Airport Body Scanners..

[joekicker 53]

What is wrong with discrimination, stereotyping? Usually it is spot on. And yes, some twat like McVeigh would have no vested interest in doing a plane.

 

I kind of agree. But there is a HUGE hole in your "logic" if I can use that word loosely.

 

The underwear bomber was not an Arab, but a clean-cut (well educated) African. The shoe-bomber was a Jamaican or whatever British citizen, a white guy. The dirty-bomb expert is a Puerto Rican. The guy caught on the battlefield shooting at Americans, and the current assistant to Osama bin Laden are California farmboys of pallor. The guy who was going to blow up LAX was a quite light Moroccan. The guy who was going to blow up the Portland Christmas tree lighting last weekend was African. The top Asian helpers of the 9/11 plot were Malaysian. The most recently common (if I can use that word loosely) suicide bombers were European women. NONE of these were Arabs.

 

And so on.

 

Most of the Arabs in the US are not Muslims. And anyhow, there isn't a single one of the Thousands Standing Around (TSA) rent-a-cops who could tell an Arab from an Indian from a Greek, and you and me together couldn't tell a Muslim from a non-Muslim under any circumstances at all.

 

You should profile. But if you profile young Arab men, you're going to get blown up, which is not good, but MUCH worse you're going to miss the bomber and he's going to blow ME up and I don't want that. So your basic profiling standards suck a huge one, although profiling per se does not suck.

 

but i can have a suposed bottle of red plax-200ml, a tube of 'toothpaste(it says), 100 ml, some roll on deoderant-200 ml and maybe some green mouthwash, 100ml, all inside a ziplock bag, which i can happily flash at a trolley dolly as i nip to the kazi and mix them up to form an explosive. Is it me or what?

 

There are SO many unclosed security holes. That's why I say it is only security theatre, meant to convince Aunt Emily and her ilk that daddy is looking after them and it's safe. You have to have some, but that's why it pixxes me off that they spend grazillions of dollars and promote hundreds of burger-flippers in moves that first of all violate my rights but just as importantly don't make me a tiny bit safer. The shoe bomber got on, the underwear bomber got on, the next "professional" will get on too. And let's hope we stay lucky, because for sure we aren't good.

 

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Edited November 27, 2010 by joekicker

[Al_Davis 28]

When I say Muslim, I was refering to the believers of islam. For believers not born into or already having a arabic name, they are given one after converting. Karem abdul Jabar,

Muhammad Ali etc. The Porland Tree bomber and others have these names. Underwear bomber/ muslim name, the Fort hood shooter/ muslim name, David Reid the shoe bomber had aliases of Tariq Raja, Abdel Rahim, Abdul Raheem and Abu Ibrahim. Ill bet many others who are, at this moment, trying to come up with ways to down planes have these names. Back to David Reid, maybe his passport still identified him as David Reid, it also identified him as going to Paskitan. Yemen, Afganistan and other hotbed countries should be Red flags for anyone with those stamps on their passports. Sorry to the ACLU but this is the world we now live in.

[jacko 8,778]

Again, you are not intelligent enough to understand an insult from a comparison to the tactics you used in your argument.

I am intelligent enough to grasp that the Nazi tactic is that of a lefty with nowhere else to go except into meltdown.

[midlifecrisis 4,030]

I am intelligent enough to grasp that the Nazi tactic is that of a lefty with nowhere else to go except into meltdown.

This shows how truly ignorant you are. I am a conservative. But I use information gleaned from many sources to make a point. I did not post references to the ACLU to make a political point. I used their site as they describe how the laws of search and seizure works. I used Hitler, as I could have used Lenin and many others, to show how shouting down a source is used to nullify the messenger (which is what you did) to indicate the message is not worthy of consideration. The left in America does exactly the same thing to Sarah Palin btw. I used Hitler as an example of THAT behavior. You assumed that I am a liberal.

 

Are you still there or has your inability to follow a line of reasoning stopped at the acronym ACLU?

 

You assumed I am a liberal and support the political positions of the ACLU because I used information from their website. I detest the ACLU's political positions. But I can read their website without fear of being corrupted and take what is accurate while ignoring what is political rhetoric.

 

Are you still there? Or has your AADHD taken over again?

 

You did not read my entire posts so you only latch onto what "offends" you - you see ACLU and you "ASSUME" I am a liberal. You do not think critically you simply react. You are a reactionary.

 

Remember that when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME.

 

Go back to movie quizzes. You are not capable of in depth analysis. You made this personal by not reading en toto what I wrote, not comprehending in its entirety what I was writing about, misstating my political beliefs because of your inability to grasp my meaning - then you took the Hitler comment personally you took it personally. It was an example of bad argument and not an attack of your personal philosophy - but you are not bright enough to understand that.

