Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[MrMango 665]

Somehow my comment was misinterpreted. I never said anything about people "having to pay people a lot of money." Just the fact of people having jobs to buy goods to drive the USA economy. You won't see me buying a pair of Nike, or Reebok's,(especially since they're made in China now) when I can get Crosstrekkers from Payless Shoe Source for 1/8 the price.

OK Fair enough, and I apologize for reading too much into your statement.

 

I am pleased that you see the light in buying the best quality at the lowest price, even if they are made outside the US - That makes everybody in the US a little bit richer.

[BigDUSA 71]

Boeing has bustling week with 46 new orders

 

 

Although the Boeing Co. did not start 2009 strong with jet orders, the company is ending the year on a high note, logging 46 new orders in the last week.

 

Among Boeing’s new orders is a request for 11 787 Dreamliners from an undisclosed customer. It’s the first firm order that Boeing has received for its delayed Dreamliner since putting the first 787 in the air Dec. 15.

 

The new orders bring Boeing’s net tally for 2009 to 141, through Dec. 22, according to its Web site which is updated every Thursday. Boeing won’t provide another update on orders until January, the company said Thursday.

 

Boeing still trails rival jet maker, Airbus, for commercial aircraft orders this year. At the end of November, Airbus had 194 net orders and 225 gross orders.

 

Both manufacturers have logged in a number of order cancellations this year as airlines scale back expansion plans in light of declining air travel. Boeing said Thursday that it received six cancellations over the past week: three 737s and three 777s. In total, the Chicago-based company has lost 118 orders in 2009.

 

Included in the new orders recorded this week is the previously disclosed request from Japan’s All Nippon Airways for five 777s and five 767s. Boeing also received an order for one 737 from the U.S. Air Force and orders for 24 737s from undisclosed customers.

 

Boeing’s tally does not reflect a request from United Airlines for 25 787s. That order was announced by the U.S. carrier in early December but has yet to be finalized.

 

Boeing’s fuel-efficient 787 drummed up tremendous interest from airlines, but delays have caused some carriers to cancel their Dreamliner orders. With the 787’s first flight, Boeing began its flight test program, which will require round-the-clock operation in order to gain approval by federal aviation authorities in time to deliver the first 787 late next year to ANA.

[jacko 8,776]

Boeing has bustling week with 46 new orders

 

 

Although the Boeing Co. did not start 2009 strong with jet orders, the company is ending the year on a high note, logging 46 new orders in the last week.

 

Among Boeing’s new orders is a request for 11 787 Dreamliners from an undisclosed customer. It’s the first firm order that Boeing has received for its delayed Dreamliner since putting the first 787 in the air Dec. 15.

 

The new orders bring Boeing’s net tally for 2009 to 141, through Dec. 22, according to its Web site which is updated every Thursday. Boeing won’t provide another update on orders until January, the company said Thursday.

 

Boeing still trails rival jet maker, Airbus, for commercial aircraft orders this year. At the end of November, Airbus had 194 net orders and 225 gross orders.

 

Both manufacturers have logged in a number of order cancellations this year as airlines scale back expansion plans in light of declining air travel. Boeing said Thursday that it received six cancellations over the past week: three 737s and three 777s. In total, the Chicago-based company has lost 118 orders in 2009.

 

Included in the new orders recorded this week is the previously disclosed request from Japan’s All Nippon Airways for five 777s and five 767s. Boeing also received an order for one 737 from the U.S. Air Force and orders for 24 737s from undisclosed customers.

 

Boeing’s tally does not reflect a request from United Airlines for 25 787s. That order was announced by the U.S. carrier in early December but has yet to be finalized.

 

Boeing’s fuel-efficient 787 drummed up tremendous interest from airlines, but delays have caused some carriers to cancel their Dreamliner orders. With the 787’s first flight, Boeing began its flight test program, which will require round-the-clock operation in order to gain approval by federal aviation authorities in time to deliver the first 787 late next year to ANA.

There you are on another thread complaining that BMs are editing your quotes...

Here you are plagiarising other editorials.

Quite a piece of work aren't you.......?

[BigDUSA 71]

There you are on another thread complaining that BMs are editing your quotes...

Here you are plagiarising other editorials.

