SuperSight Surgery

[fordtech 1]

https://www.bangkokpattayahospital.com/en/healthcare-services-en/lasik-and-supersight-surgery-center-en.html

 

I was wondering in any one has had the SuperSight surgery done in Pattaya?

[jacko 8,822]

https://www.bangkokpattayahospital.com/en/healthcare-services-en/lasik-and-supersight-surgery-center-en.html

 

I was wondering in any one has had the SuperSight surgery done in Pattaya?

My pal had it done and has been very happy and now does not require glasses, he had the multi focus lenses fitted.

Plus I have heard at the Expats club guys praising the results, one guy said he had been amazed by the sudden clarity and brightness of the colours he could now see.

 

Just to balance that, I do know someone who, as he was beginning to develop a cataract, had a lens replacement, and subsequently developed a detached retina. This required expensive treatments which ultimately failed.

 

Me, I have some ageing issues requiring me to need distance and reading glasses and the aggravation of them, but I am a chicken-shit and decided cataracts would be my only reason to do this.

[cbrib 354]

I have a friend that had it done and couldn't be happier with it. I also had lasik done there and it came out very well

[bigmick 840]

I am contemplaiting having this done in the next few months at BKK/Pattaya hospital. Does anyone have any idea on cost

[Regyai 415]

Super-sight is the buzz word phrase for multifocal replacement lenses

These may not be for you as they take much more assimilation than the normal monofocal ones. They were explained to me as a 'stepped' lens (think of multi rings like a fingerprint) giving alternately long distance/near distance results, the brain has to 'learn' to decipher these inputs into a single image.

There are many types of lenses available and it pays to research first

That said I had both eyes done in the one session some years ago in Pattaya (monofocals) and yes it was like switching to HD ...shoulda done it earlier

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[MM 6,562]

I am contemplaiting having this done in the next few months at BKK/Pattaya hospital. Does anyone have any idea on cost

 

I did some inquiries into this a while ago, and as I recall, the price for the procedure was in the 200K range.

[jacko 8,822]

Send this guy an email, I would expect the hospital to be more.

Here are the prices for The International

Seems to tie in with MM's post above which initially I thought was low.

[ikkrang 490]

I had a few similar things done at BKK Pattaya Hosiptal over the past year.

 

First, treatment fir cateracts, which included blasting the cats with a ultrasound, then cutting open the lens, draining the debris, and inserting graduated plastic lenses.

A month ir two aftrr, adjustment using a laser.

 

Six months after that laser treatment of the front if my lenses, similar to Lasik but slightly different due to personal characterisitcs.

 

Initially my response was all positive, I drove without glasses, first time no glasses since I was five.

 

Low light vision was still not brilliant, so at night I wire driving glasses adjusted for distance. Close up fine detail, also not brilliant. As a photographer, spending lots if time on a screen, critical, so I got close up glasses for that purpose.

 

The last operation was intended to correct my astgmatism, and supposed to remove any further need for glases.

But on my one month check up, a week ago, the specialist was surprised to find my vidion has not improved as much as he and I expected. He tested and re tested, then decided to consult a Retina specilalist. She photographed tge retina through various machines, and came to the conclusion that I had a condition called epi membrane Retina, or something similar. It is a layer of cells growing on the retina, slightly distorting its shape, and effecting my. Vidion. It was in early stages, and therefore not picked up earlier.

 

It will eventually get worse, but no prediction when or how fast.

 

Currently , my vision is better then ever before in my life. But likely, downhill from here on. I hope slowly.

 

I don't blame my medical care, I have full confidence in my doctirs, and would still recommend this hospital for eye service.

 

Everyone us different, luck if the draw.

 

Now I better get back to my photography, while I can still see.....

[MM 6,562]

ikkrang, did you go to the SuperSight clinic, and if so, what doctor was your primary on the surgery and treatment?

