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You nailed it right there, riri. At Hell/Eden you pay a little more, but you get (a hell of ) alot more, too. It simply isn't true that you can get the same service elsewhere for less money. Certainly you can get sessions with two or more ladies at other places, but it won't come within light years of what you get at the Hell Club. If you're going to compare prices, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. That's the first big mistake some of the Hell bashers make. Keep in mind that the 3,600B fee covers 90 minutes with two ladies and you can come as many times as you want or are able. Almost everywhere else, you'll be quoted a price for a session that ends when you come and you're allowed only one shot. At the most, it will be 60 minutes with maybe two shots if you pay extra. In terms of pleasure-per-minute and quality of service. But if you think it is better value for money to pay 1,500B or 2,000B for a 15-minute, one-shot session that doesn't include anal or lesbian, that's up to you. The second mistake is that the bashers don't place any value on their own time. In some cases, that's literally true - their time is worthless and I compliment them on both their self-knowledge and honesty. But some of us do value our time, even when on vacation. It's never taken me more than a few minutes to set up any sort of session at Hell or Eden, most often before I even arrive in Thailand. If I have to spend hours to set up a session that in the end would only be a pale shadow of the Eden experience, that isn't a bargain to me. It's not my style to knock places just because I choose not to have sessions there. Suffice it to say I spent many hours on Jan. 18 visiting about 10 different places trying to set up a Hell-style session involving two ladies. It just wasn't possible. Only one place came even close and there I would have paid nearly exactly the same price as Hell, but for two ladies neither of whom spoke more than a few words of English. The third mistake is that no other establishment has a guarantee of service like Hell/Eden. Everywhere else "youse pays yo' money and takes yo' chances." It's not the money angle that worries me but it's hugely disappointing to have a session that turns out nothing like you'd hoped. At Hell you can count on the ladies bending over backwards - literally sometimes - to make sure you have a thrilling time. For all these reasons, Hell comes out on top for me. If you prefer to go elsewhere, that's up to you and I wish you the best. I understand perfectly that not everyone will want to go to Hell or Eden. What I can't fathom is why guys who've never been there and claim state they never will spend so much time and effort to bash Hell/Eden. Evil

Gentlemen- I am impressed and that doesn't happen all that often. In this thread we've had insightful comments from Evades, alan ladd, Talbotman, stevoman, brotherbuzz, BigDUSA, Bill Wilson, s.morelli, Shuggy, lovercannes and riri. That's a very impressive list, covering all points of compass and diverse approaches to the Pattaya experience, yet all of them say the same thing: Hell/Eden may not be for everyone, but it is certainly an option for some punters. In response to excessively harsh comments from two lame dupe underthinkers, you gentlemen told it like it is with diplomacy and aplomb. I therefore extend you a very respectful tip of the evil pen. Rhoel - You expressed your opinion very well. There was nothing in it at which anyone should take umbrage. You simply confirmed that the Hell Club isn't for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm also concerned with personal choice, but I see it in a somewhat different light. There are many, many places in Pattaya than offer one-lady sessions, but there are few that feature multiple-lady sessions and none that hold the same standard as the Hell Club. From my point of view, as a huge fan of two-or-more-ladies-and- one-guy sessions, it's all those other places which limit my personal choice. It only proves that Hell has a niche to fill in the broad P4P spectrum. And the comments from alan ladd have also perked my interest about his establishment. A visit to NLD1 will be #2 on my things-to-do list next time I'm in Pattaya, right after a return visit to the Hell Club. Evil

"I don't know but I've been told, Eskimo pussy is mighty cold." Of course, the Inuits live in the Arctic, not the Antartica, but nevertheless it's very cold. I was on Greenland in the 1970s and the ladies there were probable the most promiscuous in the world. The old joke used to be that you paid them to take a bath, the sex you got for free. The older Inuits never bathed, but the more urbanized younger ones took a bath about every three or four months. I don't how it is today, but that's what it was like back then. It really made me appreciate the fixation TGs have for cleanliness and personal hygiene. Evil