Quite a piece of work aren't you.......?

 

Have I changed anything within the story? LMAO at your comparison.

[jacko 8,776]

Have I changed anything within the story? LMAO at your comparison.

No, you presented it as your own writing.

You posted someone elses work as your own.

Editing within quotes is presenting your words as someone elses.

LYBFAOAYW......

[BigDUSA 71]

No, you presented it as your own writing.

You posted someone elses work as your own.

Editing within quotes is presenting your words as someone elses.

LYBFAOAYW......

 

LMAOAY

[jacko 8,776]

LMAOAY

Laugh hard, it generates heat, much needed at the trailer park in December....

[BigDUSA 71]

Laugh hard, it generates heat, much needed at the trailer park in December....

 

I didn't know you lived in a trailer park. Good luck maybe you qualify for council housing. You should apply.

[Samsonite 181]

Boeing 787, Ship ZA001 Flight 2, 787 Flight 3, KBFI Departure.

"Boeing 787 ZA001 performing it's second flight, departing for the first time from KBFI (Boeing Field, Seattle, WA) at 2:55PST on 27DEC09 under the Seattle winter sun."

 

Edited December 28, 2009 by Samsonite

[Samsonite 181]

The first Boeing 787, ZA001, went on its third flight, lasting six hours, on Monday, 28 December 2009.

Edited December 29, 2009 by Samsonite

[BigDUSA 71]

Boeing production rises but sales slide in 2009

The jetmaker won a net total of 142 new orders for the year

 

Air Transportation Industry From Tribune news services

 

January 8, 2010

 

Boeing steadily increased its production pace through 2009 and delivered 481 airplanes, but the recession and accompanying airline crisis brought a collapse in new sales.

 

The jetmaker won a net total of 142 new orders for the year. That's the fewest since 125 orders in 1994, according to spokesman Jim Proulx, and compares with 662 net orders in 2008. In 2007, Boeing's record order year, the company won 1,413 net orders. Although Boeing won 263 gross orders last year, the total was reduced by 121 cancellations. Those included 83 canceled orders for the 787 Dreamliner, which flew at the end of the year, about 28 months behind its original schedule.

 

Randy Tinseth, Boeing vice president of marketing for commercial airplanes, attributed the drop to the decline in air traffic for passengers and freight. He noted that the International Air Transport Association predicts airlines worldwide will have lost a total of $11 billion in 2009.

 

"The order numbers reflect the challenges of the market," Tinseth said.

 

Although sales were low in 2009, the delivery total is up from 375 delivered in 2008, when production was hit by a two-month strike by the Machinists union.

 

Compared to 2007, the previous full year of production, the delivery figure is still up by 40 jets.

 

Prospects for the year ahead are for continued low sales and for reduced production rates, in line with slumping airplane demand.

 

Tinseth said "2010 will be another challenging year in the marketplace."

 

He said airlines likely won't become profitable until 2011, and Boeing doesn't expect much of a recovery in sales until the following year.

 

Boeing, which has a backlog of 3,375 aircraft, had said it would deliver 480 to 485 aircraft in 2009. A target for 2010 will be provided when it releases fourth-quarter earnings Jan. 27, the company said.

 

 

Copyright © 2010, Chicago Tribune

[Samsonite 181]

As the article points out there were 263 new orders and 121 cancellations. The total for 2009 does not include United's order for 25 Boeing 787s, but does reflect an order for 11 more 787s placed in December.

[Samsonite 181]

Airbus has their hand out again... "Please, Mom, Dad, I just need another 5 Billion or so....."

 

DATE:08/01/10

SOURCE:Flight International

EADS running out of patience on A400M refinancing

By Andrew Doyle

 

EADS is warning the Airbus Military A400M customer nations that time is running out to save the troubled airlifter, which programme sources say is costing the company more than €100 million ($143 million) a month to sustain.

 

"We are negotiating," says EADS. "We cannot take the burden all alone. We need to share the burden."

 

Sources close to the programme rate the chances of a refinancing deal for the A400M being agreed before EADS's end-of-January deadline at "50:50".

 

The project, running around two years late (edit in: 4 years late) with the prototype having finally achieved its maiden flight in December, requires another €11.4 bllion of funding to complete. EADS has already made a €2.4 billion provision, leaving additional costs of around €9 billion that need to be covered by the seven partner nations and industry.

