Evil Penevil

Seems like low season has started in this thread, too. I'll have to do something to liven things up. Evil

The Majestic Suites and Dynasty Grande often don't answer, probably because they know they'll be fully booked. Questions about guest friendly policy is a "why bother?" situation. What do they gain by answering? Try going through a hotel booking agency. You have nothing to lose. Evil

The rates for the MS range from 1315B to 2025B per night, depending on the type of room. Those rates are before taxes and fees, so plan on another 20%. (BTW, all the info on rates is on the MS site - just click on accommodation.) You'd be very lucky to find a room available at the MS on a walk-in basis, even in low season. It is hugely popular with punters and is often booked solid weeks in advance. If you can't book a room ahead, there are several hotel booking counters in the BKK airport arrival hall that can find you a room in the Nana area. Don't be embarassed to specify you want a guest-friendly room. Just book it for one night and look for better the next day if you don't like it or feel you can find cheaper. Evil :

You nailed it very well. A high level of service is guaranteed at the Hell Club. It may cost a bit more, but when prices are compared on an "apples to apples" basis, it isn't that much more expensive that a lot of places that offer considerably worse service. Evil

The ice bar at Titanium in BKK was the forerunner. It's a great idea and hugely popular with the girls, who loved the novelty of it. In its best days, Titanium was a great place with an interesting and entertaining mix of people. Good luck with the new venture and I'll drop in on my next visit to Pattaya. Evil :

And I'll be happy to supply it. No ducking of questions on my part! But it is interesting that both you and papillon misspell my board handle in exactly the same way. There's only one place I use Evel instead of Evil and that's the board where all the really big battles took place.. Hmmm ...Hmmm... I'm just trying to figure out which one is spursman and which is Free2Fly. Yes, you did. I am also appalled by the dishonest/disgenuous posts by your (former?) cohorts in the Gang of Four. Evil PS- You once asked me about the polar bears on Soi LK Metro. Please see the photo above.

It didn't clarify anything because there was no confusion, but it did give me an idea! To switch the analogies from baseball to American football: It's the Superbowl of the P4P League and the Temptresses of Eden and the Imps of Hell are the leading contenders!!! Go team Eden! Go team Hell! Push it in, push it in, waaaaay in! Push it in, push it in, waaaaay in! Evil

I don't suffer from glaucoma, but I have a colleague who does. When he was transferred to Bangkok, he contacted his doctor in the U.S. who was able to refer him to a qualified specialist at a hospital in Bangkok. Unfortunately, I don't know the details. But the national medical associations in most Western countries can point you in the right direction. They usually have on file the names of qualified specialists abroad or can at least give you the contact details of a local medical association which would have further information. Another possibility is to ask at the U.K. embassy in BKK. Embassies often keep lists of local specialists in case of emergencies involving either staff members or visiting nationals. Evil

Cennn3 is a much better opponent than papillon! He responds to questions and doesn't duck them. Moreover, I think enjoys the exchange just for the hell of it - he doesn't have a hidden agenda. To use an analogy to American baseball, he's simply stepping up to the plate as the designated hitter when his friend's team is way down in the bottom of the ninth. And I'm happy to pitch him a few more questions, all in good fun, and bearing no malice whatsoever to Cennn3. My follow-up , an inside slider, would then be: Among all the farang who own or manage establishments in Pattaya and Bangkok, are Marc and Cerberus the only two to whom you refer as pimps? How about the "establishment owners" on Soi 6? Or the Welkom Inn? Or the Jade House? Or even a number of other establishments which feature short-time rooms on or in close proximity to their premises? Would those owner-operators also be termed pimps by you? The reason I ask is that "pimp" is a pejorative term, it's not value-neutral. When I think of pimps, characters like Ice Pick Slim and Sweet Willie pop into my mind. They use violence to keep their girls in line and all the girls earnings go directly to the pimp. People don't refer to their friends, or those they like and respect, as pimps. Hence we see the fancy foot-work regarding who is or isn't a pimp. People who don't know (or don't like) Cerberus, Marc and others might call them pimps, but won't use that term about the owners of establishments the name callers frequent themselves. I don't want to rekindle a debate on the meaning of pimp. It is a word of uncertain origin that dates back to medieval times, but may be related to the French (!) word pimper, meaning "to dress well." Even in the days of Richard Lionheart, pimps were flash dressers! The term "brothel keeper" is much older and was, from the beginning, not interchangeable with "pimp." Again, this doesn't really matter. By any other name, the Hell Clubs (and Eden) would smell as sweet. Cerberus, Marc and the majority of "establishment –owners" are a very positive development for both the providers and punters in Pattaya. They give the girls safe and decent places to work with fair compensation, while the punters get service at a reasonable price. We, the punters, and especially the girls, are better off with them than without them. In the best of all possible worlds, there wouldn't be a need for commercial sex services. But until that day, it's better for women without a whole lot of options in life to be working at Hell or Eden than taking their chances with the thugs and weirdos on Beach Road. The subject of pimps has been thrashed to death. It's a lot like the discussions of who's a stunner and what's constitutes over-paying. It's so subjective it's almost meaningless to discuss. But sometimes it's fun just to try to figure who's on first. Cennn3 – feel free to use cricket analogies, although I admit I am woefully ignorant of that distinguished game. And papillon is always welcome to step up to the plate to strike out once more and keep his 0.000 batting average intact. Evil

