midlifecrisis

second post on this topic

For perhaps the only time in his fucked up life I would agree (if 'twer fer real) with ObL

nah, you've heard about being between the devil and the deep blue sea, haven't you?

Just one question, how did the Irish Setter smell? I am pushing 60 and just practicing for being retired. Great story btw!

Threesome

you are so typical of the Brits on this board putting down other people's cultures (in this case sports) to pump up your own. You have never played any of our sports competitively so you can have absolutely no idea how difficult and even dangerous some of our sports are. All sports have worth as does all competition. All sports are based on children's games. When children's games are played by the best athletes in the world they are truly great to behold.

I cared! For a split second I was considering joining the other team!

Striptease

Your reputation precedes you, in Scotland, at least. There may be wanted posters with your face or more likely hiney posted all over that country!

Even though you invented the term and used it interchangeably until recently - per my op?

Clive Owen Children of Men

How does the club system fit into your point? When a youngster is signed by a club how does that work? What are the backgrounds of these kids. I am American and wish to understand it. I enjoy the EPL. As to fans, are most fans working class or does it vary by team? Here in California, we have the Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49er American football teams right across the SF Bay from each other. The Raiders have always had working class fans while the 49er fans are more the wine and cheese type. Just curious.

No one Obsession on this board is enough, thank you very much!!

Yes! A surprise for me too.

I'm buying!

I hope who ever buys it changes the gard arful sauce, ugh!

I always liked the term "the pitch" among other English terms related to soccer er football er But have to wonder with you with the Scots would be "shy" about anything, hehe. As to your first sentence please read the source article which I just pass on. Me gay?

After all they invented the word and until a few decades ago was interchangeable with the word football. Have a read: http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup...ball070110.html I will give you a hint: Clive Toye, an Englishman who moved to the U.S. and became known as the father of modern American soccer, bringing Brazilian legend Pele to play for the New York Cosmos, takes up the story. “Soccer is a synonym for football,” said Toye, who helped launch the North American Soccer League in the late 1960s. “And it has been used as such for more years than I can count. When I was a kid in England and grabbed a ball to go out and play … I would just as easily have said: ‘Let’s have a game of soccer’ as I would use the word ‘football’ instead. And I didn’t start it.” To trace the origin of “soccer” we must go all the way back to 1863, and a meeting of gentlemen at a London pub, who congregated with the purpose of standardizing the rules of “football,” which was in its infant years as an organized sport but was growing rapidly in popularity. Those assembled became the founding members of the Football Association (which still oversees the game in England to this day). And they decided to call their code Association Football, to differentiate it from Rugby Football. A quirk of British culture is the permanent need to familiarize names by shortening them. “My friend Brian Johnston was Johnners,” said Toye. “They took the third, fourth and fifth letters of Association and called it SOCcer. So there you are.”

Gabor, those louts are considered journalists. Again, my only point is, take a photo of anyone in public, celebrity or not, and you can do almost anything you want with it except use a recognizable image without a model release to promote a product. There is no PC paranoia about that. You are out of line because it has nothing to do with America. You have similar laws in Europe! If I take your photo and put it on the boards or publish in my local newspaper, no problem. If I use it to sell my favorite beer and you object, I have a potential problem. Please people, read what I wrote. Don't put words in my mouth that I did not say. I agreed with the op on every point he made. I said so. As a seller of images I was simply adding an addendum. Edit: for Gabor Hypothetical situation You are at FLB partying I am there taking photos and you toast the camera holding up a bottle of Heineken I sell that photo to an advertising agency who uses your image (without your permission) to promote Heineken Beer Is that American PC paranoia? Would you not expect either compensation for your photographic endorsement or removal of your image from the advertising campaign?

now that's funny - and when did they say we can expect the first of the next three?

deal me in!!!!! Quit holding back MM!!!

you did not understand my posts or the reason for them. I used US law as a reference. Use of recognizable images for commercial profit is almost universally illegal. I agree with what you said. Post away. Use the ladyboy's photo in a beer add and the ladyboy finds out and you may have problems. This is not an American issue as you seem to think. You obviously did not read what I wrote in context or critically.

I was only speaking of the US. I take each nation on a case by case basis.

well put!

But that was not to promote a product. I have also been in newspapers as a kid and adult. Please read the bold portions of my cut. News is exempt. As to US law, a bit of a typo but generally images become subject to federal jurisdiction (eventually) if not immediately because usage crosses state boundaries. All I am speaking of is using a recognizable image to promote a product. Even celebs are protected from this. Any slice of life shot in a public place is fair game. I have a shot I took of Clint Eastwood that I took at a golf tournament. I can display it at a gallery, sell it as my original work to hang on a wall, put it in a book of my best (lol) photos but I cannot use it to sell something without his permission. That is all I am saying. US law(s) are universally consistent on this is issue I believe. But, I am not a lawyer. edit: btw, I am in agreement with the op but just wanted to include this one caveat.