 

EADS declines to comment on reports that it is seeking another €5.3billion from the nations. Representatives of the customer nations will reportedly meet EADS officials for further talks in London on 15 January.

Germany, the biggest A400M buyer with an order for 60, has taken a hard line, warning it is not prepare to contribute more than a further €650 million to cover inflation and surcharges, as set out in its contract. France and the UK have taken a more conciliatory approach, saying that they expect deal to be reached to continue the programme.

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/...efinancing.html

[BigDUSA 71]

Boeing Pulls Back on 787-3 After Losing Last Order (Update2)

Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co. said it’s reviewing plans to build a shorter-range version of its 787 Dreamliner jet after All Nippon Airways Co., the only remaining customer for the model, changed its order to another variant.

 

“The market viability of the 787-3 is currently being assessed,” Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel said in an e-mail. “As a result of ANA’s order conversion from the 787-3 to the 787-8, there are no longer any 787-3s in the backlog.”

 

All Nippon said today it is replacing an order for 28 of the 787-3 short-range jets with the longer-range 787-8 model. All Nippon was the first airline to order the Dreamliner, with an initial order in 2004 for 30 short-range and 20 long-haul versions. The decision brings the Tokyo-based carrier’s total 787-8 order to 55.

 

The 787-3 was designed to carry as many as 330 passengers as far as 3,050 nautical miles, compared with as many as 250 passengers and as far as 8,200 nautical miles for the 787-8, according to Chicago-based Boeing’s Web site. Boeing diverted resources from the short-haul model in 2008 as it struggled to move the long-distance jet toward production.

 

Last year, Boeing had 83 outright cancellations for the delayed 787, leaving it with 851 Dreamliners in the backlog. Initially meant to fly in August 2007 and reach customers in May 2008, the plane was delayed five times because of hurdles with new composite plastics and an outsourced supply chain that stretched to 135 sites around the world.

 

Dreamliner Delivery

 

Boeing now says it will deliver the first Dreamliner in the fourth quarter of this year to All Nippon. The 787-3 was specifically designed for Japanese customers and only received a total of 43 orders. The Dreamliner remains Boeing’s most popular new-plane sales campaign ever.

 

“It’s a question of resources and priorities,” said Yan Derocles, an aerospace analyst at Oddo Securities in Paris. “They had to concentrate their resources on the version of the plane most in demand so they can take care of all the problems and make sure customers are satisfied.”

 

In June 2009, Japan Airlines Corp., Asia’s largest carrier by sales, also switched its order for 13 short-haul 787s for a long-range version of the plane. Airline spokesman Sze Hunn Yap said at the time that while JAL would have liked to have the shorter-range variants as well, it couldn’t afford to wait.

 

‘Better Solution’

 

“Simply put, getting aircraft into their hands for earlier delivery was a better solution for them,” Boeing’s marketing chief, Randy Tinseth, wrote of All Nippon on his blog today.

 

Boeing fell 60 cents, or 1 percent, to $61.60 at 4:15 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares have gained 38 percent in the past 12 months, outpacing the 27 percent gain in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Aerospace & Defense Index.

 

Separately today, Macquarie Capital Inc. downgraded its rating on Boeing to “neutral” from “outperform,” saying the stock has gained too much compared with peers and that fourth- quarter earnings, due to be released Jan. 27, could provide “a dose of reality.” Rob Stallard, an analyst with Macquarie, wrote that Boeing’s cash flow is “particularly challenged” and he expects “only cautious optimism about the current demand environment for new aircraft.”

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

Happy days for Airbus.

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/...ed-boeings.html

 

DATE:08/01/10

Airbus' 2009 orders on course to exceed Boeing's

By David Kaminski-Morrow

 

Airbus appears virtually certain to exceed Boeing's declared year-end net order total of 142 aircraft when it discloses its 2009 figures next week.

 

The European airframer had recorded 194 net orders by the end of November last year, and has since confirmed firm agreements for dozens more aircraft.

 

Chilean operator LAN's order for 30 Airbus A320-family jets and a Turkish Airlines deal for a further 20 could help push its net total towards the 250 mark.

