Russians in Pattaya

[BigDUSA 71]

Mommy probably wouldn't let you go any further than the end of the street then.

 

I've worked in both the former Soviet Union, a number of the member states of the CIS and later former Soviet Republics. (Ive also worked in the USA) My wife (from Moldova - when I met her a Soviet Republic) was a professor of English at the University of Kishinev and I had many opportunities to talk with her friends and family. I'm not going to try and educate you peckerhead as you're obviously too brainwashed but I can assure you that many of them had travelled (without restriction) and my wife had been to New York before I met her, with a University exchange program. It assisted us greatly in procuring her visa to travel to Australia as she already had the passport and prior travel.

 

Frequent topics of discussion with her friends and family related to world events and I admit I was initially shocked, I too had been fed the BS about their ignorance and travel restrictions etc. These people were genuinely warm and great fun to be with. In the city areas they were far better informed and educated than many of the places I've travelled to - and that's a lot. The country areas resemble the country areas of Issan (without icicles and snow in Winter) and I find the people in both areas warm and accomodating, unfortunately both groups tend to be less educated than their city compatriots - but no less happy. I honestly prefer the "country" folk and will eventually retire to Issan in an environment where the worries of the so called "educated world" can go by without any of us noticing, or caring.

 

I'm not really anti US (really) but I AM ANTI BS. Uneducated trolls like you are the tools that the propoganda artists use to spread their lies and deception. The US just happens to be the world leader in propoganda at the moment but it has meny rivals for the position, including but not limited to: the UK, France, Australia, Israel and many muslim nations. Before you judge a people live there, visit the many different levels of society, clear your mind of pejudice and OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES and ears. The world is very different to what you'll read on the internet or what your government wants you to see in the media.

 

I need to get back to work - I have a group of Russian tourists to take out on the boat tomorrow and have some preparations to do.

 

Cheers : Admiral Ken

 

Why were the E. German border guards shooting people trying to escape E. Germany? I lived in Germany for three years and there were reports in the newspaper regularly on border shootings.

[Gabor 296]

Why were the E. German border guards shooting people trying to escape E. Germany? I lived in Germany for three years and there were reports in the newspaper regularly on border shootings.

 

East Germany was much more bigoted, than the russians.... Whilst I lived ( University ) in Moscow and I had a relative freedom my mates learnt in the GDR moaned all the times how the E germans are bigoted... However at this time many E german jokes were popular expressing the tunnel viewed fanatics...

[Gabor 296]

You are obviously anti-american. So be it. But if you remotely compare the crimes committed by Stalin to the problems that beset Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union, you are not only an ignoramus, but an apologist in the worst sense for the greatest evil of our times. Stalin, by almost any measure, was far worse than Hitler. As to your assertion that there was never a "formal" ban on Russians traveling abroad you are probably correct. That was never the formal policy of the Soviet Union (which you seem to swallow hook, line, and sinker). But let me put it to the members of this board if their experiences are similar to mine. I am an experienced traveler. Prior to 1989 and the fall of the Soviet Union, I never once met a tourist from Russia. If there was never a formal ban, there was most certainly a de-facto ban. So I will venture a guess. You are a big fan of "Red" Ken, the commie mayor of London.

 

Correct... even to visit an other commie country - like Hungary - was hard to impossible...

 

My dad told me jokingly then:

 

Nuclear warheads, red army... not serious... Passport... it would be...

[Gabor 296]

I never met a tourist from Russia either before 1989, but if you have no money you can't travel abroad on holiday.

 

I aggree though that travel abroad would have been difficult before the fall of communism. I was working in Kiev last year and the Ukrainian girl that was translating for me told me that the people of the USSR were told that they were the most advanced country, that the people in the west had nothing compared to what was available to them. She was then amazed when she went to the States on a sports scholarship or team visit and needed new trainers at the choice available to her as there was none in her country. That was when the penny dropped for her.

 

So a couple of reasons there why they didn't travel, no money and no desire due to what they were told by the authorities.

 

I lived in Russia 1980- 1986... yes, the propaganda was heavy, but the people only laughed on it and were aware about the huge difference... The only factor was the strong nationalism by every single state to brag themselves...

 

A funny dialogue I listened between a russian and a georgian:

 

Russian: You georgians are dark skinned, uneducated barbarians

Georgian: We had temples already when russians ate the crows alive, you have no history

[harro1 256]

Fucking funny .....

 

I spent my youth in Russia ( University ) and I really love them... ( much more, than my own hungarians ) I had my best friends in Russia, I'm always defended the russians from the dumb racist / commie comments etc. etc...

 

However... they started to annoy me too... not because of their talking style, ( I'm understand it, I'm fluent in russian ) but because they started to ruin my fun...

 

1. Living in Jomtien I found hard to get a bahtbus going to Pattaya, just because those annoying pricks hire the bahtbuses... I may wait for 10-15 minutes, looking on 10-15 bahtbuses 2-3-4 russians hired and don't stopped.... The typical LDOP syndrome...

