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You made a post about me "blowing away some Boeing execs" because of my previous posts. And like I said there are many disgruntled employees that file lawsuits. Some with lotsa info that win, and others with nothing that lose. Fortunately, you'll have to wait and see if I go that far, for I'm not disclosing anymore info pertaining to a lawsuit. Don't worry Hub. If I had as many guns (which I don't even own one) as big as my guitar collection, I would be able to start a small war. Wow!! what an amazing comeback... Give Mango a cigar..

First of all I don't care much for the A380 either, it's too big an aircraft for me even to consider flying. I prefer the A320/330/340 family. Not ignoring them Mango, the guy is just ranting away without any credible sources. And I mean ranting. I could do that if I wanted to, but I've only given a taste of what I have. Can he show those are genuine emails by exposing headers, and IP info? Those contracts have no official company letterheads on them. Why is the guy ranting on a webpage with all these misdeeds of Airbus, instead of suing them? In my case I've actually posted actual emails, policy and procedures, etc and removed names to protect the innocent. If I knew I was right why would I want public opinion to side with me, instead of taking it to the legal system? I have more ethics in my pinky, than you have with your dick. Get a life.

Probably because the comments I made about Wolfowitz, or the realism of the film "Death of a President." Believe me, nothing more would please me if somebody took both of them out. But in Bush's case we'd have to deal with Cheney as President. And that's a lose/lose situation. Wolfowitz's demise would not cause any political ramifications.

Guess what? I don't disclose everything I have, like he did. And my issues are based on ethical practices, that Boeing will never get the message until a jury awards a plantiff an excessive amont of money. Thanks for the comparision, but you are way off base.

Well you sure act like him. He doesn't understand anything himself. To the contrary, not when your ignorance or arrogance has clouded your judgment, to the point where you will not comprehend what people are telling you.

Once again insults because you can't argue that you aren't George Bush. Mango, It's really funny that I had to reinforce my quote above, but as soon as a topic returns to civility, you start attacking people to create sensationalism, once again.

I guess you can consider helos aircraft. I haven't been on a 767, A300, or F-27, so I don't make my list too long, I'll add which others I've been on, in addition to your list. McD DC6, DC7, DC-8, MD-80s, DC10 Boeing 707, 720B (best Boeing jets I ever flew, built like tanks) Lockheed L-188 Electra Turboprop Fokker 100 (DC9 Clone) A-330 Convair 550 Turboprop God I'm shpwing my age!

Hey asswipe, I just got a job that's closer to home, and once again I'm not disgruntled. Disgruntled employees practice Mossberg justice. The best of part of it, it is NOT in IT. I should have moved out of the IT field long ago when they first started outsourcing jobs. I also won't have to worry about it being outsourced, since it's in the Warehouse and Transportation industry. And you have on many occasions insulted myself and others too, so stop being a hypocrite. You can talk about your flying experience so now lets see some photos of you flying an airplane. This way I don't have to post anymore humor about you. After all on this board, you have some anonymity. You can claim your George Bush, but we don't have to believe you.

You cause offense? God you're a joke like their PR rep Ken Mercer who comments on every lawsuit " It is without merit." That is until the evidence is presented in court, and a jury sides with the plaintiff. OK, then the US government is a disgruntled customer, because Boeing tried to bilk $20B from the US taxpayer on the 767 tanker. And the emails between Boeing execs showing Boeing's unethical behavior are all moot. Go take some legal courses, into how email is a legal document. Unless you know what I have, you don't know squat. And I have plenty of emails showing unethical behavior, regarding EEO, and hiring policies policies not followed in Boeing. I will not elaborate anymore here, since you think "I'm a disgruntled employee." Disgruntled employees go and shoot their former employers. Sammy, ever flown an A330? Same airframe, just 2 less powerplants. Anyhow it's a great airplane. Rumor has it you were in control of this RC model... B-52 model

Scalawag, so what about the date. If you read both links, you would see the use of composites were used as radar absorbing materials originally and nothing more. Whoever got the idea that you can achieve cost savings from a 100% plastic airplane is somewhere else. My friend said "he would never fly the A380 because it was made totally from composites." That was until I corrected him and told him the 787 was the plastic airplane. And what is Boeing using to secure vital parts on the 787? Plastic fasteners.

OK, I'll put an intelligent post to mind. I wonder if Boeing is going to train its customers mechanics in the art of composite repair? And help them set up their own maintenance facilities to do it. Or is Boeing going to establish a mod / maintenance center for all these 500+ 787s, and charge a pretty penny to the airlines, which will be reflected in higher ticket prices to the travelling public? Whatever, it sounds like this airplane will be like the Edsel in the long run. It will probably go that way too. Air Force base does composite repair for B-2 and F117s How really safe are composites?

Go back and read the additions I've added to it You can see how much data I've collected in the past 11 years. That's all data, no programs.