 

Air New Zealand is to take 14 A320s, but Airbus has yet to record a firm order, and 10 A320s for Yemenia are similarly tentative.

 

The airframer is also still to convert A330 agreements for China Eastern Airlines and Malaysia Airlines, start-up Senegal Airlines and Nepal Airlines, as well as A320s for the latter pair.

 

After taking account of the poor economic climate, Airbus forecast gross orders for 300-400 aircraft at the beginning of 2009 - a figure which had appeared optimistic several months into the first half, but parent company EADS has maintained expectations of 300.

 

Airbus could yet declare additional firm orders at its event next week in Seville, but with just 31 cancellations at the end of November - a quarter of the total accumulated by Boeing - the company would have to be concealing a substantial downward adjustment in its books to fall behind its US rival.

 

While this had appeared optimistic several months into the first half, parent company EADS has maintained a forecast of 300 aircraft.

 

Boeing delivered 481 aircraft last year, in line with expectations. EADS estimated in November that Airbus would achieve 490 deliveries. The airframer had reached 437 by the end of the same month.

[Hub 203]

good for airbus.

 

as long as boeing stock keeps going up, they can cut up that pie any way they want

[wacmedia 277]

good for airbus.

 

as long as boeing stock keeps going up, they can cut up that pie any way they want

 

Hi,

 

No objection to boardies making a few $'s.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

good for airbus.

 

as long as boeing stock keeps going up, they can cut up that pie any way they want

 

Hub,

 

Are you sure we wouldn't be better sinking some cash on the Yanks to retain the Ryder Cup?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

From the BBC ...........

 

 

Airbus leads Boeing after record 2009 plane deliveries

 

 

Airbus announcement overshadowed by A400M

 

Airbus has said it has made a record amount of deliveries in 2009, beating US rival Boeing.

The planemaker handed over a total of 498 aircraft to customers in 2009, 15 more than in 2008 and ahead of Boeing for the seventh year running.

At the end of 2009, the company had a total order backlog of almost 3,500 aircraft.

That makes an order book worth $437bn (£700bn) - equal to six years of full production.

After adjusting for order cancellations, Airbus sold almost twice as many planes as Boeing in 2009 with net sales of 271 aircraft compared with Boeing's 142.

[Samsonite 181]

From the BBC ...........

 

Airbus leads Boeing after record 2009 plane deliveries

 

Airbus announcement overshadowed by A400M...

Good for airbust.

Question for you pommy: If they are selling and delivering record numbers of aircraft why do they need to put their hand out at every opportunity?

 

 

DATE:08/01/10

SOURCE:Flight International

EADS running out of patience on A400M refinancing

By Andrew Doyle

 

EADS is warning the Airbus Military A400M customer nations that time is running out to save the troubled airlifter, which programme sources say is costing the company more than €100 million ($143 million) a month to sustain.

 

"We are negotiating," says EADS. "We cannot take the burden all alone. We need to share the burden."

 

Sources close to the programme rate the chances of a refinancing deal for the A400M being agreed before EADS's end-of-January deadline at "50:50".

 

The project, running around two years late (edit in: 4 years late) with the prototype having finally achieved its maiden flight in December, requires another €11.4 bllion of funding to complete. EADS has already made a €2.4 billion provision, leaving additional costs of around €9 billion that need to be covered by the seven partner nations and industry.

 

EADS declines to comment on reports that it is seeking another €5.3billion from the nations. Representatives of the customer nations will reportedly meet EADS officials for further talks in London on 15 January.

 

Germany, the biggest A400M buyer with an order for 60, has taken a hard line, warning it is not prepare to contribute more than a further €650 million to cover inflation and surcharges, as set out in its contract. France and the UK have taken a more conciliatory approach, saying that they expect deal to be reached to continue the programme.

 

Meanwhile, development aircraft MSN001 logged its third flight on 7 January, completing a 2h 25min sortie.

 

“We made considerable progress in further exploring the aircraft’s behaviour in different configurations and were pleased with what we saw,” says Airbus head of flight operations Fernando Alonso.

 

The A400M’s operational flight envelope has been cleared during MSN001’s 9h 20min of flight activity so far, and Airbus says “the rhythm of flight testing is expected to increase substantially in the coming days”.

