Shooter

It doesn't appear that we are discussing the same issue. No one said Boeing isn't having problems. Financial and otherwise. My point originally and really all I was trying make was that it isn't an unsafe platform. I will be happy to fly on a 787 if it has the right seats, route and price. If you don't feel safe just say so.

Me the same. Warning though. It is easy to start taking them regularly because the sleep is SOOOOOOO good. But not healthy. I was taking one a night for almost a year and the doc said no way man. I stopped and he was surprised. I think he expected me to need to see someone to drop an addiction. Now I'll do as you do. Leave LAX at midnight. Have dinner on the jet and barely be awake naturally cause I'm an old git usually asleep by 10 anyway. By then it's 2 AM my time and I take the ambien. Sometimes I awake as we are arriving in taipei or ICN. Couple more nights to acclimate also. But I think getting out and playing golf that first day and getting sunshine really helps a lot too.

I've been flying business so long and still some of their seats are hard on me. Lucky for me ambien and alcohol mix well on long haul flights and I don't remember much. ?

Yeah. There are two factors. The platform and how they kit it. The 380 to me is great simply because it is smoother and quieter than any other jet I have flown. Of course if they put bad seats in it matters little. For me it's seat pitch, and 1-2-1 across so I don't have to climb over anyone or be climbed over. Als I have felt different quality in the seats of similar size. It's all in how the airpline spend on the seating. On the 787 it is also supposed to be smoother and quieter in the air like the 380.

Well and the reduction in routes and traffic too. I'd not invest in either right now.

The article is 5 months old. ? What is the point? Do you feel the Dreamliner is unsafe? Were any grounded for this? I'm not clear on the issue, It's OK if you weren't impressed which might be how that airline kitted out the interior. And it is OK to point out Boeing has problems impacting it's bottom line and public confidence. But why would that prevent someone from flying in one?

I guess it's just two different things. One member said he would not fly on a 787 as if it is an unsafe platform. I don't see that. I agree it is trouble for Boeing as they are having production problems. But I'd fly on one. I pretty much will fly any Boeing or Airbus product excepting a 737 MAX which of course are grounded anyway.

That is a problem for Boeing. But I don't see it as a problem for the flying public. In fact I really want to fly one as it is supposed to be really smooth, quiet and better air quality. So far for me the best jet to fly is the 380. Smooth and quiet. At least in the upper deck in business class.

Interesting thought. What happens to a jet that sits unflown for a few years? I dn't know. I think every major jet production run has examples of problems. What isn't common is the kind of problems the 737MAX had. That was fucked up design and training. In the end it's either be a fatalist and fly or stay home. I won't fly on Russian jets but Boeing and Airbus both work for me.

I really wanted to try the Dreamliner with JAL. Then I looked at their seat layout in business class. Instead of the usual 1-2-1 seating it is 2-2-2. What were they thinking?

This discussion had nothing to do with the Dreamliner. It was the 777 and P&W engines specifically. The Dreamliner doesn't use the same engine. While I am no fan of seeing the plane I'm on with an engine on fire what it proved was the 777 was a well built jet. It retained complete control and landed safely on the single good engine. What happened to that engine IS something we need to uncover. And I looked at the reports on the Dreamliner above. Yes. They have uncovered issues in the jet and resolved them. One can do research on most big jets and find problems. AIrbus 380 has engine blow up. Airbus wing cracks So yeah I get it I would not board a 777 with P&W engines today. But a Dreamliner no problem. Especially if free business class tickets and massages. ?

What's the problem with the Dreamliner?

Yup. I would not live higher than I can walk unless the building has emergency power available. And I think my last condo was at my limit of comfort at 7 floors. Also agree 26 meters is only for a visit. I had 80 sqm and that was comfortable. As for a washing machine - pass. I'm OK dropping it off and picking it up. Lazy fuck here. ?

Thanks. Been thinking of an e-bike here in my community. Private roads and I can get from the clubhouse and back on an e-bike quicker than the golf cart. And more fun.

Looks like fun. I wonder how stable it is with those small wheels though. As an aging pensioner I worry about things like falling off bikes. ?

I HAVE A HEART. (insert video of Steve Martin in the Jerk jumping up and down when the new phone book arrives). ?

I don't think I run any special adblocker. I don't see many ads here but maybe it's in some setting on my end. There are the ads at the top of the page I can see. Don't know. haven't had this issue elsewhere so who knows? Is Upgrade a unique group? I was always told I was special. Even going to school I got to ride in a shorter bus. ?

I would click like to this - or LOL. But nothing there. ?

New paint and seat covers good as new. ?

Thanks for the quick reply. Problem is - I have no heart. LOL. No seriously there isn't anything there. I see stuff after others have liked or whatever but in your reply to me now there is a blank area. No heart.

I see people have upvoted or something posts hey like. I do not seem to have that ability. I tried Chrome and Safari. Thanks for any tips.

Yeah pretty obvious it was a screw up of epic proportions. And it will damage Boeing for years to come. But it is still in our best interests for them to survive and continue to innovate.

I sense some are happy Boeing is having problems now with the 737 Max. I don't get it. As passengers it is in our best interests for both Boeing and Airbus to succeed. Without both there is little competition driving innovation and improvement. Note Boeing didn't do a lot of new stuff for a while after Douglas and Lockheed gave up passengers jet production. No need. If a new airline came along they could buy Boeing or Boeing. Now there is a choice and Boeing is forced to produce new and improved products. I get it the national pride some have of Boeing over Airbus and vice versa. But don't let it color the reality - we the public benefit from both being around for the long term. OK, off the soap box. Almost fell getting down. ?

Yes. But then again it's always about service versus price. No one else is even CLOSE to their price for biz service between BKK and USA. If I was willing to spend whatever it took I'm sure I'd fly Singapore Air. But then, I think it would more than double my cost. Hey, I'm still a bit flush but not THAT flush

I fly the EVA business all the time. They have flat seats but NOT horizontal. I would love flat and horizontal seats. But I don't see anything near the same pricing from a cursory look at Delta. I pay around $2700 RT biz class on Eva and I fly them cause there is no one else in the same range that I know of. I'd would love to have someone point out an airline I'm missing. ALways happy to save money