[ikkrang 490]

I went to the eye clinic on the third floor, saw Dr Srisuraj Sawang, who was my primary in surgery and treatment. Some of the examinations were done in the Lasik centre, which seemed to be closely related but a floor lower.

 

Dr Srisurai impressed me as someone who knew his stuff. Thouroughly professional.

 

I am afraid I cannot talk about costs, it seemed reasonable, and my insurance paid about half of the first two procedures. i didn't claim for the third because that seemed to me elective surgery, unlike the cataract which was required durgery.

 

I have high praise for the residential care and nursing staff at the occasion that I needed it. First op, cateracts, I stayed overnight, fir infection risk.

 

Last op, i went home afterwards with protective contacts covering my eyes. However, after a coupleof days, one if these was dislodged and I was in agony, had to taxi back to hospital. Next day, I decided thst, because of my relative distance from the hospital, 30 mins drive, and trouble getting a cabin my neck if the woods, I requested to be admitted for a couple if days for being totally sure if anything similar was to happen, I'd have good care at close proximity.

 

Reasonable cost, very nice care.

 

I think I may have written about that elsewhere......

[MM 6,562]

Thank you, ikkrang. Good information.

 

I'm sorry you had the complications along with the procedure.

 

Good luck with your vision and photography going forward.

[4niceight 32]

I posted this in the forum here in 2009. It's relevant to this thread and might help BMs with their decisions re Supersight Surgery:-

 

