Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I may be remembering this wrong but didn't Airbus do the same thing when they had to redesign the wing on the 380?

 

No. The A380 had been flying for 10 months when the minor issue with the wing appeared. It was 3% short of what was required for certification and easily fixed. The problem with the 787 is that it is 99% percent airworthy. Unfortunately, the remaining 1% is the bit that keeps the wings attached to the fuselage.

[Samsonite 181]

No. The A380 had been flying for 10 months when the minor issue with the wing appeared. It was 3% short of what was required for certification and easily fixed. The problem with the 787 is that it is 99% percent airworthy. Unfortunately, the remaining 1% is the bit that keeps the wings attached to the fuselage.

As usual, the truth never bothers CheshirePom. The only thing you got right was the A380 wing broke at 147%. Actually, according to airbust is was "between 145 and 150%."

"Minor issue"??!! Hell, Pommy, a commercial airliner has to pass that test or it will not be allowed to go into service, that is, be delivered to the airlines. No deliveries, no money. In the case of the flying critroen airbust was able to convince the regulating bodies that their "fix" was sufficient to being it up to code.

Edited October 21, 2009 by Scalawag

[CheshireTom 1,377]

As usual, the truth never bothers CheshirePom. The only thing you got right was A380 wing broke at 147% (or was 143%?).

"Minor issue"??!! Hell, Pommy, a commercial airliner has to pass that test or it will not be allowed to go into service, that is, be delivered to the airlines. No deliveries, no money. In the case of the flying critroen airbust were able to convince the regulating bodies that their "fix" was sufficient to being it up to code.

 

Jeez, if it isn't Mr "on time and to budget".

 

 

By Ann Keeton

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

 

Hammered by cost overruns on two new commercial airplane programs, Boeing Co. (BA) swung to a third-quarter loss, recording $3.5 billion of previously disclosed charges for the 787 and the 747-8 Freighter.

 

I thought you told us the thing was going to be flying by the end of this month. Wrong again.

[Samsonite 181]

I thought you told us the thing was going to be flying by the end of this month.

I correspond with a aviation blogger who has become quite respected in recent years and is now working for a British publication that is decidedly bias in favor of airbust. It was his guess it would be September or October. At this point Boeing has lost all credibility, as far as I'm concerned, and I've taken a "I'll believe when it happens" attitude.

Edited October 21, 2009 by Scalawag

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I correspond with a aviation blogger who has become quite respected in recent years and is now working for a British publication that is decidedly bias in favor of airbust. It was his guess it would be September or October.

 

Perhaps you need to learn to think for yourself.

[BigDUSA 71]

and living off your wife and a meager pension (much of it based on a fraudulent disability claim), living in a shoebox in philly, driving around in a low-end hatchback, stayin at the Skyslop, and relying on free buffets for your meals.

 

That sure sounds like the sweet life.

 

What's with the personal attacks in this section? MM started a section on this forum so guys like you can make these personal attacks. Use it.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Your good at taking quotes out of context. I have to say, it's so sweet to be retired and having no boss.

 

What's that got to do with anything? MM started a section where you could peddle your Walter Mitty fantasies. Use it.

[BigDUSA 71]

What's that got to do with anything? MM started a section where you could peddle your Walter Mitty fantasies. Use it.

 

I do use it and no Walter Mitty fantasies on my part and I've offered various proof's to back up my so called fantasies. I can understand your resentment to the life I lead and if I was as broke as you are, I might feel the same way.

[spacebass 0]

Computer simulations and build the fix to be say three times over the strength requirements. Cross their fingers and hope for the best. I may be remembering this wrong but didn't Airbus do the same thing when they had to redesign the wing on the 380?

 

 

Keep your fingers crossed..........................Sounds about right (How the mighty have fallen.)

Edited October 21, 2009 by spacebass

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I do use it and no Walter Mitty fantasies on my part and I've offered various proof's to back up my so called fantasies. I can understand your resentment to the life I lead and if I was as broke as you are, I might feel the same way.

 

You offered proof of your various shore visits from your cruises. Nothing more.

 

It's not me that has to fly back to Philly three to five times a year. I'll send you a postcard from Loy Krathong.

Edited October 21, 2009 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

You offered proof of your various shore visits from your cruises. Nothing more.