Bill- I agree with you 100% - not with Ned Kelly or touristman. But I hope someone (I wonder who?) will keep handing them ammunition so they can shoot themselves in the foot a few more times. Let the good times roll! Evil

And if you are determined to see the ladies of Hell one-by-one, there's always the overnight take-away option from 10.00 p.m. to 6.00 a.m. Evil

The suites at Nana have been rennovated and a very good value for money. Some even have jacuzzis, but they are almost impossible to get, they're booked by regular guests so far in advance. Noise is always a problem at Nana, but if you're thinking about going to bed early, there's probably no point in staying at Nana, you'd be better off at a different hotel. Nana is for hardcore mongers and only hardcore mongers. Evil

Here are some suggestions for hotels in the Bangkok Sukhumvit area, ranging from budget to five-star. The smaller budget ones are clean , secure and you can get nice rooms for between 1,400 baht and about 2,000 baht, depending on the type of room and hotel. This list is by no means exhaustive. There are plenty of others that have been widely written about, I've tried to add a few that aren't as well known. Because I have included the links, I'm not going to write in detail about each hotel. The Royal Ivory is down the street from the Nana Hotel and NEP, while the Ever Rich Inn is between Suk Soi 5 and Soi 7 and the Stable Lodge is on Soi 8. The others are farther away ( on Soi 19, Soi 18 and Soi 33, respectively), but still within easy BTS or taxi distance of NEP and walking distance to Soi Cowboy. If you just use your hotel room for a few hours sleep and to screw, you're probably better off at the Nana, Majestic Suites or Manhattan (assuming you can get a room, sometimes difficult these days). But if you want a room to chill out in for a few hours a day, some of the smaller hotels offer better value for money. I had a big room with a full kitchen (stove, fridge, microwave) at the Royal Ivory Nana for 1,800 baht/night. I used it for a party with five ladies, even though I had a room at a five-star hotel. It wasn't convenient to bring back five ladies to that room because I had colleagues staying at the same hotel. Besides, the ladies and I had a lot of fun cooking dinner together. If you want something a bit more comfortable, you can book a jacuzzi suite at the Town Lodge (3,200b/night) or Livingstones (4,000b/night). Royal Ivory Nana Ever Rich Inn Stable Lodge Swiss Grottino Town Lodge Livingstones The following is a booking agency that specializes in budget accommodation and can often find you a room when others can't. Thai Hotel Discounts If you are in Bangkok on business or prefer a larger full-service hotel, the "Big Three" guest friendly hotels in the Sukhumvit area are the Sheraton Grande, JW Marriott and the Westin. The Landmark is also very guest friendly. These hotels will run you anywhere from $120 to $180 and more, depending on what kind of discount rate you're entitled to or if you catch a promotional price. Other upscale choices include: President Solitaire A bit out of the way on Soi 11, but absolutely no problem to get a taxi day or night. However, if I couldn't get a Platinum Suite with giant jacuzzi and kitchen (5,100B/night), I doubt I'd want to stay at the PS. Emporium Suites Great swimming pool, well-equiped kitchen, right at Emporium shopping center and BTS station. Davis Hotel Again, a bit out of the way, but huge value for money. Dream Hotel Bangkok The coolest hotel in BKK, opened in October, 2006. All the TGs loved the Dream Suite (about $300 U.S./night- company paid). Several called relatives/friends just to come look at the suite. Evil

Tis the Season

A very informative write-up which deserves a tip of the evil pen. I'll have to pay a visit to your establishment if for no other reason than you did such a fine job in describing the area. For me, the attraction of Soi L.K. Metro will be: 1) the Eden Club; 2) the Eden Club; and last but not least, 3) the Eden Club. But it's nice to know there are other venues in the vicinity as man does not live by pussy alone. Also, it's great if a bit of an upscale alternative is evolving to Walking St and Soi 6. Niche areas that cater to different groups and preferences will become Pattaya's version of "sustainable development," rather than the overspill of lowest-common-denominator clones from Walking St. Different strokes for different folks pretty well sums it up. And don't let anybody deter you from your promotional efforts. This ain't no NeverNeverLand. Without strong doses of marketing, no area - or individual business - can succeed in an environment like Pattaya. Again, my compliments on a bang-up write-up. Evil