 

2. For my very big surprises many girls reported me the following: the russian couple enter in the GOGO bar... pays a lot of the ladydrinks... and having fun... later - probably when the russian girl already sleep - the man coming back to the bar... and hire the thai girl for a quickie... ST room, 10 minutes, full barfine paid, agree for any prices... just like the asian visitors... Guess your chances for the LT or an extended ST...

 

So would you lend more than 300,000 baht to a Russian?

[jacko 8,813]

So would you lend more than 300,000 baht to a Russian?

Ouch......

[Gabor 296]

So would you lend more than 300,000 baht to a Russian?

 

I learnt my lesson...

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

I lived in Russia 1980- 1986... yes, the propaganda was heavy, but the people only laughed on it and were aware about the huge difference... The only factor was the strong nationalism by every single state to brag themselves...

 

A funny dialogue I listened between a russian and a georgian:

 

Russian: You georgians are dark skinned, uneducated barbarians

Georgian: We had temples already when russians ate the crows alive, you have no history

Gabor, thanks for that tidbit of the realities that existed behind the Iron Curtain.

 

We only have to look to the former Yugoslavia to understand the differences in nationalism, religion and ethnicity that were held in check by totalitarianism.

 

Compared to Europe we colonials have no history.

 

I wonder what the Chinese would say to all of that - or even the Egyptians.

 

Thanks again!

[Gabor 296]

Gabor, thanks for that tidbit of the realities that existed behind the Iron Curtain.

 

We only have to look to the former Yugoslavia to understand the differences in nationalism, religion and ethnicity that were held in check by totalitarianism.

 

Compared to Europe we colonials have no history.

 

I wonder what the Chinese would say to all of that - or even the Egyptians.

 

Thanks again!

 

It isn't so simple.... Under the commies the universal enemy was given for the people: The government... even the members of the commie party ( it was mandatory for many jobs ) hated some of the propaganda... Remember, in the early eighties the videos appeared to see at home the western movies... ( I remember of those pirate copies... USA movie, german synchron, dutch subtitles and hungarian / russian voice over ) When all collapsed appeared from the nothing the religion gurus, the religion sheers, the nationalist phrophets... We liked or not the commie era one thing was given: the stability... No one had to worry about the money, everything was cheap ( at least what was available and this was really limited ) everybody had a job ( the law punished if you was jobless ) true many times it was a fake job, nothing to do at the workplace... everybody had a minimum standard of life and no really rich people around... Following the collapse one thing was given: the unstability.. the chaos for decades... ( until now on some level ) The people lost the bases and it was a great soil for the fake prophets... just to feel in a group, just to follow something etc... Under the commies the hatred between the states was given because of the history.... BUT ... I visited many times Georgia... In the Abkhaz teritories the Abhazes and the gerogians swore a little and a few minutes later we had a dinner at the same table and drunk together in good mood... A few years later I was shoched to see in the news, the same people killing each others....

[peckerwood 60]

Thanks Gabor. I appreciate your posts very much, because you are someone who has first hand experience in living in the former "evil empire" . Yes, and you are absolutely right. It isn't simple at all. The collectivist state still has strong appeal to many, even (and especially) in the West. A guaranteed job, a guaranteed minimum standard of living (food, housing, health care, etc, etc). Yes, these minimums were pretty meager, but it was something one could depend on, so it is not surprising in the least that many Russians and also some in Eastern Europe pined for the return of the old communist state. But at the end of the day it is not about economics, but about the human spirit. To surrender ones autonomy to a state that promises to take care of you from birth to the day of your death is to assume the state of perpetual childhood. If we are to grow, we must ultimately be responsible for our own choices in life, and suffer the consequences accordingly. The "Progressive" movement in America and old style Communism both suffer from the same spiritual flaw-- abdicating out personal responsibility to an all knowing state run by so-called experts, that will relieve us of the responsibilities of adulthood. So if you are a child wanting to be taken care of, by all means vote for Obama(and if you are a Brit, whoever Admiral Ken may be inclined to support).

[Alphonse 109]

Thanks Gabor. I appreciate your posts very much, because you are someone who has first hand experience in living in the former "evil empire" . Yes, and you are absolutely right. It isn't simple at all. The collectivist state still has strong appeal to many, even (and especially) in the West. A guaranteed job, a guaranteed minimum standard of living (food, housing, health care, etc, etc). Yes, these minimums were pretty meager, but it was something one could depend on, so it is not surprising in the least that many Russians and also some in Eastern Europe pined for the return of the old communist state. But at the end of the day it is not about economics, but about the human spirit. To surrender ones autonomy to a state that promises to take care of you from birth to the day of your death is to assume the state of perpetual childhood. If we are to grow, we must ultimately be responsible for our own choices in life, and suffer the consequences accordingly. The "Progressive" movement in America and old style Communism both suffer from the same spiritual flaw-- abdicating out personal responsibility to an all knowing state run by so-called experts, that will relieve us of the responsibilities of adulthood. So if you are a child wanting to be taken care of, by all means vote for Obama(and if you are a Brit, whoever Admiral Ken may be inclined to support).

 

Yep. The "human spirit" really soars when the likes of Exxon and GE are allowed to make billions in profits and not pay a dime in taxes.....