These threads are getting way too heavy and negative. I thought I'd lighten this one up with a photo. Does anyone know the breed of the cute little lap dog on the table outside the Hell Club? Here's a bigger photo: Evil

The question then becomes - do you regard all bar/club owners (or at least those with short-time rooms in connection with their establishments) in Pattaya as pimps as well? Evil

Now we're making progress! See how easy that was? For awhile you were beginning to sound like the guy who brags "You can't prove me guilty" rather than the guy who proclaims, "I didn't do it." But let's keep things in perspective. I wasn't accusing you of a major felony, but of writing a despicable comment. For a guy who has made an Internet career of running down others, you sure do squeal when someone turns the tables on you even a little bit. Let me state for the record: YOU MADE DOZENS OF POSTS ATTEMPTING TO DISRUPT THE TWO THREADS I STARTED ON THE HELL CLUB, but howl like a mongrel puppy when I criticize one of your posts. Considering your history of warnings on this board, it's apparent I'm not the only one who thinks some of your comments are inappropriate. Of course, the intent of what you've written in the section quoted above depends a great deal on how you define "untoward remarks." I regard it as despicable that your reaction to the death of one man and a heart attack for another was, "sold already, eh." You could have written, "My condolences," or "Get well soon," but your comment was "sold already, eh." What did you mean by that? What conclusion did you want the readers of it to draw? If I've drawn the wrong conclusion, I'll be happy to apologize. And if you mean nothing untoward about either Francis or Marc, then you must disagree with Ned Kelly's comment than Marc was "taking the piss" in his announcements in the wake of Francis' death. If you write "yes, Ned Kelly was wrong," then I will be happy to apologize for including you in the same category as Ned. You previously refered to Marc as a "French pimp" - is that how you think of him today? In a sense, none of this matters. You aren't interested in a dialogue to resolve the matter, otherwise you'd have answered my questions long ago. They were simple, straight-forward questions, but you ducked every single one of them. That's because your goal is not a debate or an exchange of ideas, but to try to provoke Cerberus in the same way others provoked Marc on the BKK boards. You or one of your allies write absurd things you know Cerberus can't ignore. Why the interest in the Hell Club (and Eden) bothers you and a few others so much is a mystery to me, but it leads to these rather bizarre quarrels. Why not put an end to all of this by simply ignoring future posts about the Hell Club? That's the question I'd like you to answer the most. Evil

If you get to the stage where younactually begin making/accepting offers, please PM me. The detailed discussions are best carried out in private. Evil

Too much for you, am I? My questions too challenging for you? You try to talk the talk, but you sure as hell can't walk the walk.. I have substantiated what I wrote earlier about your despicable posts, but I'll repeat it if it pleases you. The sections within quotes are from the earlier post here . "You were joking about Marc's health problems and insinuating that the announcement of Francis' death and Marc's heart attack was some sort of "cover story" for the sale of Eden Pattaya.There was also a strong implication that more was involved than was being revealed." Your and Ned Kelly's disrespectful comments got so bad Pattaya Pete went in and cleaned up the thread. As I remember it, he deleted several of your posts, among others. "The only one of your comments that remains online is "sold already eh," . but it very well expresses the spirit of your (and Ned Kelly's) posts. Perhaps you can explain what the "sold already eh" is supposed to mean among all the messages of condolence and wishing Marc a speedy recovery. But you can clear things up immediately by answering the points I asked about in my previous post,namely: 1) Do you agree with Ned Kelly that Marc was "taking the piss" when he (Marc) announced he was selling Eden Pattaya as the direct result of his business partner's death? 2) Do you believe the announcement of Francis' death and Marc's heart attack was some sort of "cover story" for the sale of Eden Pattaya? 3) Do you accept as true the version of events as related by Pattaya Pete in his recap? A simple yes or no will suffice as the answer to each question. As I stated earlier, I may have remembered wrong about what you originally wrote. Just answering the three questions above will settle the matter. Do you find those questions difficult to answer?" Evil

