Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[bigdelta 46]

Hi,

 

Dammit man. More military no competition business.

Too bad AirSubsidy doesn't make something military worth buying-or do they?

Quick Google Tom,jump in!

[bigdelta 46]

UPDATE 1-Boeing takes orders for two 777s from FedEx

Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:32pm EDT

* FedEx orders two 777s valued at more than $500 mln

 

* Boeing takes order for one 737, loses three 737 orders

 

* Shares up 0.4 pct.

 

CHICAGO, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Boeing Co (BA.N) said on Thursday it took orders for two wide-body 777s valued at more than $500 million from FedEx (FDX.N) in the week that ended Tuesday.

 

The second-largest plane-maker after Airbus (EAD.PA) also said it took an order for one narrow-body 737 from an unidentified customer. Boeing said, however, it lost orders for three 737s in the latest week, bringing the net total of 737 orders to 248 for the year.

 

Boeing also identified Air China (601111.SS) as the customer behind an order for four 777s previously listed as unidentified.

 

Boeing has a net total of 288 orders on its books for 2010 so far, compared with 263 in all of 2009.

 

 

FLY Leasing to Acquire Three New Boeing 737- 800s and Sells Three Older Aircraft

 

Press Release Source: FLY Leasing Limited On Thursday September 30, 2010, 8:30 am EDT

DUBLIN, Sept. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- FLY Leasing Limited (NYSE:FLY - News) ("FLY"), a global lessor of modern commercial jet aircraft, today announced that it has entered into an agreement to acquire three new Boeing 737-800 Next Generation aircraft in a sale and leaseback transaction with flydubai, Dubai's premier low cost airline. The aircraft are scheduled to be delivered new from Boeing in October and December 2010 and in February 2011.

 

FLY also announced that it has sold three older aircraft from its portfolio to two separate purchasers: an A320-200 manufactured in 1995 and two B737-800s manufactured in 2006. The aircraft are currently on lease to three separate airlines.

 

"The acquisition of the three new B737-800s and the sale of three older aircraft fits perfectly with our strategy of managing FLY's portfolio by selectively acquiring more modern and high-demand aircraft and opportunistically selling aircraft from our portfolio," said Colm Barrington, CEO of FLY. "The sale of the three aircraft will generate cash and positive net income for FLY and the new aircraft, which will be acquired with our free cash and new bank debt, will reduce the average age of our portfolio. We are particularly pleased to add flydubai, a successful and fast-growing airline, to our diverse family of global lessees."

 

The purchases and sales of the six aircraft were arranged by FLY's associate and servicing company BBAM LP. Following completion of the transactions, FLY will have a portfolio of 62 aircraft on lease to 33 airlines in 22 countries.

 

The B737-800 is the largest member of the Boeing 737 family and is one of the world's most popular and reliable commercial jets, and is a mainstay of the aircraft operating leasing business. The B737-800 seats between 162-189 passengers, depending on its configuration.

 

flydubai was established by the Government of Dubai in 2008 and began commercial flights in 2009. flydubai currently has a fleet of nine Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft operating to 22 destinations.

 

 

 

China Southern unit buys 10 Boeing planes for $699 mln

 

HONG KONG, Sept 30 | Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:14am EDT

 

HONG KONG, Sept 30 (Reuters) - China Southern Airlines (1055.HK) (600029.SS) said on Thursday that its 60-percent-owned unit Xiamen Airlines has agreed to buy 10 Boeing (BA.N) aircraft for about $699 million.

 

The acquisition would be funded partly by the internal resources of Xiamen Airlines and partly through loans by commercial banks, China Southern said in a statement to the Hong Kong stock exchange.

 

 

ANA to Change Part of Its Boeing 787-8 Orders to the 787-9 Model

 

Press Release Source: All Nippon Airways On Thursday September 30, 2010, 4:27 am EDT

TOKYO--(Marketwire - 09/30/10) - At the meeting of the Board of Directors today, ANA has decided to change 15 of its current orders for the Boeing 787-8 aircraft to the 787-9 model. ANA currently has a total of 55 orders for the Dreamliner.

