The Hobbit ...

[LocalYokul 217]

You're forgetting that bad parenting is the norm these days. The TV and video games are the babysitters of North America.

 

People are whinging about the separation of church and state now, saying if prayer was allowed in school like it used to etc. etc.

 

The truth is, religion should also be taught at home, or at least morality. I'm no fan of religions, so I stick with morality. When those aren't taught at home and the kid is left to believing that shit that goes on in movies and video games is acceptable then that's the outcome you get, Killers !

 

They're developing into a race of sociopaths, and those who are warped enough become psychopaths, but I digress, The Hobbit was a big disappointment for me, but take your children, they'll love it.

[jacko 8,822]

That seems like a case of bad parenting more than anything else. If kids that age are too stupid to understand that sex and violence depicted in videos, movies, and games aren't representative of real-world behavior then it should be blamed on parents. Besides, he kid in the article you mentioned was too young to be seeing those things legally.

 

Pulling back, the kid in the article you mentioned was 12. The shooter in the Connecticut tragedy was 20. Those are very different situations.

 

Did you watch porn as a kid? I watched some movies when I was under 18. Did you go out raping girls? I didn't.

We are talking about a kid of 12 and you are going on about him being too stupid to discern real world from make believe, you clearly have no recollection of being a kid and, if you have your own, did not pay attention to their world of make believe.

 

Don't muddy the waters by blaming parents, I see little justification of collateral damage where 7-8 year olds are slaughtered, just so that some immature red-necks can have a loaded weapon handy.

No I did not watch porn as a kid!

[MC_Ldop 40]

We are talking about a kid of 12 and you are going on about him being too stupid to discern real world from make believe, you clearly have no recollection of being a kid and, if you have your own, did not pay attention to their world of make believe.

 

Don't muddy the waters by blaming parents, I see little justification of collateral damage where 7-8 year olds are slaughtered, just so that some immature red-necks can have a loaded weapon handy.

No I did not watch porn as a kid!

 

I recollect being 12 just fine. By then I understood that there was no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Freddy Krueger, etc. I have no idea about your upbringing, but when I was 12 I knew the difference between real and make believe, I understood that the shootings in Star Wars weren't representative in real life, and I had a basic, but clear, definition of what was right and wrong. All credit goes to my parents. Certainly I enjoyed make-believe worlds, but I understood that a radioactive spider wasn't going to give my Spider-Man's powers.

 

In the Connecticut case, it's absolutely appropriate to blame the parents. The guy was mentally ill. His mother had three guns -- including an assault rifle -- that were easily accessible to her mentally-ill child. I don't see how that's muddying the waters.

[jacko 8,822]

I recollect being 12 just fine. By then I understood that there was no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Freddy Krueger, etc. I have no idea about your upbringing, but when I was 12 I knew the difference between real and make believe, I understood that the shootings in Star Wars weren't representative in real life, and I had a basic, but clear, definition of what was right and wrong. All credit goes to my parents. Certainly I enjoyed make-believe worlds, but I understood that a radioactive spider wasn't going to give my Spider-Man's powers.

 

In the Connecticut case, it's absolutely appropriate to blame the parents. The guy was mentally ill. His mother had three guns -- including an assault rifle -- that were easily accessible to her mentally-ill child. I don't see how that's muddying the waters.

That must be why they allow 12 year olds into bars then? And to drive and go to restricted movies to watch Freddie Kruger etc etc.

Fine your parenting was superior, but that is so less common these days.

 

You are muddying the waters by even mentioning Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and Spider Man. In the Conneticut case, there are 20 dead children, blaming the mother will not bring them back.

 

His mother had three guns -- including an assault rifle -- that were easily accessible

 

Herein lies the problem! Edited December 17, 2012 by jacko

[LocalYokul 217]

 

I understood that a radioactive spider wasn't going to give my Spider-Man's powers.

 

Of course not, Spider-Man would already have his powers, and I'm a little envious that you had your own Spider-Man, or is that just a colloquialism?

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Is The Hobbit shown in Pattaya at 48 or 24 frames per second?

 

Evil

[atlas2 4,329]

Is The Hobbit shown in Pattaya at 48 or 24 frames per second?

 

Evil

 

When I saw it I couldn't detect any difference...........So I'm assuming that unless you go for the 3D option..(which I avoid as the Thai sub-titles jump out and confuse the perspectives)...It isn't.....Then again It could be......Hope that helps.

[MC_Ldop 40]

In the Conneticut case, there are 20 dead children, blaming the mother will not bring them back.

 

The shooter killed his mother with her own guns. If they were locked away properly, she and the children would still be alive. I don't understand how you can dismiss that negligence.

[papillon 695]

Killed with her own gun. Bet she didn't think about that when she bought it.

[jacko 8,822]

The shooter killed his mother with her own guns. If they were locked away properly, she and the children would still be alive. I don't understand how you can dismiss that negligence.

I may accept her negligence, or should I blame the negligence of the system which allowed her to obtain and keep such items in her home.

You are simply clutching at straws here... if the weapons were secured...but the son knew how to get to them, well, same result likely.

How many innocent children do you feel need to be sacrificed on the altar of the right to bear arms before the blood runs too deep?

[LocalYokul 217]

The Hobbit, don't go watch it unless you're taking your kids !

 

Or you just want to line the pockets of Pete Jackson.

[Sinistersinner 223]

"Ironically enough, when I returned home Big Bang Theory was on with the episode about The Ring they found in a box."

 

Now thats a great Sitcom, great characters and well played.

 

Absolutely........

[MC_Ldop 40]

I may accept her negligence, or should I blame the negligence of the system which allowed her to obtain and keep such items in her home.

 

I don't know much about the woman, so I can't comment on whether she should have been allowed to obtain the guns or not. To me, an assault rifle seems excessive. That said, I don't see how you "may accept her negligence" when she's absolutely responsible. She bought powerful weapons. She didn't lock them away properly in a household with a mentally-ill son.

 

You are simply clutching at straws here... if the weapons were secured...but the son knew how to get to them, well, same result likely.

How many innocent children do you feel need to be sacrificed on the altar of the right to bear arms before the blood runs too deep?

 

I'm not arguing about the right to bear arms. That's a different and broader issue. I don't see how I'm clutching at straws. She bought two guns and an assault rifle, and left them so that head mentally-ill son could get his hands on them. That's irresponsible and, obviously, dangerous.

[jacko 8,822]

I don't know much about the woman, so I can't comment on whether she should have been allowed to obtain the guns or not. To me, an assault rifle seems excessive. That said, I don't see how you "may accept her negligence" when she's absolutely responsible. She bought powerful weapons. She didn't lock them away properly in a household with a mentally-ill son.

 

 

 

I'm not arguing about the right to bear arms. That's a different and broader issue. I don't see how I'm clutching at straws. She bought two guns and an assault rifle, and left them so that head mentally-ill son could get his hands on them. That's irresponsible and, obviously, dangerous.

And my thoughts are, pass some blame to the system that allowed her to purchase them in the first instance. Her responsibility is far from absolute, most goes to the son, some goes to whoever sold the weapons to her. She isn't a qualified psychiatrist and it is far from unusual for a mother to give undeserved support of her offspring. I believe she was planning to have him committed which put him over the edge.

 

I am sure many legal weapons are not secure in homes around the USA, as it would partly defeat the reasons for having them...shit I have seen them in cars and being carried in public, hardly secure!

Edited December 20, 2012 by jacko

[LocalYokul 217]

I don't recall there being any projectile weapons in The Hobbit. It was mostly swords & clubs.