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[Siam Sam 964]

Quite.

 

They appear to have spent quite a bit for this season ... Personally, I think that the 20m spent on Ramirez and Rodriguez is a waste of money that City would be proud of.

 

 

Nice try Tom. All the money spent on the players you have posted have been financed through a change of ownership at the club, as the new owners are more ambitious than the previous ones. The money that they made from the selling of players in the past was not reinvested into buying players of equal stature, for years that club was run for the benefit of Rupert Lowe and his cronies.

[wacmedia 277]

Teams cant afford to keep the players, the players are offered double the money the sellers have no choice...

 

Hi,

 

The top players can decide themselves where they play these days alright. RVP gets less at United than he would have gotten at City. Press guys say Arsenal will struggle if they don't make the Champions League. Wrong. They have been struggling for years because they are not paying as much as Chelsea, in transfer fees and wages, for players like Hazard and Mata who Wenger wanted to buy.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Nice try Tom. All the money spent on the players you have posted have been financed through a change of ownership at the club, as the new owners are more ambitious than the previous ones. The money that they made from the selling of players in the past was not reinvested into buying players of equal stature, for years that club was run for the benefit of Rupert Lowe and his cronies.

 

Of the players you quoted, Oxlade-Chamberlain was sold by the present owners and Shearer went before Lowe. I'm sure they could have done a lot with the 5m quid they got upfront for Walcott. It wouldn't even have bought you a Scottish goalkeeper. As it is, the current owners paid around 10-15m for the club and its assets and have chucked in another 30+m quid for players in the last year - partly financed by the 12-15m quid they received from Arsenal for the aforementioned, Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Edited March 4, 2013 by CheshireTom

[Parkwahn 61]

Hi,

 

The top players can decide themselves where they play these days alright. RVP gets less at United than he would have gotten at City. Press guys say Arsenal will struggle if they don't make the Champions League. Wrong. They have been struggling for years because they are not paying as much as Chelsea, in transfer fees and wages, for players like Hazard and Mata who Wenger wanted to buy.

 

I wont be arguing with that, not sure RVP will be on less than City Rooney is on the same as City players Ferguson does a terrfic job in keeping superstars on proper money and non superstars on normal money, there is kudos playing for Man Utd for players.

[Parkwahn 61]

None of the millions and millions of pounds made from the sale of players is invested into making suitable replacements at Southampton. Fact.

 

For sure Southampton dont have the money to pay players that cost multi million, how can they invest in a player they cant afford to pay ?

[Bullfrog 2,224]

For sure Southampton dont have the money to pay players that cost multi million, how can they invest in a player they cant afford to pay ?

 

Exactly..the heart has been ripped out of English football ...would have LOVED to see some of the more recent youth players at The Dell...What does it mean now to go to a game? It used to be about experiencing different grounds with different playing conditions now its about the best camera angles..

[Siam Sam 964]

Of the players you quoted, Oxlade-Chamberlain was sold by the present owners

 

Yes and some of the money has been used to buy new players, including Ramirez. Did I or did I not say that the new owners have more ambition than the old ones? Do you argue other people's points for them now Tom?

 

I'm sure they could have done a lot with the 5m quid they got upfront for Walcott. It wouldn't even have bought you a Scottish goalkeeper.

 

In the end they received around nine million for Walcott. They could have put that with the eight million they got for Dean Richards, the seven million they got for Wayne Bridge, the seven million they got for Peter Crouch, the six million they got for James Beattie, the three million they got for Chris Baird and the seven million for Gareth Bale which would come to a total of forty-seven million pounds, a pretty tidy sum and invested wisely could have brought some very good players to the club. You obviously don't know much about football Tom if you think five million pounds won't buy you a Scottish goalkeeper.

 

As it is, the current owners paid around 10-15m for the club and its assets and have chucked in another 30+m quid for players in the last year - partly financed by the 12-15m quid they received from Arsenal for the aforementioned, Oxlade-Chamberlain.

 

As I have said, the new owners have more ambition than the previous owners. That was my point, thanks for agreeing with me.