 

The 787-9 aircraft is an extended body version of the 787-8 model, appropriate for short, mid-haul and long-haul international routes. The model will also meet the increasing need for 400 seat-capacity aircraft for domestic routes, and will further improve the flexibility of our fleet and network planning. Furthermore, like the 787-8 model, it is a highly fuel efficient aircraft which will enable ANA to reduce operating costs and carbon dioxide emission.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The second-largest plane-maker after Airbus (EAD.PA) ...

 

You can delete the shit and just leave the relevant info you know ...

 

Anyway, it's nice to see that our resident check-in agent recognises a good thing and continues to promote the international services of Cebu Pacific and AirAsia's all-Airbus fleets.

Edited September 30, 2010 by CheshireTom

[jacko 8,778]

Too bad AirSubsidy doesn't make something military worth buying-or do they?

Quick Google Tom,jump in!

Well they do but the Americans renaged on the purchase.

You liked our jump jets and couldn't match our Concorde!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Well they do but the Americans renaged on the purchase.

You liked our jump jets and couldn't match our Concorde!

 

Apparently subsidies are something that are only paid in Euros.

 

 

Obama's message to private sector: you have lift-off

By Stephen Foley in New York

Friday, 1 October 2010

 

 

The US has agreed a $1.61bn down-payment on the development of a private-sector space programme, as part of a revamp of Nasa designed to outsource much of the day-to-day business of travel to the stars.

 

After months of wrangling, Congress has approved a $58.4bn three-year budget plan for the US space agency, which will funnel huge subsidies to a host of private companies engaged in a 21st-century space race – to make profits beyond the Earth's atmosphere.

[bigdelta 46]

Well they do but the Americans renaged on the purchase.

You liked our jump jets and couldn't match our Concorde!

I flew the Concorde once-nice mini windows and DC-9 sized cabin.BTW,aren't they on static display someplace?But a bargain at $600 nonetheless.

 

You can delete the shit and just leave the relevant info you know ...

 

Anyway, it's nice to see that our resident check-in agent recognises a good thing and continues to promote the international services of Cebu Pacific and AirAsia's all-Airbus fleets.

Please Tommy,you condescending prick,regale us once again with your service to His/Her Majesty's service in MI 6 or whatever as a Double Nought spy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5aNn4Sfmas

Edited October 1, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Please Tommy,you condescending prick,regale us once again with your service to His/Her Majesty's service in MI 6 or whatever as a Double Nought spy.

 

Once again? Anyway, it's Double-Oh, not Double-Nought - you need to pay more attention at the movies. Did you know that Sean Connery played for my local footie team?

[TheFiend 1,181]

I flew the Concorde once-nice mini windows and DC-9 sized cabin.BTW,aren't they on static display someplace?But a bargain at $600 nonetheless.

 

All the British Airways Concordes are preserved.

 

Of the Air France Concordes,, all but two of them have been preserved.

 

F-BTSC was destroyed in the Paris air crash)

 

F-BVFD was stripped for spares in 1982 and scrapped in 1994

 

There is even plans to to restore one of the Concordes to flying condition with the goal of flying for the opening ceremony of the 2012 London Olympics.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

There is even plans to to restore one of the Concordes to flying condition with the goal of flying for the opening ceremony of the 2012 London Olympics.

 

Pretty much on par with the Dreamliner then.

[MrMango 665]

I flew the Concorde once-nice mini windows and DC-9 sized cabin.BTW,aren't they on static display someplace?But a bargain at $600 nonetheless.

$600??

 

I spent $2500 as I remember from JFK to Paris.

[bigdelta 46]

$600??

 

I spent $2500 as I remember from JFK to Paris.

It was a rate offered to airline employees between IAD & LHR.

[jacko 8,778]

It was a rate offered to airline employees between IAD & LHR.

Neither popular airports with me, but I envy the experience.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Oops! Another "on time and to spec" moment ...

 

 

Boeing Delays 747-8 Another Six Months to Mid 2011

By Susanna Ray - Sep 30, 2010 10:52 PM GMT+0700

 

Boeing Co. extended a yearlong delivery delay for its newest 747 jet by six months as engineers redesign some parts and said it will add a fifth plane to the test fleet to speed up the work.