 

Additional reporting by Craig Hoyle"

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/...efinancing.html

 

 

"A380 to remain a financial burden for years: Airbus chief

By David Kaminski-Morrow

 

EADS chief Louis Gallois has listed cost control of the Airbus A380 programme as a priority in 2010.

 

Speaking during a joint EADS and Airbus event in Seville today, he said: "Actual production costs are significantly above expectations."

 

He adds that the production ramp-up remains "difficult to manage".

 

"Clearly we are not out of the woods," he says.

 

Airbus chief Tom Enders admits that the manufacturer has "not come to grips with this complex aircraft".

 

He says it will remain a "financial liability" for "years to come", but flagged up airline customers' appreciation of the jet.

 

Airbus is aiming to deliver at least 20 A380s this year. There are currently 23 in service worldwide."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/...ars-airbus.html

 

The news article just above is proof beyond doubt that airbust is nothing more than a government funded

Public Works (jobs) Project. Any REAL Company that has to pay its own way would not, and could not, continue funding a money losing project that has no hope for breaking even within any reasonable time frame.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Samsonite

[BigDUSA 71]

Airbus chief Tom Enders admits that the manufacturer has "not come to grips with this complex aircraft".

 

He says it will remain a "financial liability" for "years to come", but flagged up airline customers' appreciation of the jet.

 

Airbus is aiming to deliver at least 20 A380s this year. There are currently 23 in service worldwide."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/...ars-airbus.html

 

No worries. The EU taxpayer is expected to cover cost overruns.

[Samsonite 181]

Boeing 787 Dreamliner Achieves Initial Airworthiness Milestone

 

 

EVERETT, Wash., Jan. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) has completed initial airworthiness testing on the 787 Dreamliner. This milestone will enable more crew members to take part in flights and will allow more airplanes to join the flight test program.

 

"This is an important step forward," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We are very pleased with the results we have achieved so far. The airplane has been performing as we expected."

 

Since the first flight in mid-December, the program has conducted 15 flights, achieving several key accomplishments. Pilots have taken the airplane to an altitude of 30,000 feet (9,144 meters) and a speed of Mach 0.65. Nearly 60 hours of flying have been completed. Initial stall tests and other dynamic maneuvers have been run, as well as an extensive check-out of the airplane's systems. Six different pilots have been behind the controls of the 787.

 

In the weeks ahead, the team will continue to expand the flight envelope at which the 787 will operate to reach an altitude of more than 40,000 feet (12,192 meters) and a speed of Mach 0.85. Subsequent testing will push the airplane beyond expected operational conditions.

 

"The pilots have told me the results we are seeing in flight match their expectations and the simulations we've run. That's a real tribute to Boeing's expertise and the international team that helped develop and build the airplane," said Fancher.

 

Flight testing will continue in the months ahead. First delivery is planned for the fourth quarter of this year."

 

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1032

[wacmedia 277]

Capitalism only works when people are able to buy creating supply and demand.

 

Hi,

 

Too true. This is what is happening now. When highly skilled well paid jobs are exported the economy ends up with too many McJobs and too many people with no spending power. Credit replaced increased wages in America and results in massive private debt as well as the debt of Uncle Sam. Globalisation seems a good idea in theory, but in practice it only seems to work for the Elite. The rest of us are stuffed.

[BigDUSA 71]

PARIS (AFP) – US aircraft manufacturer Boeing has received 851 orders for its long-range 787 Dreamliner plane from 56 airlines, the head of Boeing France said, describing the tally as "historic."

 

Yves Galland told a press conference the order total took account of 84 cancellations, 83 of which were received last year.

 

But he said the order total was "historic for the launch of an aircraft."

 

The first of the planes will be delivered to the Japanese carrier ANA in the last quarter of 2010.

 

Because of composite materials used in its construction, the 787, which has made 15 test flights but is two years behind schedule, can cut fuel consumption by 20 percent, according to Galland.

quote

 

20% decrease in fuel consumption. If this number holds up that quite an achievement for Boeing.

[wacmedia 277]

20% decrease in fuel consumption. If this number holds up that quite an achievement for Boeing.

 

Hi,

 

Considering how things have gone so far that's a big IF.