Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

Don't say we didn't tell you.

 

15 July 2010 Last updated at 18:12

 

Boeing 787 Dreamliner delivery could be delayed again

 

Boeing has cautioned that the delivery of its new 787 Dreamliner could slip into next year, rather than the end of this year, as planned.

 

The company told the BBC it still plans to deliver the aircraft this year, but this "could flip into next year".

 

Japan's All Nippon Airways will take the first delivery of a Dreamliner aircraft.

 

The project has already been delayed for more than two years, following a series of hitches.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

With reason if you followed the story.

 

Yes, it wasn't made by a US company. (apparently)

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Hi,

 

Don't say we didn't tell you.

 

Well, at least with BigD banished to the virtual sensory deprivation suite, we won't have another "Boeing on Schedule to ....." thread to contend with.

 

What was that quote again? "On time and to budget"?

[MrMango 672]

Hi,

 

The only reason seemed to be they were European. Even if their partners were American and the work was going to be done there. Independent analysis suggest the European plane is vastly superior.

Wrong.

 

As I remember, they were non responsive to the RFP.

[eltib 54]

Well, at least with BigD banished to the virtual sensory deprivation suite, we won't have another "Boeing on Schedule to ....." thread to contend with.

 

What was that quote again? "On time and to budget"?

 

 

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. He started a topic in the "silly topics section." Looks like like no one is paying any attention though.

 

http://www.pattayatalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=49671

[Samsonite 181]

...Boeing 787 Dreamliner delivery could be delayed again

The key words here are "could be," as in, "might" or "maybe."

 

As to the tanker, the Air Force outlined what they wanted and requested bids. Boeing submitted their bid tailored to meet the Air Force's stated requirements. Somewhere during the time their original request was made and the deadline, the Air Force changed their requirements in favor of the Northrup/Airbus proposed tanker. Boeing filed a complaint with the G.A.O. (general accounting office) which is, in theory, at least, a non-political entity. They reviewed the facts and determined the Air Force violated the bidding procedures on eight different issues, IIRC.

Personally, I don't think the U.S. should be buying anything pertaining to the military or national security from another country, especially the French, if it is at all possible to make the needed item in the U.S.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Samsonite

[MrMango 672]

I don't think the U.S. should be buying anything pertaining to the military or national security from another country, especially the French, if it is at all possible to make the needed item in the U.S.

I disagree. I want the Government to buy the best product at the lowest price, just as I do.

 

Do you really think that a Boeing product has all American parts?

 

Do you really think that a Airbust product has all European parts?

[Gary 4,125]

The facts are that Boeing and Air Bus both have their fingers up their asses and spend more time bickering than building aircraft. The future demand for new planes seems to be beyond the capacity of both companies together.

 

I think the future demand will be for more economical smaller lighter and faster planes rather than for huge expensive monsters. Smaller planes, more destinations with smaller airports seems to make sense, at least to me.

 

From the Bangkok Post;

 

Airlines will need 30,900 new jets worth 3.6 trillion dollars (2.8 trillion euros) by 2029 to meet an increase in global air traffic demand being led by Asia, US planemaker Boeing forecast on Thursday.

 

"We see a total demand of 30,900 aircraft valued at 3.6 trillion dollars" by 2029, Boeing marketing chief Randy Tinseth told reporters in London as he delivered Boeing's latest 20-year market outlook.

 

"The largest market in 2009 is for travel within North America followed closely by the Asia Pacific region," said Tinseth, marketing head of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

 

"If we look forward 20 years from now based on our growth rates, clearly the landscape of aviation will change ... The Asia Pacific market will clearly be the largest market in the world followed by traffic within North America, then Europe."

[wacmedia 277]

The future demand for new planes seems to be beyond the capacity of both companies together.

 

I think the future demand will be for more economical smaller lighter and faster planes rather than for huge expensive monsters. Smaller planes, more destinations with smaller airports seems to make sense, at least to me.

Hi,

 

This is where these guys come in.

 

BUSINESS JULY 16, 2010 Challenger to Boeing and Airbus Seeks Bragging Rights at Air Show

 

BY CAROLINE VAN HASSELT AND PHRED DVORAK

 

Canada's Bombardier Inc., long known as a maker of small planes for short hauls, will soon face a key test as it takes on Boeing Co. and Airbus in the market for midsized jets.

 

Bombardier is expected to announce as early as Sunday, before next week's Farnborough International Air Show in England, additional orders for its coming CSeries jet. The plane can seat up to 150 passengers and make international flights, pitting Bombardier for the first time against the Boeing-Airbus duopoly that dominates the commercial-airplane business.

[Samsonite 181]

This is where these guys come in.

 

BUSINESS JULY 16, 2010 Challenger to Boeing and Airbus Seeks Bragging Rights at Air Show ...

Which is good. The more competition the better.

[picoman 1]

Embraer in Brazil makes a nice plane, flown them on Air Canada:

 

Edited July 17, 2010 by picoman

[MrMango 672]

Embraer in Brazil makes a nice plane, flown them on Air Canada:

 

Are you sure that the picture is a Embraer? I did not think that they had a flying 100 seat bird.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Are you sure that the picture is a Embraer? I did not think that they had a flying 100 seat bird.

 

It's an E190.

[MrMango 672]

It's an E190.

Interesting. I remember reading that they were going to design a larger bird, but I did not kn ow that they were actually shipping them

[sabang 0]

^ They were probably behind schedule too.