 

I appreciate you're old and lonely Tom and only have the internet for company but you should really try to do something more constructive than spending all day every day on this forum looking to argue with people by scouring posts looking for the slightest discrepancies in the logicality of every thing that is said, or the anomalies that very often occur in debates. It gives the impression that you're a rather sad individual. Maybe you're not but everything about your behaviour on this forum suggests you are.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Siam Sam

[Guest Fatboyfat]

Erm... There was a small problem of a new stadium to be paid for down there. You really seem to have no concept on the financial implications for FCs nowadays Sammy, let alone bothering to read what was being remarked upon within the thread ( as ever). To slate a club for having one of the best youth policies in the country as proof of lacking ambition is farcical, to say the least. Money rules 100% nowadays; and unless you buy your team (and we do that as much as City, Chelski and any other club in with the slightest chance of winning the Premiership or Champions League) you cannot compete. "Ambition" for the huge majority would be an FA Cup, League Cup win,or even remaining in their current league. The days of Nottingham Forest, Derby etc are long gone and unless measures such as "Wage Capping" (which won't happen in my lifetime) are brought in then no club other than the top 4 or 5 will be able to have any "ambition" in your eyes.

[Dungheap 243]

Very well said FatBoy.

 

But you can probably expect the, "You obviously don't know much about football" response ...

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I appreciate you're old and lonely Tom and only have the internet for company but you should really try to do something more constructive than spending all day every day on this forum looking to argue with people by scouring posts looking for the slightest discrepancies in the logicality of every thing that is said, or the anomalies that very often occur in debates. It gives the impression that you're a rather sad individual. Maybe you're not but everything about your behaviour on this forum suggests you are.

 

Is that a follow-on from your ex-copper analysis? Stick to the footie.

 

Just so I know what you are talking about ... you started off by saying Southampton are a poorly run club and have always lacked ambition - that's what I responded to. It's hardly my fault that you didn't actually mean it is a poorly run club, nor that it has always lacked ambition.

Edited March 5, 2013 by CheshireTom

[Dungheap 243]

What was Fergie doing playing that lightweight sulk Nani in such a big game and Wellback over Rooney????

 

Costly decision.

[Siam Sam 964]

Erm... There was a small problem of a new stadium to be paid for down there.

 

 

As far as I'm aware it cost around thirty million to build that stadium. They've been paying for that for a rather long time?

 

You really seem to have no concept on the financial implications for FCs nowadays Sammy, let alone bothering to read what was being remarked upon within the thread ( as ever).

 

 

How do you know which bits of the thread I have or haven't read? Are you telepathic?

 

 

To slate a club for having one of the best youth policies in the country as proof of lacking ambition is farcical, to say the least.

 

 

If you keep selling all the good players you produce and then don't spend it on new players then what's the point in having the youth policy? Are you trying to tell me that the club was run ambitiously when Rupert Lowe was the chairman? At one point they had Clive Woodward assisting the manager.

 

Money rules 100% nowadays; and unless you buy your team (and we do that as much as City, Chelski and any other club in with the slightest chance of winning the Premiership or Champions League) you cannot compete. "Ambition" for the huge majority would be an FA Cup, League Cup win,or even remaining in their current league. The days of Nottingham Forest, Derby etc are long gone and unless measures such as "Wage Capping" (which won't happen in my lifetime) are brought in then no club other than the top 4 or 5 will be able to have any "ambition" in your eyes.

 

I agree that money dictates everything in football now but even knowing that, how is it conducive to ambition to sell all your best players?

 

Very well said FatBoy.

 

But you can probably expect the, "You obviously don't know much about football" response ...

 

Keep expecting it then in that case.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Siam Sam

[papillon 695]

Didn't Real enter into some sort of partnership with Spurs at the time of the Modric deal? I'm sure Real would be prepared/over the moon to offer the Croatian as part-exchange for Bale.

 

Still sure?

 

Cracking goal he scored tonight to help knock Man U out of the Champions League.

[Parkwahn 61]

What was Fergie doing playing that lightweight sulk Nani in such a big game and Wellback over Rooney????

 

Costly decision.

 

He played a highly mobile team and until the sending off it went to plan, pretty stupid by the player........ The irony if he had not had such a defensive line up they may well have one , got to fee for the team when one moron does that.

 

For RVP its one more high profile game he does not deliver for Holland at the top and now Man Utd,,, if he were playing Wigan he would have scored 2 tonight......