You certainly like to ask questions, but you only ever duck questions yourself. And it will be my pleasure to lend Cerberus a hand on this one. Let me break it down for you: the OP was asking about his personal use of legal substances for sexual enhancement. Your post strongly inferred that the ladies of the Hell Club use illegal drugs. Or what kind of drugs were you saying the ladies of Hell were probably on? Were you saying the ladies of Hell were on probably on yaba? If so, your post could be construed as violating the following rules: No flames ever for any reason. No posts designed to upset other members. If you enjoy upsetting people even if you stay within the rules, you will still be warned. 4. Posts attacking individuals are not permitted. You may disagree with anyone's opinion but not bag the individual. I disagree with what you say, is fine. You are a moron, is not. Every single post you've made to a thread on the Hell Club has been intended to hurt, tear down and destroy. Never anything constructive or positive, not one single time.. You've never visited the Hell Club or the Eden Club in BKK and have declared you never want to, but after Cerberus and myself, you are the most frequent contributor to the Hell Club threads. You purpose is clear - to damage Cerberus' business as much as possible, through false statements if everything else fails. Certainly that qualifies as a flame and a post designed to upset Cerberus. But you also have another short-term goal with your flames. You hope to provoke responses that will become so extreme the moderators will close this thread, like what happened with the "Inside the Hell Club" thread. In 75 days, it got 8,175 views and 177 replies, making it one of the most popular and active threads on the Pattaya Talk forum before it was locked. In 19 days, my post on the "Hell Club Experience" has garnered 1,773 views (the total as I write this) and 71 replies. It's clear there is an enormous interest in the Hell Club and that's really what bothers you and your cohorts. Evil

I have no reason to apologize to you. You posts back in late December-early January as well as a more recent post in this forum were despicable. I answered you on that point at some length here: http://www.pattayatalk.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=447755 But it is a win-win situation for me. My questions are very reasonable and straight-forward. Answering them would clear up any confusion about what you did or didn't write. That's why you're ducking them. But continue to refuse to answer them and I win by default. That isn't likely to happen anytime soon. But I compliment you on a positive and optimistic outlook on human nature. Evil

Just one of many interesting concepts that make Hell/Eden unique in the P4P world. Some of their ladies are very gifted and if the cards had come down a little better for them in the game of life, a few could have earned MBA's from any university in the world. As things stand, they are summa cum laude, but with a decidely non-academic, hands-on (and mouth-on) set of skills. Evil

It is certainly possible to get two ladies in bed for less than you pay at the Hell Club, but I'd really like to hear where in Pattaya you can get a better experience with multiple ladies. I'd definitely put that place at the top of my "to visit" list on my next trip. As rockinjerry points out, the key to a great multiple-lady experience is teamwork. From the second you select your two (or more) Hell ladies, they'll be totally devoted to your pleasure. Within some very broad margins, they'll do what you want. Super-hardcore porn or soft and gentle, you decide. Come as many times as you want. The ladies will do full Lesbian with toys and you have the option of anal sex, deep throat, uniforms and role play. All of it or just the parts you like best, it's up to you. But the Hell Club experience goes beyond what happens in the session room. In terms of comfort, security and convenience, the Hell Club is unmatched except by the Eden Club. As I noted in my original post, I arranged in January for nine straight nights - four in BKK and five in Pattaya - with between one and four ladies each night through two emails to Marc. It took me less than two minutes to set it up. Please tell where else that's possiblw. It's also important to me to be able to converse freely with the ladies. Since I don't speak Thai, they have to speak English. The level of fluency in English of some of the Hell/Eden ladies amazes me. To summarize - Everything exactly as you want it, no haggling over price, no risk of a disappointing, much less negative, experience. Ladies have tremendous sexual skills, with many options available. Should you by some chance have a problem, you simply speak to the manager and he'll straighten it out. If you're not satisfied, you don't pay. Again, what other establishment offers comparable service and guarantees? Hell/Eden charges a premium price but offers premium service. Not everyone wants or needs all of the sevices/options available there, but for those who do, it's a great alternative. I can't understand why this is in any way controversial. There are punters who pay 500 baht per night for a hotel rooms, others pay 5,000 baht per night. Some mostly eat street vendor's noodles at 20 baht per bowl, while others pay 2,000 baht for a meal at a fancy restaurant. The same applies to P4P. Evil PS- Since you have ducked all my previous questions, it will be interesting to see if you answer these.

It was a creative experiment - a questioning, non-teleological exploration of potentials and limits. But I would be very interested in getting feedback on my posts from 1234 in particular. Evil

Hi, 1234 - I just wonder if you feel posts like this one or Inside the Hell Club are useful in giving you an idea of what happens at the Hell Club? Evil

Do you need a hug today, torrenova? Are you feeling frustrated because no one in the entire history of LOS-related boards has ever written anything complimentary about you or your bars? Hacking at the Hell Club isn't going to make things better, though. Why do you begrudge Cerberus loyal and satisfied customers who want to share their experiences with others? Is it because that's a concept with which you have no practical experience? Evil :

Cerberus- I'm passing on a question I got in a PM. Is there any difference these days between the menu of the Eden Club and the Hell Club? Evil

I can but concur with your statement! I, too, have noticed the occasional post about Hell/Eden tends to cause rather exaggerated reactions on the part of some people. The question is: why? She is indeed, although there are several others at Hell who are also accomplished sword-swallowers. Don't be shy about asking the manager about who does "deep." Evil

Exactly! Why is that so hard for some people to appreciate? But to something different, to try to dispel some of the bad vibes left by the Gang of Four (maybe it's actually only three now): Cerberus/Beelzebub, is the legendary Miss Ton still at Hell Pattaya? I know she was a few weeks ago. Evil :