Today is now three weeks since I had multifocal lens implants in both eyes at the same time at BPH. The doctor was Dr. Srisuraj. He was the chap I first saw when I went to the hospital complaining of cloudy vision. I had looked him up on the internet after the consultation and his credentials and experience looked good, so I decided that I would let him do the surgery. I have international health cover through a UK provider and they had said that I would be covered under my plan. However BPH showed me on their computer screen that my provider was one that they didn't deal direct with, so I had to pay cash and claim back. Not ideal, but OK and cheaper (at 190,000 baht plus or minus 10%) than the first quote (230,000 baht) when they thought the insurer would be direct. As my insurer would reimburse me I had decided to go for the most expensive lenses (multifocal). Two years previously I had a friend who had both eyes done at the same time at Pattaya International Hospital, and all went very well and he was so pleased with the results, so I was a bit apprehensive but more excited at the prospect of better vision, and possibly I could look forward to playing pool a bit better!
Here is the story. I was admitted and paid them a Banker's cheque for 190,000 baht. I was asked for 50% of this as an initial payment, but as I didn't want to carry much cash I got the bank to make out a cheque for the full amount, and I had some cash spare in case there were extra expenses. I went into the operating theatre at 5pm after a couple of hours sitting and getting drops put in both eyes. I was sat in a chair which was then reclined almost flat and some more drops were administered and a cover was put over my right eye with a gap for the surgeon to work through. My eyelids were clamped open. While performing the operation I was anxious and obviously tensing up as he told me about three times to relax. I was unaware of any instruments going into my eye but could feel him working. He wasn't saying anything so I was constantly wondering what was going to happen next. I could feel a little pressure but no pain as he worked away. After what must have been about 30 minutes he told me that he had removed the natural lens, then about 15 minutes later the new lens was in place. I could see the new lens being positioned as it was multifocal and had many concentric rings. Part one completed. He then asked me if I was ready for him to start on the left eye. OK go ahead. Same procedure as the first eye with a cover being placed over the eye and the eyelids clamped open. He started to work and I could feel movements but no pain, when suddenly I felt him apply some pressure and I felt a bit of pain. Under these circumstances I defy anyone to not flinch a little and try to blink. That is what I did and he said "Why you do that? It's dangerous!" Then he told me that there was a big problem. The pressure exerted when I flinched had caused the back of the "sac" which holds the lens in place had ruptured and the natural lens had dropped into the eye fluid and was now lying at the bottom of the eye. Oh my buddha! He then said he had to get another doctor to get the lens out. One of the nurses got on the phone and I heard her say to him "Mai maa" which I knew meant "not come". At that point I had visions of being blind in my left eye. Anyway he got on the phone himself and then told me that another doctor would be there in 20 minutes, but it would cost me extra. He told me it could possibly be an extra 120,000 baht, and asked if I could afford it. What do I say? What would anyone say? OK, get me mended! So the new doctor came. A lady, who I was later to discover was Dr. Attaporn. She got to work and I could see an instrument in my eye sucking pieces out. A really strange sensation as it was as if I was looking back into my eye and watching it happen. There was no pain as she had given me some injections , but I had a period of about one and a half hours of anxiety, as anyone could imagine. When she had completed the extraction of all the bits of natural lens, she proceeded to fit the new multifocal lens. This seemed to take longer than the first one to fit but eventually she finished, and I was wheeled into the recovery room. Time 9 pm. So I was in the operating theatre for 4 hours. Then after about 45 minutes I was wheeled up to my room for the scheduled overnight stay. Opening my eyes on the way I could see well enough out of the right eye which was the first one operated on, but the vision in the left eye was dark, almost sepia coloured, and there seemed to be a lot of debris floating around, both dark and transparent shapes. I was worried!
The next morning I was taken to the eye centre on the third floor and was introduced to Dr. Attaporn, who told me that she was the one who had performed the rescue operation. Then I was seen by Dr. Srisuraj who explained what had happened. He examined both eyes and discussed what further treatment was needed. He explained that there was a suspension of blood in the eye liquid and that was what was causing the sepia colour effect. Also, all the floating debris I could see was caused by blood and inflammation. He said this would all clear but would take time. Perhaps months. We discussed what treatment and medicine I was to have on leaving the hospital. He also mentioned money and 120,000 baht again. I told him that I could find the money but not immediately. He said that because I lived here and wasn't a holidaymaker, an arrangement could probably be made, and I had to speak to the office/cashiers. I asked about further expense because of probable numerous further visits to the hospital for treatment/check ups, and he told me that he would provide his future services free of charge, but that I would have to pay for any drugs. I went back to my room and started to think that this "mistake" was not my fault. He had hurt me and I had flinched. The fact that he was going to provide his future services free seemed to me like an admission of guilt. I started to think that I should pay no more but also I had to be able to leave the hospital. No doubt I had also signed a disclaimer before the operation. I know that I did sign some forms in the admissions office the previous day but of course they were in Thai. I started to think about lawyers.
A couple of hours later I answered a phone call from a lady who was probably one of the cashiers. She advised me that there was an additional 50,000 baht to be paid for the extra work involved in the operating theatre. (Feeling of relief. Not 120,000.) I told her that I didn't have the money available and the doctor had mentioned an arrangement. She said she would come to my room. On her arrival I told her that I had been talking to my friends on the phone and because the extra work was because of a mistake caused by the doctor, they had all advised me to seek legal advice. I told her that I had an extra 25,000 cash with me and offered that as a full and final payment. Otherwise I would have to make an arrangement with the hospital, but I would be going to see a lawyer as soon as possible. She went to see her bosses.
I waited until after lunch then mentioned to one of the nurses that I was still waiting for the cashier to come back to me with a decision and I wanted to go home. Half an hour later I was brought a couple of bags full of eye drops and pills and taken to the cashier's office. The lady who had come to my room was there and said that all of her superiors were in meetings and she had no decision. I told her that all I was going to pay was 25,000. Another cashier then made up the final invoice and I paid the 25,000. I was then asked how and when I was going to pay the extra which had amounted to 27,000 and change. I said NO WAY was I going to pay any more, and if they insisted I would see a lawyer. THEY ACCEPTED. They were obviously trying it on. OK....Most people would say I shouldn't have paid, but in the end my insurers were going to pay anyway. I went home with an appointment to come back two days later.
Over the past three weeks I've been getting better. My right eye is great. The sepia colour in the problem left eye is diminishing, and also the "debris" in the left eye has diminished. I do, though, have a worrying small dark shape which appears directly over any line of text which I'm trying to read with the left eye. When reading using both eyes it's OK. My right eye probably takes over. I have been back to the hospital about 5 times for tests and consultations with both doctors. I have been told that the dark patch is probably inflammation and will probably eventually disappear. Dr. Attaporn has done various tests and says that she cannot see any damage which might be causing that patch. Dr. Srisuraj hasn't charged me for his further services but I have been charged by Dr. Attaporn. My insurers have now reimbursed me although I am about 10,000 baht short on what I was expecting them to pay out, and am awaiting their letter to see why.
Yesterday I went to Rutnin Eye Hospital in Bangkok because I was still concerned about the prognosis and the dark patch when I was trying to focus on a line of text, and I related what had happened. I asked the doctor there for a full examination, and was given tests and a macular scan. The doctor, a lady, Dr. Chatchompoo, was really good in explaining things to me and told me that both lenses were in exactly the correct position, there was no damage to the retina or the macula or the optic nerve as far as she could see, and I could indeed expect the dark patch and the residue of the "floaters" to disappear over a period of perhaps three months. She said also that the surgery seemed to have been performed as well as anyone could have performed it under the circumstances. I have an appointment with her in 4 weeks time but she expects me to call and cancel because I should be almost 100%. Today I had an appointment at BPH with Dr. Attaporn for a check up and she next wants to see me in three weeks time.
So, overall, it's been quite a worrying three weeks since the operation. At first I suppose I was angry, concerned, downright worried at times, and I also felt foolish at having had both eyes done at the same time, and perhaps for choosing the wrong doctor. Right now I'm feeling relieved that I'm almost certainly going to get better. I may have mellowed a little over those three weeks, but I now have no issues with BPH or the doctors, and therefore I have given you the benefit of my experience.
For anyone else thinking of undergoing similar surgery I would say, as others have said to me, choose your surgeon well, do your research better than me, use BPH if you can afford it because their facilities are superb, and perhaps ask the doctor to ensure he uses sufficient anaesthetic!