 

Great game though, Mourinhoi taking the piss at the end,,, he is a funny guy ..

[Dungheap 243]

If you keep selling all the good players you produce and then don't spend it on new players then what's the point in having the youth policy?

 

Quite.

 

They appear to have spent quite a bit for this season ... Personally, I think that the 20m spent on Ramirez and Rodriguez is a waste of money that City would be proud of.

 

 

 

Sam they have been spending a packet on new players. Did you read Tom's post?

[Siam Sam 964]

Nice try Tom. All the money spent on the players you have posted have been financed through a change of ownership at the club, as the new owners are more ambitious than the previous ones. The money that they made from the selling of players in the past was not reinvested into buying players of equal stature, for years that club was run for the benefit of Rupert Lowe and his cronies.

 

 

Sam they have been spending a packet on new players. Did you read Tom's post?

 

Yes I did. Did you read the post above that I made in response to that? Maybe you could read it now, paying particular attention to sentence two.

[atlas2 4,329]

It looks like Fergie may sell Rooney this Summer.

[Dungheap 243]

I don't think so Atlas but time will tell. Rooney's omission from the starting line-up against Real was more a tactical move I believe.

 

Many comment that Rooney is not the player he was a few years back but he is often played out of position to accommodate other players in the team.

 

He has become more of a selfless player, regularly setting up teammates for easy goals instead of having a shot himself.

 

He's still one of the best players in the league, IMHO.

 

That goal he scored against Norwich was right our of the top drawer.

 

Also, for a forward, Shreck puts in a solid defensive shift.

[wacmedia 277]

 

He has become more of a selfless player, regularly setting up teammates for easy goals instead of having a shot himself.

 

He's still one of the best players in the league, IMHO.

 

.

 

Hi,

 

He deserved a place in the starting line up on his record. I thought Kagawa would start as well after a hat trick last game.

[atlas2 4,329]

Rooney replaced Paul Scholes as my favourite current player. I confess I watch Man U largely because of him. I like his footballing intelligence and 100% commitment. I want him to stay. Man Utd are a great club. If he leaves it will be for somewhere like PSG and I don't fancy following French football.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Rooney replaced Paul Scholes as my favourite current player.

 

If Fergie reckons he's in decline, he'll go in the summer for a good price. IMHO.

 

That rules out Southampton. Apparently.

Edited March 7, 2013 by CheshireTom

[Guest Fatboyfat]

Won't happen in a month of Sundays! This one is pure media hysteria. Rooney will still be at Old Trafford long after RVP has gone or is broken!

[Parkwahn 61]

Won't happen in a month of Sundays! This one is pure media hysteria. Rooney will still be at Old Trafford long after RVP has gone or is broken!

 

I am not so sure Rooney is a terrific player, great competitor but he has been at the top since 16 years of age , his desire on the park is never found wanting but he is overweight and perhaps losing his overall commitment,. I agree it was a tactical one leaving him out but Fergie is not often wrong, Rooney has been the English player of his generation...

[Siam Sam 964]

Won't happen in a month of Sundays! This one is pure media hysteria. Rooney will still be at Old Trafford long after RVP has gone or is broken!

 

I agree. The decision to leave him on the bench was a tactical decision that probably would have worked if it wasn't for the very harsh decision to send Nani off for what should have been a yellow card. Rooney has to start one big game on the bench and the media whip up the hysteria by saying he is unhappy and will move on which isn't going to happen, Rooney will stay until he retires in my opinion. He needs fifty-five goals to beat Bobby Charlton's all time scoring record which he will achieve and then become a legend at Old Trafford.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I agree. The decision to leave him on the bench was a tactical decision that probably would have worked if it wasn't for the very harsh decision to send Nani off for what should have been a yellow card. Rooney has to start one big game on the bench and the media whip up the hysteria by saying he is unhappy and will move on which isn't going to happen, Rooney will stay until he retires in my opinion. He needs fifty-five goals to beat Bobby Charlton's all time scoring record which he will achieve and then become a legend at Old Trafford.

 

If his (Rooney) wife chooses to question SAF's team selections on social networks, the media can hardly be accused of whipping up hysteria.