Barbaric sport and should be banned !

[MM 6,562]

Can't say the same about you MM. You do have a stake in this... So we are playing on your stake...

 

I have a "stake" in bullfights? How do you come to that conclusion?

 

My only "stake" is to comment that it was a very athletic bull to cross over all the barriers that were erected to prevent the bulls reaching the audience.

 

What's my "stake", according to you?

[sick buffalo 15]

I have a "stake" in bullfights? How do you come to that conclusion?

 

Now you are being a bull...

 

Now you are being a bull...

 

I would have loved to say mule though...

[MM 6,562]

Now you are being a bull...

 

 

 

I would have loved to say mule though...

 

Look up "non sequitur". You seem to have appropriated the whole definition.

 

Maybe you can get out of this by making up a new word.

[sick buffalo 15]

Look up "non sequitur". You seem to have appropriated the whole definition.

 

quid pro quo came to my mind...but anyway if you haven't heard it, you will call it non existent... '

[MM 6,562]

quid pro quo came to my mind...but anyway if you haven't heard it, you will call it non existent... '

 

Once again, non sequitur.

[mrbill2 6]

g'day playmates

 

i cheer everytime the bull gets one back on these sadistic barstards

 

MRBILL2

[MM 6,562]

g'day playmates

 

i cheer everytime the bull gets one back on these sadistic barstards

 

MRBILL2

 

 

I think that says it very well.

[wacmedia 277]

g'day playmates

 

i cheer everytime the bull gets one back on these sadistic barstards

 

MRBILL2

 

Hi,

 

Nothing sadistic about bullfighting mate. We will see all you buggers off.

[cariden 1]

So here's the real question! When a bull is killed in a bullfight does it taste any different than a bull that is killed in captivity??

I do know that most meat comes from cows but once in while they have to kill an old bull...

[Gary 4,119]

A guy goes in a restaurant and sees someone at the next table who is eating a huge plate of meat. The guy tells the waiter that he would like that same dish. The waiter explains that they only have one bull fight a day and there is only one plate of testicles available per day. The waiter tells the guy he can order them the next day if he would like to reserve them.

 

The next day the guy goes into the restaurant and waits for his meal. He gets a plate with only a small amount of meat. He is angry and asks the waiter why the portion is so small. The waiter explains that sometimes the bull wins.

[jacko 8,822]

So here's the real question! When a bull is killed in a bullfight does it taste any different than a bull that is killed in captivity??

I do know that most meat comes from cows but once in while they have to kill an old bull...

I think discussing the meat is off topic somewhat.

Is the sport cruel or not?

Do you condone deliberate cruelty to animals purely to entertain humans?

It would be killed anyway for Big Macs is hardly the point.

 

Should we entertain ourselves like the Romans did then too, with gladiators and feeding Christians to lions.

How about public executions?

Perhaps boxing/ cage fighting is just this too.

 

Surely it is personal. If the cruelty outweighs the entertainment (and possibly bloodlust and sadism), don't support the events.

 

I have never been content since them damned bleeding hearts stopped me charging all over the countryside in pursuit of the inedible shouting toodle-pip and hurrah.

Edited August 21, 2010 by jacko

[cariden 1]

when i was a child 8-9 we went bow hunting, got a rabbit, it was punctured through the animal from one side to other, arrow was hanging out equally on both sides. the rabbit was caught between two trees, hopping up and down til it died. I never hunted again, just didn't like it.

But i DO NOT go around saying it should be banned.

How do you think the deer feel when they are hit with a bullet and then the hunters track them down by chasing the blood trail..

It is not nice but to ban something... just vote with you feet and don't go...

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

FWIW this is my favourite bullring in Spain. It started in 1248 in Seville which is a beautful city and has a beautiful bullring. Not as big as some but reeking of history.

 

http://www.realmaestranza.com/PAGINASR/introduccionrmcs.htm

Edited August 21, 2010 by wacmedia

[Bruce Mangosteen 538]

I think discussing the meat is off topic somewhat.

Is the sport cruel or not?

Do you condone deliberate cruelty to animals purely to entertain humans?

It would be killed anyway for Big Macs is hardly the point.

No, actually it isn't beside the point at all. The point is that, from the point of view of humans, cruelty to animals can be mitigated by the benefit the overall action has to us. That is to say that you can draw a distinction between, say, hunting for sport, where the hunter kills an animal for the entertainment value alone, and hunting for food, where the hunter kills to provide food for his family. I think we can easily recognize that if the hunter eats his kill then whatever pain and suffering the animal goes through is mitigated by the fact that the hunter and his family benefit from the animal's meat and other parts (e.g. pelt for warmth, fat for the making of soap or lamp oil, etc.).

 

Actually, as compared to a cow that is destined to become hamburgers, fighting bulls generally have a much better life. They are fed special feed and vitamins, get prompt veterinary attention, and are provided with ample space to live in. Food livestock lives in cramped conditions with little activity and the minimum of veterinary attention.

 

In the case of bullfighting, animal lovers don't feel that the bull's suffering is mitigated by the eating of the meat, and CERTAINLY not by the entertainment value. That is because they see the bullfight as excessively cruel. TBH, in my mind these are not enough either, and I would not be in favor of, say, legalizing bullfighting in the US.

 

However, I agree with those who see this as an issue of that society having the right to have this activity as part of their culture and history. That to me, along with the facts that the animal has a good life and that they do consume the meat, is sufficient mitigation for the 10 minutes it takes for a bullfight.

 

Should we entertain ourselves like the Romans did then too, with gladiators and feeding Christians to lions.

How about public executions?

Perhaps boxing/ cage fighting is just this too...etc.

There is no moral equivalence between animals and humans, so comparing bullfighting to gladiatorial combat or public executions is off the mark. About boxing and cage fighting, not only does the previous statement apply, but both combatants are in the ring of their own free will, so that comparison is even more inappropriate. Edited August 21, 2010 by Bruce Mangosteen