 

As of today my sight is still good although I have better vision in the right eye than the left where I still have the dark patch. I also have floaters which I have had since the surgery was first performed.

[MM 6,562]

4niceight, thanks for the first hand story of your surgery.

 

Now, it's 5 years on since the surgery...how is your vision, both right and left eyes..and are you able to see without glasses for distance and reading?

 

Did the floaters eventually go away?

[4niceight 32]

Vision in my right eye is great but I have the same problem with the dark patch in the left eye. I still have floaters but overall my vision is good both long and short. I've never worn glasses all my life.

As a post script, I would not use Dr. Srisuraj again. I found his manner both during the surgery and post surgery consultation was abrupt.

[nkped 1,208]

4niceight, thanks for the detailed account. I had cataract surgery on the left eye in 2000, same procedure but a single vision lens at that time. I seem to remember a injection very close to the eyeball but not in it to deaden the muscles controlling movement of the eye. General impression was that the left eye was bore sighted dead ahead and I could not have moved that eye if I had had to do so.

 

This was one of the most successful medical procedures I have ever had and it was absolutely necessary given the vision in that eye. That being said I don't think I would choose to have a needle stuck in that area and have my eyeball cut on unless it was essential.

[Regyai 415]

Its determined by the surgeon whether to inject or not

 

Mine told be he can tell by your reactions to examination etc if the more 'extreme' course of injecting needed

 

Otherwise its just the protracted series of drops prior to the proceedure

[ikkrang 490]

Dr Srisuraj advised me he would do one eue at the time only for the first procedure similar to yours, and do the second one a few days later.

 

Maybe he learned from your experience.

 

Yes, it is a slightly unnerving experience.

 

 

His "abrubtness" , I had no great problem with. I am assertive enough to ask for clarification when I am not sure.