 

I am not responsible for your ignorance. lack of education or critical thinking skills.

 

Please put me on ignore and go back to the Movie Quiz topic.

 

BTW, I doubt that you read and truly comprehend this response either.

 

 

BTW, my complaints with JoeK is as follows:

 

!. He picks and chooses from a reply what he wants to force down other people's throats - even if it misrepresents what the original poster was expressing. Even if it amounts to a lie.

 

2. When caught in an incorrect position he turns the argument against the poster in ways that had nothing to do with what that poster queried or called him on (see my first post above and his initial response to mine).

 

3. He is never wrong in a world in which we all know nobody is infallible - where nobody has a monopoly on the truth. Joe pontificates infallibility.

 

4. He is an intellectual coward and I suspect a physical one also in the real world. Has any board member met him? My understanding from way back is that he will never meet other board members. A true keyboard warrior. I may be an asshole but I will stand up for myself in life and online. To Joe it is just the "effen internet" and lying and misrepresenting others and the truth is just part of the entertainment factor for him. Manipulating others is just part of the game.

 

jacko, I am sorry that you have fallen for the easy out, followed the JoeK line of bull like sheep have done all through history.

 

Goodbye all. 5000 posts is quite enough.

[joekicker 53]

When I say Muslim, I was refering to the believers of islam.

 

When I say "Muslim" I mean a billion or so people, a HUGE number of which you can't tell to look at them are Muslim - and another four, five billion who look pretty much the same as them. If you go by name, or you go by appearance, it doesn't matter - you can't catch them that way. There's a little more to successful profiling than that, and people with Russian names and Indonesian names and Tamil names are going to sail right by your profile post, just for starters. I know Surin Pitsuwan is Muslim because he's very prominent - other than that he looks, talks and has name EXACTLY like any Buddhist Thai - like most of the five million Muslims who are Thai. For example. You will NOT get all those young Muslim males by appearance or by name. Period. (To be more clear: HUGE numbers of Muslims have "ordinary" names and their Islamic ones. Such as Mr Surin, for example. "Surin Pitsuwan" is the one in his passport. Like most Muslims in Asia, he sails past your profilers.)

 

There's some kind of weird stereotype that Muslims and terrorists are Arabs. MOST of them aren't. Plus of course if you only (try to) stop young Arab males at the airport, they learn within two days and from then on the persons with the bombs will not be them (sort of like now, really). It's arguably dumber than Testing Sucker Americans (TSA).

 

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Edited November 28, 2010 by joekicker

[terminator 0]

I kind of agree. But there is a HUGE hole in your "logic" if I can use that word loosely.

 

The underwear bomber was not an Arab, but a clean-cut (well educated) African. The shoe-bomber was a Jamaican or whatever British citizen, a white guy. The dirty-bomb expert is a Puerto Rican. The guy caught on the battlefield shooting at Americans, and the current assistant to Osama bin Laden are California farmboys of pallor. The guy who was going to blow up LAX was a quite light Moroccan. The guy who was going to blow up the Portland Christmas tree lighting last weekend was African. The top Asian helpers of the 9/11 plot were Malaysian. The most recently common (if I can use that word loosely) suicide bombers were European women. NONE of these were Arabs.

 

And so on.

 

Most of the Arabs in the US are not Muslims. And anyhow, there isn't a single one of the Thousands Standing Around (TSA) rent-a-cops who could tell an Arab from an Indian from a Greek, and you and me together couldn't tell a Muslim from a non-Muslim under any circumstances at all.

 

You should profile. But if you profile young Arab men, you're going to get blown up, which is not good, but MUCH worse you're going to miss the bomber and he's going to blow ME up and I don't want that. So your basic profiling standards suck a huge one, although profiling per se does not suck.

 

 

 

There are SO many unclosed security holes. That's why I say it is only security theatre, meant to convince Aunt Emily and her ilk that daddy is looking after them and it's safe. You have to have some, but that's why it pixxes me off that they spend grazillions of dollars and promote hundreds of burger-flippers in moves that first of all violate my rights but just as importantly don't make me a tiny bit safer. The shoe bomber got on, the underwear bomber got on, the next "professional" will get on too. And let's hope we stay lucky, because for sure we aren't good.

 

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I kind of agree. But there is a HUGE hole in your "logic" if I can use that word loosely.

 

The underwear bomber was not an Arab, but a clean-cut (well educated) African. The shoe-bomber was a Jamaican or whatever British citizen, a white guy. The dirty-bomb expert is a Puerto Rican. The guy caught on the battlefield shooting at Americans, and the current assistant to Osama bin Laden are California farmboys of pallor. The guy who was going to blow up LAX was a quite light Moroccan. The guy who was going to blow up the Portland Christmas tree lighting last weekend was African. The top Asian helpers of the 9/11 plot were Malaysian. The most recently common (if I can use that word loosely) suicide bombers were European women. NONE of these were Arabs.