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

Yep. The "human spirit" really soars when the likes of Exxon and GE are allowed to make billions in profits and not pay a dime in taxes.....

I did not google Exxon but here is an ABC news report on GE:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558

 

The bottom line: over 14 billion in profit and zero taxes paid and their CEO is Obama's jobs czar.

 

Republican, Democrat, two sides of the same corrupt coin.

[peckerwood 60]

I did not google Exxon but here is an ABC news report on GE:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558

 

The bottom line: over 14 billion in profit and zero taxes paid and their CEO is Obama's jobs czar.

 

Republican, Democrat, two sides of the same corrupt coin.

 

Ultimately, government is the source of all corruption. It is when big business gets in bed with big government (the case with GE, among many others) that big business itself becomes corrupt. Many folks on the right confuse "pro business" with pro "free market". I consider myself a pro free market libertarian. But the US economy has long since ceased to be a free market. Especially pernicious is when big business teams up with big government to limit competition. Contrary to what many believe, big corporations love government regulations. That is because they can afford to comply, but the smaller companies that might successfully compete cannot. I truly find it entertaining that so many of you lefties love Obama. He is a big promoter of the Corporatist state (the collusion between big business and big government that the fascists in their day so successfully exploited). Many on the right accuse Obama of being a socialist. He is not. He is a fascist down to the very bone.

[bob99 0]

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I cannot believe the general comments about the russians

Last year I stayed at the Centara Grand Mirage complex in pattaya our family holiday was completely ruined by the boorish rude ignorant and inconsiderate behavior of the Russians.I am no spring chicken and have traveled the world and lived through a world war and rate the holiday most trying experience ever,that is having russians in the same hotel on holiday.

Note not a newcomer to thailand been visiting over 25years before any advice is given.I have stayed at least 15 different hotels in Pattaya and JOMTIEN

BOB B YORKSHIRE ENGLAND

[jacko 8,813]

I cannot believe the general comments about the russians

Last year I stayed at the Centara Grand Mirage complex in pattaya our family holiday was completely ruined by the boorish rude ignorant and inconsiderate behavior of the Russians.I am no spring chicken and have traveled the world and lived through a world war and rate the holiday most trying experience ever,that is having russians in the same hotel on holiday.

Note not a newcomer to thailand been visiting over 25years before any advice is given.I have stayed at least 15 different hotels in Pattaya and JOMTIEN

BOB B YORKSHIRE ENGLAND

Aye but you Yorkshire lads are so nice.

I felt a similar way in a hotel full of Chinese.

[Pattaya Bill 34]

 

I am a tea party supporter and I am proud of it. The tea party movement represents all that is good in the American mind. That you hold it in contempt speaks volumes about you!

I apologize for commenting on this topic on a forum DEALING WITH PATTAYA, but while the Tea Party is allegedly a "Grass Root movement", etc. etc., have you heard of the billionaire Koch brothers who are actually financing and pulling the Tea Party's strings? Look into it.

[Pattaya Bill 34]

I did not google Exxon but here is an ABC news report on GE:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558

 

The bottom line: over 14 billion in profit and zero taxes paid and their CEO is Obama's jobs czar.

 

Republican, Democrat, two sides of the same corrupt coin.

The initial media reports regarding G.E. were inaccurate. Subsequent reports revealed that G.E. used LOSSES realized by their subsidiary, G.E. Capital to offset their other profits. Even so, they still owed and paid taxes. I can go at length about Wisconson's governor (who was financed by the Koch brothers) and how he's screwing the working class, but I think this forum is about Pattaya.

[peckerwood 60]

I apologize for commenting on this topic on a forum DEALING WITH PATTAYA, but while the Tea Party is allegedly a "Grass Root movement", etc. etc., have you heard of the billionaire Koch brothers who are actually financing and pulling the Tea Party's strings? Look into it.

 

Oh, pa-leeze. Where is your evidence of that? I have no doubt that the Koch brothers give to causes they believe in. What is wrong with that? But what about the extreme left wing George Soros (almost singlehandedly responsible for the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990's that resulted in so much suffering to the poor in this part of the world that this dispicable bastard claims he cares so much about). This modern day robber baron funds so many leftist causes (MoveOn, Media Matters, etc) that it is hard to keep track of them all. Yet I don't hear any complaints from you hippocrits on the left about his billions being spent to undermine American democracy and to increase the suffering of the worlds poor people.

Edited June 5, 2011 by peckerwood

[peckerwood 60]

The initial media reports regarding G.E. were inaccurate. Subsequent reports revealed that G.E. used LOSSES realized by their subsidiary, G.E. Capital to offset their other profits. Even so, they still owed and paid taxes. I can go at length about Wisconson's governor (who was financed by the Koch brothers) and how he's screwing the working class, but I think this forum is about Pattaya.

Wisconsin's governor screwing the working class? No, the public sector unions are screwing everybody, including workers in the private sector. Get a grip. Unless you are a parasite public sector employee you too are getting screwed big time(that is, if you are a taxpayer in Wisconsin).