 

It's not me that has to fly back to Philly three to five times a year. I'll send you a postcard from Loy Krathong.

 

tommie knew about my cruises for years and it didn't bother him until I offered proof. Then all of a sudden it became a big deal for him. So lame tommie. Yes I come to Pattaya three to five times a year. That's right year in and year out. I can at least to afford to make the trip's. Send your postcard to my favorite guest house if you can afford the postage.

Edited October 22, 2009 by BigDUSA

[Samsonite 181]

What's with the personal attacks in this section?

Consider the source and put him on ignore. He is typical of the "supermarket tabloid class" that think running other people down is good fun. Doesn't matter if it is true or not as he makes it up as he goes along totally without conscience or ethics of any kind. Modern daytime television is aimed at such people.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

tommie knew about my cruises for years and it didn't bother him until I offered proof. Then all of a sudden it became a big deal for him. So lame tommie.

 

Your shore visits have never been a big deal for me. I'm well aware of what they entail and why you are unable to compile any sort of half-decent TR from them. They only became a big deal for you and your imagining that I referred to them as your "fantastical trips" or some other nonsense.

 

 

Yes I come to Pattaya three to five times a year. That's right year in and year out. I can at least to afford to make the trip's.

 

Again, I'm well aware that you have been abandoning your family for several months a year for the last decade to pursue Asian hookers. You've told us enough times, but that's your choice.

 

Send your postcard to my favorite guest house if you can afford the postage.

 

Postage? In this day and age?

Edited October 22, 2009 by CheshireTom

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

More trouble! Spring of 2011 anyone ?

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091021-711607.html

 

2nd UPDATE:Boeing Swings To 3Q Loss On Commercial Jet Charges By Ann Keeton

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Hammered by cost overruns on two new commercial airplane programs, Boeing Co. (BA) swung to a third-quarter loss, recording $3.5 billion of previously disclosed charges for the 787 and the 747-8 Freighter.

 

While costly, the 787 program is still on track to make money, unlike the 747-8 program, which Boeing said recently has moved to an overall "forward loss position."

 

Jim McNerney, chairman and chief executive, said Wednesday during a conference call that Boeing will decide in the next two weeks where to locate a second production line for the 787, either in Everett, Washington, with existing facilities, or in Charleston, South Carolina, where 787 parts are made. McNerney said any geographical inefficiencies with the Charleston location could be more than overcome by its lack of union workers, who "strike every three or four years." But he said talks are ongoing as to which location will be chosen.

McNerney said the two troubled aircraft programs, the 787 Dreamliner, and 747-8 Freighter, remain on track to make their first deliveries to customers at the end of 2010.

 

 

Boeing continues to evaluate the need to cut commercial aircraft production, but has no plans to cut 737 production rates, the executive said. Earlier this year, Boeing cut back on plans for the 777, on lower demand from airlines.

 

Boeing Capital Corp., which helped customers finance aircraft during this year's credit crunch, will provide $800 million of financing in 2009, less than the $1 billion earlier expected, as the capital markets have begun to open up, McNerney said.

 

The company on Wednesday slashed its 2009 earnings view to $1.35 to $1.55 a share, from $4.70 to $5.00 a share, as defense work, which accounts for nearly half of revenue, failed to make up for commercial airplanes losses.

 

 

McNerney said Boeing will keep looking closely at its defense strategy, but expects to maintain double-digit percentage operating margins across the unit. Boeing will offer forecasts for 2010 at the beginning of next year.

 

Boeing said Wednesday that the Dreamliner is still on track for first flight by year's end, and first delivery in the last quarter of 2010.

 

But analyst Heidi Wood at Morgan Stanley cut her rating on Boeing shares to underweight from equalweight Tuesday, worried that complex design modifications could delay the first delivery of the aircraft into spring of 2011, triggering more late fees to be paid to airline customers.

 

Despite some speculation that Boeing could shut the 747-8, which has been slow to attract customers, McNerney said the company looks forward to getting the plane in the air soon.

 

Boeing posted a third-quarter loss of $1.56 billion, or $2.23 a share, compared with a year-earlier profit of $695 million, or 96 cents a share. Charges, mainly from the jet programs, were $3.59 a share in the most recent period. Revenue rose 9% to $16.69 billion as a strike last year hurt the top line.