This is from a town in Austria. Not an exciting place at all, definitely missionary position with the lights out. Evil

I do! Evil

This article from the Bangkok Post looks to be quite definitive on the taxi-and-transport situation at the new airport. Of course, that doesn't mean it is necessarily correct, but it is the most detailed explanation I've seen so far. Transport To/From New Airport Evil

Freedom from Muslim men. Evil

That's a suggestion I have no trouble declining. But I must ask, why do a few jokes, posted in a spirit of promoting cross-cultural understanding in these difficult times, bother you so much? Evil

Now that's an invitation I couldn't possible decline. You seem to have a flair for making friends quickly. Evil

There's a theory that all jokes in existence were known by the time of the Romans and today's funny stories are simply an updating of earlier punchlines. Evil

When Osama bin Laden is finally killed by the CIA, he is met at the Gates of Paradise by George Washington, who slapped him across the face and yelled, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped found!" Patrick Henry approached, punched him in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed." James Madison followed, kicked him in the groin and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!" Thomas Jefferson was next, beat Osama with a long cane and snarled, "It was evil men like you who inspired me to write the Declaration of Independence." The beatings and thrashings continued as George Mason, James Monroe , Robert E. Lee, Jeb Stuart and 64 other early Americans unleashed their anger on the terrorist leader. As Osama lay weeping in pain, the Angel Gabriel appeared. Bin Laden whined, "This is not what I expected!This is not what you promised Muslim martyrs." Gabriel replied, "I told Mohammad there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you guys in Paradise. What did you think I had said? Evil

Three strangers strike up a conversation in the airport passenger lounge in Bozeman, Montana, awaiting their flights. One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer. Another is a Cowboy on his way to Billings for a livestock show and the third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at Montana State University from the Middle East. Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures. Soon, the two others learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull. The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine table and tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face. The wind outside is blowing tumbleweeds around, and the old windsock is flapping; but still no plane comes. Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, "At one time here, my people were many, but sadly, now we are few." The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward, "Once my people were few," he sneers, "and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?" The Montana cowboy shifts his toothpick to one side of his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a drawl, "That's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet, but I do believe it's a-comin'." Evil

Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah in Lebanon, gets word a lone Israeli soldier has been cut off on a hill near the Litani River. He sends a thousand jihadis to attack the one Israeli, but none of the Hezbollah fighters come back. He phones up one of his bosses, Bashir Assad, the President of Syria, and asks what he should do. "You must kill the Jewish dog," says Assad."Send 2,000 jihadis." Nasrallah obeys, but none of the 2,000 come back, either. He phones another of his bosses, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, and explains the situation. "You must wipe the Zionist entity off the map!" thunders Mahmoud the Mad. "Send 4,000 jihadis!" And none of them come back. Trembling with fear, Nasrallah phones his ultimate leader, Osama bin Ladin and tells him he has lost 7,000 jihadis trying to wipe out one Israeli soldier. "You must eliminate at all costs the infidel invader who is defiling sacred Muslim soil," said bin Laden. "But you must do it intelligently. He asked Nasrallah how many Muslims remained south of the Litani River. About 20,000, including women and children, he answered. Gather all the Muslims together and use the women and children as human shields, then attack the Jew with your fighters, bin Ladin ordered. Nasrallah did as he was told, but placed himself at the very rear of the column of 20,000 terrified Muslims. As they neared their target, they saw the bodies of the 7,000 jihadis on the side of the hill where the lone Israeli soldier was holding out. It had been a terrible massacre, the jihadis had literally been torn limb from limb. Then they notice one jihadi staggering towards them on his last legs. Just before he dies, he yells: "Go back! Go back! It's a trap. There are TWO!" Evil