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Transferring vehicle ownership

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I just bought a 2nd hand motorbike, registered in Chonburi.

 

I have the green book now.

 

What do I need to transfer registration from the previous owner to me?

 

The previous owner says I need something from Immigration...possibly a residence letter, though his English wasn't clear.

 

I have a Thai 5 year license and retirement visa. Is there really any need for me to go to Immigration too?

 

 

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You will need a letter of residence from immigration and a copy of your passport + license. You can take it to any motor bike shop and they can do it all for you.

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You will need a letter of residence from immigration and a copy of your passport + license. You can take it to any motor bike shop and they can do it all for you.

 

Jeez. You'd think the 90 day reporting requirement with current address would satisfy that need...but TIT.

 

Thanks...off to Immigration.

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Jeez. You'd think the 90 day reporting requirement with current address would satisfy that need...but TIT.

 

Thanks...off to Immigration.

Don't forget to take photos and passport etc, they can usually take care of everything for you in the little shop in the corner while you wait outside for a few 100 baht. They can take your photos there for you also.

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Don't forget to take photos and passport etc, they can usually take care of everything for you in the little shop in the corner while you wait outside for a few 100 baht. They can take your photos there for you also.

 

Got it just before they closed today...photos and copies 120 baht..immigration fee 300 baht. What a scam.

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You know all the scams then, do you?

 

Only the one's i have been scammed by ( Which is most of them , like most other people do ).......!

 

Same here. I've never bought a used vehicle before. I also had a work permit when I bought new, so this is new to me.

 

 

Don't forget you need to take the sellers residence certifice with you ( as prev mentioned) plus copy of his passport and the official transfer form signed by the seller. If possible you should get the seller to go with you and complete the deal there.

In this case, the seller is Thai..and will be going with me.

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Friday, I got the certificate of residency...but I couldn't get ahold of the seller before the Mityon shop closed (where I planned to take the transfer paperwork).

 

So, early this afternoon, all my papers in hand, I called the seller and asked her to meet me at the Mityon. She said she was out of the house, but had left the signed papers with someone staying at the house.

 

The missus said she would go with me, though I was thinking it'd be a cake walk and I'd pop into Rose Apple for a massage afterwards. There went that plan. It turns out it was a godsend for her to come along.

 

Here's why. We went to the house, picked up the papers, went to Mityon..passed them over to the lady there and she went thru them. Then Pin (my wife) and she started a heated discussion..when they came up for air, I said what's up?

 

Pin said that the name on the ownership book wasn't the name of the lady who had signed the papers this morning! WTF? She used someone elses ID card, someone else's tabian baan, and there was nothing to connect her to the owner name in the green book.

 

Okay, so I've just been had, is that it? The lady who sold me the bike, who I sent the money to, is not the owner, right? Right she said.

 

Great. I'm trying to register a stolen bike I guess. Oh, and it had back taxes due as well, when she had assured me the taxes were paid for this year but she had just "lost" the tags.

 

There's a lesson here. In order to foster and element of trust, since I had physical possession of the bike, I had paid her in full already...no deposit crap...the full amount.

 

So, we took all the papers back and headed to our friend Bushcraft's house nearby to try to puzzle this out.

 

To be continued...

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Sorry to hear this Martin but apparently not unusual.

At the Expats Club meeting someone mentioned that if you bought a second hand bike liability for back-taxes may come with it.

 

You have 'the house' as a connection...the saga continues.

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Okay, so here we are at Bushcraft's house while I am thinking up various vengeance plans and Pin is calling one of the girls she knows who knows the lady who sold the bike to me.

 

The girl comes over and says that person is her aunt, and no, she doesn't actually own the bike, but the legal owner lives in the same house, so off they go to the house. I was still not convinced this would help or that anyone would sort this out..and it was getting late in the day.

 

A half hour later, Pin comes back with a sheaf of papers, and says "it's all okay now". The real owner was sort of surprised that her friend thought she could sign over the bike, and apologized. This is looking better

 

Off we go to the shop to do the transfer again, to many grins from the staff there who thought I'd been bamboozled and were waiting to see what would happen.

 

Pin handed over the paperwork, they started perusing it...10 minutes into this, Pin starts writing the same Thai word on a piece of paper and then shows it to me and asks if I can write that. My Thai penmenship, even copying, is atrocious...as is my English to be honest, and I tried and obviously failed. I said "what's this for?" and she told me that the word was "Nong" นาง meaning "Mrs." and the lady had forgotten to sign the transfer papers with that prefix...but the green book said นาง, so it had to match. My god, how quibbling are these people!

 

So, she proceeded to add, in her best copied penmenship, the letters นาง in front of each of the signatures she got today. I didn't think of it as forging, but it wasn't something anybody was happy to do.

 

Once done, all other paperwork was completed, and the fees changed hands...and I was now the proud owner of the bike.

 

Real paperwork and tags should arrive in between 2 weeks and a month.

 

So, sometimes it can be easy, sometimes it is just amazingly difficult.

 

I'm happy to report there was no scam (aside from the prior year's tax not being paid), and that alls well that ends well.

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But the girl was knowingly selling you someone else's bike!

Her aunt's bike.

And the girl claims she thought she could sign it over....... hard to believe isn't it!

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But the girl was knowingly selling you someone else's bike!

Her aunt's bike.

And the girl claims she thought she could sign it over....... hard to believe isn't it!

 

Yep. I still don't get what was going on, but the real owner was happy to sign the papers.

 

Note that I think I sent the money to the lady who was not the owner. I think she was acting as an "agent" for her friend/relative in the house.Maybe she thought she could deal with me since she spoke English fairly well.

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But the girl was knowingly selling you someone else's bike!

Her aunt's bike.

And the girl claims she thought she could sign it over....... hard to believe isn't it!

There's a standard "Power of Attorney" letter that you can pick up in most Thai stationary shops ... you need that in addition to the normal paperwork to enable you to act for the (real) owner.

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But the girl was knowingly selling you someone else's bike!

Her aunt's bike.

And the girl claims she thought she could sign it over....... hard to believe isn't it!

There's a standard "Power of Attorney" letter that you can pick up in most Thai stationary shops ... you need that in addition to the normal paperwork to enable you to act for the (real) owner.
That might have been there, but with the ID card not matching her name, it was a non-starter.
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