I'll reinforce your statement with some names. I've also included some notes from natinally published newsclips I've collected. Phil Condit He also developed a reputation as a womanizer, often with Boeing employees, and an appetite for the high life. In a hiatus between one of his four marriages, Condit took up residence in the Boeing suite at Seattle's Four Seasons Olympic Hotel, where he had the suite remodeled at company expense to add a bedroom, say some people who are familiar with the matter. Harry Stonecipher - this is an opinion from one of the many newswriters covering his scandal Stonecipher case validates my theory of the 3 principles St. Louis Post-Dispatch 03/10/05 author: Bill McClellan (Copyright 2005) Good morning, class. We have a special topic this morning - Harry Stonecipher. He used to be the CEO at Boeing. He's a living, breathing example of three principles I'm always trying to drill into your heads. Women are smarter than men. Bosses are overpaid. Don't e-mail. I hope I don't have to spend too much time on the first principle. It ought to be as evident as gravity. Way back when the Great Spirit molded us out of clay, She noticed that the man was bigger and stronger than the woman. This wouldn't do. If life were to be interesting, the two sexes had to be equal. Consequently, She said to her assistant, "Give me some of that dumb-juice, that testosterone," and the assistant did, and he handed it to Her and She injected it into the man. At least, that's the intelligent-design theory. There are evolutionists out there, even here in a Red state, who will argue that women evolved into smarter creatures precisely because they were smaller. It was a compensatory thing. That's a nice theory, but it doesn't explain testosterone, does it? You see, we're not just talking about book smarts. For all we know, Stonecipher might have been a National Merit Scholar. But brains did him no good at all. No, sirree. Less than a year and a half ago, he was brought out of retirement to lead Boeing after a series of scandals forced the company to do something dramatic. So Stonecipher came back; and with great fanfare, he hired outside ethics consultants and established an ethics hot line. "You can rest assured that we will investigate every tip, and if we find out that somebody did something they shouldn't have, we will deal with it swiftly and summarily," he told the Wall Street Journal last year. Then he began an affair and somebody hot-lined him. By the way, Stonecipher is 68. Maybe when the board talked him out of retirement, they figured he was past the dangerous age. In that connection, it seems to me that Viagra is not necessarily a good thing. If I were on a board, I'd drug-test every CEO over 55. Our second principle also ought to be self-evident. Bosses are overpaid. I have long felt that most companies would be run just as well by a random employee. Yes, a random employee. Pick anybody. Pay him or her a tenth of what you pay the current boss and you'd probably be getting a value. Stonecipher's salary last year was $1.5 million with a target bonus of the same amount. You think one of the engineers wouldn't have done just as well for $300,000? What's the worst that could have happened? The engineer would have done something stupid and been forced to resign. Well? I remember when Stonecipher made about $40 million, in 1995 when he was running McDonnell Douglas. I thought that was excessive. Sure, the company made some profits, but who were the customers? They were us, the taxpayers. I thought we should have gotten refunds. And do you remember his management team? They reminded me of leg breakers. His No. 1 guy was Herb Lanese, who said this of their business competitors: "I wish they were dead. I wish their children would starve to death. I wish they would lose their houses." No wonder the company got sold. Our third point has to do with e-mails. They are dangerous! Nobody should have understood that more than the gang at Boeing. It was a series of e-mails that got them in trouble with the government regarding illegal employment discussions with an Air Force official who oversaw the company's contracts. Contracts were lost. People went to prison. Doesn't anybody learn from previous mistakes? Not our Harry. The hot line tipster, who remains anonymous, reportedly included an excerpt from a "very graphic" e-mail Stonecipher had sent his lover. Think about that for a second. A married man running a company that has been dogged by scandals has an affair with a subordinate and sends her a "very graphic" e-mail. Men. Bosses. E-mail. What a disaster. Here's hoping that Boeing finds a good woman to put things back together. Mike Sears In an unusually blunt statement yesterday, Boeing said Sears was fired by its board because he had offered a Boeing job to an Air Force official in the midst of negotiating a $21 billion deal for 100 Boeing-made tankers, and that Sears had tried to conceal his behavior from the company's in-house investigation. There was no mourning among Boeing's unions, who saw Sears as part of the Boeing leadership that had moved company headquarters from Seattle to Chicago, presided over a dramatic loss of market share to European rival Airbus, and carried out 40,000 job cuts to maintain profitability amidst a severe aerospace-industry recession. Darleen Druyun I have to put her in an attachment. I love how Sears got her worthless daughter a job in HR. No wonder why I had so many problems with HR reps at Boeing. all crooked former Boeing McD execs. There are still some in Boeing, Albaugh didn't get it because he managed to cover up the 767 tanker fiasco. But he knew about it. McNerny just hasn't weeded them out yet.

Sorry, I don't take it in the ass when I'm right. blow me.... In fact I don't take it in the ass at all.