 

And so on.

 

Most of the Arabs in the US are not Muslims. And anyhow, there isn't a single one of the Thousands Standing Around (TSA) rent-a-cops who could tell an Arab from an Indian from a Greek, and you and me together couldn't tell a Muslim from a non-Muslim under any circumstances at all.

 

You should profile. But if you profile young Arab men, you're going to get blown up, which is not good, but MUCH worse you're going to miss the bomber and he's going to blow ME up and I don't want that. So your basic profiling standards suck a huge one, although profiling per se does not suck.

 

 

 

There are SO many unclosed security holes. That's why I say it is only security theatre, meant to convince Aunt Emily and her ilk that daddy is looking after them and it's safe. You have to have some, but that's why it pixxes me off that they spend grazillions of dollars and promote hundreds of burger-flippers in moves that first of all violate my rights but just as importantly don't make me a tiny bit safer. The shoe bomber got on, the underwear bomber got on, the next "professional" will get on too. And let's hope we stay lucky, because for sure we aren't good.

 

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Simple as this, all modern terrorists are muslim-fact, if not fact, convenient.

Make bacon sandwiches and a beer compulsory at check in along with my questions. Any vegiterians can fuck off as well.

[joekicker 53]

That's "simple" all right, I'll give you that.

 

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[terminator 0]

That's "simple" all right, I'll give you that.

 

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It really is that simple, your modern terrorist is muslim. since 9/11, terrorism for other organizations is not really cool and most have given up. additionally very few non-ragheads like the idea of suicide to prove a point. all this says muslims are terrorists, or rather terrorists are muslims. they are muslims by virtue of their religeous beliefs, therefore target their beliefs, sort out muslims from non muslims and subject the ragheads to full body and cavity searches. if allah had meant them to fly he would have given them wings.

simple

[jacko 8,778]

This shows how truly ignorant you are. I am a conservative. But I use information gleaned from many sources to make a point. I did not post references to the ACLU to make a political point. I used their site as they describe how the laws of search and seizure works. I used Hitler, as I could have used Lenin and many others, to show how shouting down a source is used to nullify the messenger (which is what you did) to indicate the message is not worthy of consideration. The left in America does exactly the same thing to Sarah Palin btw. I used Hitler as an example of THAT behavior. You assumed that I am a liberal.

 

Are you still there or has your inability to follow a line of reasoning stopped at the acronym ACLU?

 

You assumed I am a liberal and support the political positions of the ACLU because I used information from their website. I detest the ACLU's political positions. But I can read their website without fear of being corrupted and take what is accurate while ignoring what is political rhetoric.

 

Are you still there? Or has your AADHD taken over again?

 

You did not read my entire posts so you only latch onto what "offends" you - you see ACLU and you "ASSUME" I am a liberal. You do not think critically you simply react. You are a reactionary.

 

Remember that when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME.

 

Go back to movie quizzes. You are not capable of in depth analysis. You made this personal by not reading en toto what I wrote, not comprehending in its entirety what I was writing about, misstating my political beliefs because of your inability to grasp my meaning - then you took the Hitler comment personally you took it personally. It was an example of bad argument and not an attack of your personal philosophy - but you are not bright enough to understand that.

 

I am not responsible for your ignorance. lack of education or critical thinking skills.

 

Please put me on ignore and go back to the Movie Quiz topic.

 

BTW, I doubt that you read and truly comprehend this response either.

 

 

BTW, my complaints with JoeK is as follows:

 

!. He picks and chooses from a reply what he wants to force down other people's throats - even if it misrepresents what the original poster was expressing. Even if it amounts to a lie.

 

2. When caught in an incorrect position he turns the argument against the poster in ways that had nothing to do with what that poster queried or called him on (see my first post above and his initial response to mine).

 

3. He is never wrong in a world in which we all know nobody is infallible - where nobody has a monopoly on the truth. Joe pontificates infallibility.

 

4. He is an intellectual coward and I suspect a physical one also in the real world. Has any board member met him? My understanding from way back is that he will never meet other board members. A true keyboard warrior. I may be an asshole but I will stand up for myself in life and online. To Joe it is just the "effen internet" and lying and misrepresenting others and the truth is just part of the entertainment factor for him. Manipulating others is just part of the game.

 

jacko, I am sorry that you have fallen for the easy out, followed the JoeK line of bull like sheep have done all through history.

 

Goodbye all. 5000 posts is quite enough.

You must be the most arrogant prick since Otherway.... well done.