 

A survey of analysts by Thomson Reuters predicted a $2.12 loss on $17.18 billion in revenue.

 

 

-By Ann Keeton, Dow Jones Newswires; 312-750-4120; ann .keeton@dowjones.com

 

(Joan Solsman contributed to this article.)

Edited October 22, 2009 by wacmedia

[TheFiend 1,181]

Cancellations of the Nightmareliner now stand at 83......... That's nearly 10% of the orders that were placed!!!!

[Hub 203]

tommie knew about my cruises for years and it didn't bother him until I offered proof. Then all of a sudden it became a big deal for him. So lame tommie. Yes I come to Pattaya three to five times a year. That's right year in and year out. I can at least to afford to make the trip's. Send your postcard to my favorite guest house if you can afford the postage.

 

And stay in hostels like the skyslop, chase balloons and buffet lines to stretch your meal budget, and beat the bush for your 1,000-baht price point.

 

Not a way I would want to live.

 

I've seen where Tom stays and had several meals with him over the last 6-8 years. There's never been a free buffet or a place lower than a 4* hotel in the lot. His view of "roughing it" is negotiating a LT rate at the Nirvanna Place in Jomtien or a high-rise serviced apartment in Bangkok. He also doesn't have fly anywhere, he lives in Thailand at a high standard, many years and at a younger age when you "claimed" you were going to do it. Oh, I forgot, it's the political instability.

[Samsonite 181]

Cancellations of the Nightmareliner now stand at 83......... That's nearly 10% of the orders that were placed!!!!

At one time they had just over 900 orders, so by your figures they have still sold over 800. Of the 200 or so firm orders for the Flying Citroen (A380) about the same percentage have been canceled. Don't recall your exclamation on that news? :)

[TheFiend 1,181]

At one time they had just over 900 orders, so by your figures they have still sold over 800. Of the 200 or so firm orders for the Flying Citroen (A380) about the same percentage have been canceled. Don't recall your exclamation on that news? :)

 

Fedex is the only A380 customer to have actually canceled the A380, with other customers opting to defer delivery instead of canceling. It is only the A380F that has suffered cancelations, and 7 A380F were changed to the Passenger variant.

 

Airbus has a net orders this year of 123 (up to end of September) compared to Boeings net figure of 74 (up to 20th October).

 

Incidentally Citroen have won the World Rally Championship Manufacturers title 5 times, so they can't be that bad of a manufacturer...... Ford have only won that title 3 times.

Edited October 24, 2009 by TheFiend

[MrMango 667]

At one time they had just over 900 orders, so by your figures they have still sold over 800.

They have not sold 1 787, period.

 

All the bookings are just that - Bookings.

 

You sell something when you deliver something...

[CheshireTom 1,377]

They have not sold 1 787, period.

 

All the bookings are just that - Bookings.

 

You sell something when you deliver something...

 

You tell them, Mango!

[wacmedia 277]

Incidentally Citroen have won the World Rally Championship Manufacturers title 5 times, so they can't be that bad of a manufacturer...... Ford have only won that title 3 times.

 

Hi,

 

Renault haven't a bad record in F1 either. They won the last one in Brazil as well as supplying the winning engine at least 8 times and 6 times in a row at one stage in the constructers championship. Those French ain't bad engineers.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Hi,

 

Renault haven't a bad record in F1 either. They won the last one in Brazil as well as supplying the winning engine at least 8 times and 6 times in a row at one stage in the constructers championship. Those French ain't bad engineers.

 

Think the same can be said for most Europeans engineers.

 

And if you consider that Fords global motorsport involvement actually is the European operation, then it sort of puts the American achievements on the global stage into perspective.......

[BigDUSA 71]

Think the same can be said for most Europeans engineers.

 

And if you consider that Fords global motorsport involvement actually is the European operation, then it sort of puts the American achievements on the global stage into perspective.......

 

Getting back to Airbus380 didn't the French and German engineer shops have a major problem talking to each other? Plus their computers used different software?

[TheFiend 1,181]

Getting back to Airbus380 didn't the French and German engineer shops have a major problem talking to each other? Plus their computers used different software?

 

Yes they did, but they overcame that problem.

[BigDUSA 71]

Yes they did, but they overcame that problem.

 

How long did it take to overcome the problem and at what cost?