[bigdelta 46]

Slow down,Airbust clowns:

AIRSHOW-Boeing reaffirms latest 787 guidance

England, July 17 (Reuters) - Boeing (BA.N) said its chief executive had not altered the latest delivery guidance on the 787 Dreamliner after a newspaper said he had expressed confidence in delivering the plane by end-year, as planned. Boeing last week said deliveries could slip into 2011 but that no decision had been taken. [iD:nN15224632] In a summary of an interview given to European Sunday newspapers by Boeing CEO Jim McNerney, released on Saturday, Germany's Welt am Sonntagsaid: "The Boeing chief was also confident that the first Dreamliner 787 can be, as announced, delivered by the end of 2010."

 

A Boeing spokesman clarified that McNerney had stuck to the same script on deliveries as the 787 general manager last week.

 

"Mr Mcnerney made clear that the intention remains to deliver the first 787 before the end of the year, but he said that the flight test programme is tight and that it is possible delivery could slip by a few weeks into January," Boeing spokesman Charlie Miller said on Saturday.

 

"This is exactly what the head of the programme (Scott Fancher) said last Thursday," he added.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Slow down,Airbust clowns blah, blah, blah ....

 

What post, if any, are you referring to? Or are you just typing out loud?

Edited July 17, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

What post, if any, are you referring to? Or are you just typing out loud?

My post is in response to post #1926 on Jul 15 at the TOP OF THIS PAGE! I thought you actually read a thread prior to responding.Guess not.

Typing out loud huh? LOL!

Edited July 17, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

My post is in response to post #1926 on Jul 15

 

You just repeated the contents of post 1926.

 

 

 

at the TOP OF THIS PAGE!

 

At the top of YOUR page, not mine. Different board settings and a different browser to you.

 

I thought you actually read a thread prior to responding.Guess not.

 

Rather than just thinking it, perhaps you should have actually done it.

Edited July 17, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom (AFP) – Boeing's 787 Dreamliner jet, whose delivery to clients faces fresh delay, landed in Britain on Sunday after its first flight outside of the US ahead of the Farnborough International Airshow.

 

The test plane landed at Farnborough airport at 9:08am (0808 GMT), watched by journalists from around the world, ahead of the major week-long trade show that begins on Monday, where aircraft makers are hoping to secure major orders.

 

"It's such a nice plane," Mike Bryan, the pilot who flew the Dreamliner to Britain from the United States told reporters after landing.

 

"I can't find a pilot who doesn't love it. I'm privileged enough to fly it."

 

Last week, US aircraft maker Boeing said it may be forced to delay the delivery of its first fuel-efficient Dreamliner to 2011 from late this year -- a date that was already more than two years behind schedule. It has secured 860 orders so far.

 

Last month, Boeing said it had detected a "workmanship issue" with the horizontal stabiliser of the aircraft, whose innovative structure and manufacture across more than 100 sites has created many technical problems.

 

The company is hanging its future hopes on the mid-sized plane -- Boeing's first new model in more than a decade -- which draws on huge advances in aviation technology and is capable of flying long-haul routes with up to 20 percent less fuel.

 

The fuel efficiency is largely down to the fact that up to half the twin-aisle Dreamliner is made of lightweight composite materials, such as carbon fibre-reinforced resin, according to the company.

 

Boeing launched the programme in April 2004 and initially had planned to deliver the first plane to Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways in the first half of 2008 -- a deadline which may now be pushed back until the start of 2011. The plane can seat up to 330 passengers.

 

Boeing's fierce European rival Airbus is meanwhile working on a new long-haul plane of its own -- the A350 XWB (Extra Wide Body). Another big project for Airbus is its long-delayed A400M military transport plane.

 

The head of Airbus parent company EADS, Louis Gallois, said on Sunday that he expected contracts with clients for the A400M to be signed in the European autumn later this year.

 

"I expect it will be at fall," Louis Gallois told reporters.

 

The client countries for the Airbus transporter are France, Germany, Spain, Britain, Belgium, Luxembourg and Turkey.

 

The seven states, after tense negotiations in the face of production difficulties with the A400M, reached an agreement in March with EADS on sharing out 5.2 billion euros (6.4 billion dollars) in cost over-runs.

 

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company plans to deliver the first A400M to France in early 2013.

 

Gallois meanwhile added on Sunday that he expected the military plane market to face a tough few years as governments look to slash their defence spending in a bid to reduce massive state deficits.

 

"We think that we have ahead of us three or four years that will be difficult," said Gallois.

 

On the civilian side, any new orders for aircraft at Farnborough -- one of aerospace's biggest events -- are likely to be dominated by airlines from emerging economies across Asia and the Middle East where air traffic is growing rapidly.

 

Boeing and Airbus meanwhile head to the show facing increased competition for their mid-sized civilian jets from smaller manufacturers, such as Brazil's Embraer and Bombardier of Canada.

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[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

I wonder did anyone actually see this plane flying in? It is not flying during the show.

Edited July 19, 2010 by wacmedia

[MrMango 672]

Hi,

 

I wonder did anyone actually see this plane flying in? It is not flying during the show.

Well I don't think that they trucked it in..

[wacmedia 277]

Well I don't think that they trucked it in..

 

Hi,

 

Well it has a reputation as a light plastic Airfix kind of plane. Why not "truck"it in?Why ain't it flying at the show ?

[MrMango 672]

Hi,

 

Well it has a reputation as a light plastic Airfix kind of plane. Why not "truck"it in?Why ain't it flying at the show ?

Well one reason might be is that it is not yet certified.

[Samsonite 181]

I wonder did anyone actually see this plane flying in?

Here you go: It made a fly-by, circled the field, and landed. The roll out was only about 2,000! Amazing for a plane

that size, even if there were only 12 people on board.

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightbl...down-at-fa.html

 

So far, 40 B737-800NG, 42 B777-300ER, and 54 A320 orders have been announced at the show.