[bigmick 840]

Had anyone ever looked at having this procedure done at Bumrungrad and what the price difference was

[ikkrang 490]

I am very pleased. To read about your second opinion at Rutnin, because currently, dealing with the uncertainty about the future of my eyesight deterioratin. I have been considering doing the same, your account made me decide to do so, maybe next week.

[Nightrider 340]

 

Super-sight is the buzz word phrase for multifocal replacement lenses

These may not be for you as they take much more assimilation than the normal monofocal ones. They were explained to me as a 'stepped' lens (think of multi rings like a fingerprint) giving alternately long distance/near distance results, the brain has to 'learn' to decipher these inputs into a single image.

There are many types of lenses available and it pays to research first

That said I had both eyes done in the one session some years ago in Pattaya (monofocals) and yes it was like switching to HD ...shoulda done it earlier

'

 

 

Having both eyes done at the same time is very risky and not recommended.......!

If something went wrong with the operation , you could be left blind .

[steamer 158]

If I was in the market I would only consider Rutnin. Not to knock the others but there can only be one number one.

[nkped 1,208]

Saw Dr. Srisuraj today about an eye infection. He addressed that and then mentioned the cataract repair which was done years ago in my left eye and the developing cataract in my right eye. The left eye which had the cataract repair has developed cloudy spots. The procedure to remedy that is nonsurgical and involves a laser. I had heard all of this before, same with the developing cataract in the right eye so no problem with the diagnosis.

 

Then he mentioned the possibility of the multi-focal lens replacement for the right eye. He said he does not do that procedure. That's in accordance with the link in the OP which lists another doctor. He plausibly linked the benefits of doing it as opposed to wearing contacts too long; don't have the background to evaluate that other than currently having an eye infection. I'll think about it when I come back for the long haul in August.

 

Srisuraj was a career navy doctor which may account for his manner.

[ikkrang 490]

Saw Dr. Srisuraj today ..........................

 

Then he mentioned the possibility of the multi-focal lens replacement for the right eye. He said he does not do that procedure. That's in accordance with the link in the OP which lists another doctor.

Srisuraj was a career navy doctor which may account for his manner.

Interesting. Yet, he was the one who did the multi focal lens replacements in both my eyes, three days apart.

 

Further to my own response from October 1, i did go to Rutnin to get a second opinion on the retina issue. They confirmed the findings of BPH, but added that this condition would probably have developed over many years, and be likely to take many moreyears to have a more serious deterioration for my eyes. Which wss a relief.

They also confirmed that from what they could see, the surgeon in BPH had done all the right things, and they would have recommended and done exactly what he had done.

 

So far, so good.

A month after my Rutnin consultation, my retina in my right eye detached. I woke up one morning suddenly virtually blind in my right eye

 

I happened to be overseas at the time. I consulted a specialist, who confirmed what I suspected was the case, and called it macular detachment. He advised it could be operated with a 70-90 % chance of success, but needed doing within a week.

 

I returned to Thailand, straight to Rutnin, and was operated on by the same woman doctor who saw me a month earlier.

It involved putting a gass bubble into my eye, to put pressure on the retina, pushing it back against the outside wall of the eyeball, then repairing the lesions with a laser.

 

It didnot hurt at any time, but it took about ten weeks for the gasbubble to dissolve and my vision to gradually return over that time. During those ten weeks, I wastold not to fly.

My vision in my right eye is almost back to normal, still having a bit of trouble coordinating the images of both eyes, but I was tokdtyst would tske time.

 

I was also to,d what an earlier poster saud, that one posdible cause for the retinal detachment may be repeated trauma to the eyes, such as eye operations......

 

Looking back, would I do ut again?

Probably, yes, but maybe not with graduated lenses, but one eye close up, one eye long distance lens, then usung glasses for driving to retain the ability to judge distance.

[nkped 1,208]

Some info from a clinic back in the U.S. about multi focal lens implants. http://www.pcli.com/understanding_cataracts/multifocal/strengths_limitations1/. I'm probably going to make an appointment with them next month. Definitely some marketing with them as well, but they're a bit more restrained.