For now...

TBH, after all the ethical lapses I've seen in the company... The answer is no. They will happen again, like a dog eats it own shit. My negative bias towards Boeing is not through unclear thinking, but a few incidents I've had to endure besides these. 1, They only enforce their policies and procedures when it benefits Boeing. a, Harry Stonecipher created a code of conduct, and then had an affair, and sent raunchy emails to a female VP. Had it been any other employee, they would have been fired. Instead they let Harry resign. Here's a writing I found one day that Mr. Stonecipher left. An allegedly true incident that was heard from a couple of different people: Harry Stonecipher was speaking to our Contracts people about the need to trim their budget by eliminating a lot of fringe benefits (free dinners with clients, etc.) that are currently commonplace. one of th e employees asked, "harry, you took some 200 people on a golf outing recently and Boeing picked up the tab. How is that helping our budget?" Harry's response was, "I did that this year. I did that last year. I did it every year I was at McDonnell Douglas and I'll do it every year I'm at Boeing. If you have a problem with that, I can replace every single person in this audience in 24 hours." Yep, that's the way to foster loyalty with the troops... 2, They take credit for doing projects, and fail to recognize the people that really contributed to milestones, here are 2 examples. a, My coworker and I contributed allot of time and effort to help with the VoIP project. When the awards were given, our names were not mentioned anywhere in the newsletter. Also a guy that was hired was tasked to build a "how to use" sheet consisting of a word document and a powerpoint presentation. He was unable to merge the powerpoint presentation into the word document. The project manager gave it to me and I converted the PPS into a jpg, and embedded it into the word document, then resized it so it fit. Quite a simple task if you know how to use a PC. Had I not done this persons job, over 3500 people that received VoIP phones, would have had no idea how to use them. BTW the person is still employed for now, but there are more cuts coming. The nice thing I was hired last week by an employer, and I no longer have to commute on a freeway to work. b, The CIO of IT takes credit for a drawing system that he says "NASA currently uses" as web based. What he failed to mention, is the application he developed was a memory hog that used a TCP batch file. And it gave techs like me a headache trying to build a work around,( that I eventually fixed with a band aid file till they put it on a web base application) so the end user didn't have to deal with the black screen of death every time all the resources were used up. Now you know why I show negative bias towards Boeing, besides the sexual harassment complaint I filed they never acted on, So STFU BTW, here's why I filed the complaint, and tell me that Bergman's comments in bold is appropriate for the workplace. I sent this to his then supervisor who took action, unfortunately the dumbfuck that became Bergman's new boss didn't follow through, along with the HR person. This evening I wanted to watch Dateline NBC in the cafeteria on the Predator series. Mr. Bergman was in there, and I was about to change the channel. He then started telling me how bad I was for going to Thailand to do what I do there. I told him "I don't want to hear it! It's my business and as long as I'm not breaking any laws there, it's none of his business." He then called me a sick individual that probably goes to Thailand to have sex with boys." I told him "Oh yes you are really good taking soda from the fountain, you have allot of room to talk." Walt I don't go to Thailand to have sex with boys. I go to get cultured and pampered by the ladies there. And they aren't underage either. It's something that doesn't exist in the USA anymore, and I enjoy it.

Once again, stock price is based on investor confidence. If investors lose confidence in a company, the stock heads south. I'll tell you what aluminum flexes, and while this composite stuff cannot bend by human force, air pressure will dominate human force. Has Boeing pressure tested the material in a altitude chamber to see how much force is exerted on the material, through air pressure? Wacmedia is supposedly quoting an article from last week. Your link is from almost 2 years ago. If there is truth to Wacmedia's post, let him post the link, and this argument will be over.

Sounds scary to me. I think they might need some of this to hold it together.

Well if Boeing says September 2007, I still say Feb 2008. Thanx for redlining those Wacmedia. Allot of those issues were present in the old MD95-717 model that only sold 125, and was eventually cancelled. Goes to show too many cooks spoil the broth.

That's 6 months away. I give it another year before it will be flying.

Don't give the Thai banks more than you're required to give. It's just as easy maintaining a US bank account, and getting paid interest for it. The Thai banks will pay you $0.10 which is worse than a US checking account.

I read somewhere that they expect the Thai baht to continue gaining against the dollar for the early months of 2007, then it will start losing ground again in April or May. But that wait is to be seen. Pelosi said impeachment is off the table back in October, but as a IA, and she being the same, we tend to change our minds. Count on one thing, Bush isn't going to have his way for the next 2 years, for the remainder of his term.

I've personally had 2.

Then he has to worry about a Spanish developer not completing the project. Anybody that's been to Cancun probably has seen The Dunas? It's a resort in Arabian style that was abandoned midway through construction. Anyway I'd say don't pay more than 2 million baht tops. That's about 50K USD.