums up your attitude...Deny truths. Even video confessions from a muslim MP and now, a school curriculum head, proven on a TV programme that they teach Jews are monkeys and Christians are pigs. The books were interpreted by TWO muslim scholars. But I guess that doesnt rate against MrPastry There is no excuse, repeat, no excuse for such stuff being handed out in schools. End of. Your just an apologist and traitor.

 

Glad people will see what we are up against in the UK. Soft, overly PC people in denial, who think that minorities cant put a foot wrong. Video evidence etc, is ignored and spun.

 

"they"????? = The school Whats your point? Fits in with behaviour we saw at Londonds biggest mosque where they refuse to stop selling hate cds, and dvds