 

The postponement to mid-2011 shouldn’t have a material impact on Boeing’s 2010 earnings, the Chicago-based company said in a statement today. Boeing has taken $2.04 billion in charges amid three prior delays that had pushed back the latest delivery date of the freighter version -- due before the passenger model -- to the end of this year.

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

More expansion for Airbus in a growing market.

 

Boom time about to take off with Airbus in Bangalore

 

By Amy Wilson

Published: 7:00PM BST 03 Oct 2010

One factory, however, was carrying on regardless. At Dynamatics, a Bangalore-based supplier to Airbus, workers continued making a crucial wing part for the manufacturing giant's A320 aircraft.

 

At first glance, this is a business which lives up to the outsourcing stereotype – the part being made here was previously built by BAE Systems in Samlesbury, Lancashire.

 

But since July the "wing track flap beams" have been made by Dynamatics at a brand-new facility in the Indian city. BAE announced last month that it was shedding 149 jobs at the Lancashire site.

 

Dynamatics, run by Bangalore entrepreneur Toby Malhoutra, has 110 people making the parts in India. But Bangalore doesn't have the monopoly. One of the most complex pieces of the wing flap track beam is still manufactured in Britain. Malhoutra bought Bristol-based Oldland Aerospace because "we could machine it cheaper in the UK than we could here".

 

"Not everything can be made cheaper in China and India," he says. "The complexity of the machining required for this part needs very specialised equipment."

 

The cost of capital to buy the equipment was 2pc in the UK, compared with 12pc in India, and as the process is largely automated, there was little saving on labour. There are about 50 staff at the site in Bristol, but Malhoutra says it is "bursting at the seams" and he hopes to increase the workforce to up to 150 people, as Dynamatics is bidding for more work from Airbus.

 

"Every time Airbus gives us an order, we create work in the UK too," Malhoutra says with a smile. He is very keen to correct the impression that work goes to Asia purely because it is cheaper, and that the shift is always negative for workers in Britain and the rest of the developed world.

 

"Globalisation is not one-way," he insists, during a visit to the company's five-acre Bangalore site, which has expanded from what he calls "a shed" in 1995. It is certainly a force Malhoutra has harnessed with great success. The company with a $116m (£73m) turnover will move to a 35-acre site beside Bangalore's airport in the coming years, so that it is easier to deliver the large aircraft parts it hopes to win orders for.

 

Malhoutra also believes Dynamatics offered more than just a cheaper place for the wing parts to be manufactured. "It's not just making a cheaper plane, it's a better plane," he says.

 

Airbus has opened its own engineering centre in Bangalore, which it hopes to double in size to 400 staff by 2013. Skills in computer simulation, modelling and design and a large pool of engineering graduates – 350,000 each year – are key drivers. India's engineers are a resource the company will increasingly draw on because of a shortfall of qualified candidates in Britain, France and Germany, chief executive Tom Enders has said.

 

"IT, simulations, technical publication: all these are things which India is particularly good at," Mr Enders said during a visit to the Bangalore site last week. "In terms of the work we sub-contract, there's a lot more to come."

 

It is certainly cheaper for the company to employ engineering graduates in India and the plane maker has also taken advantage of lower-cost labour in manufacturing. Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), India's state-owned defence and aerospace company, has been making doors for Airbus's best-selling A320 family of planes since the mid 1990s.

 

Manufacturing parts of the structure has been the kind of work traditionally done for Airbus by its external suppliers, and in China the company has opened a final assembly line to supply the 3,000 planes it estimates that market will require over the next 20 years.

 

In India, however, HAL and Dynamatics are likely to remain in the minority as parts suppliers. It is the engineering and technology base which is the main draw for Airbus. There are no plans to open a final assembly line, despite the fact India is expected to be the second-largest market for new planes after China.

 

With India's economy growing at 8.8pc in the second quarter, a rate the British government would give its right arm for, it might come as a surprise to learn that many commentators in the country lament the fact the booming economy is reliant on providing services rather than "making things" for its growth.

 

It is the same argument being made in the UK, where the fragility of such an economy has been shown up compared to exporters such as Germany, now well into a strong recovery. Apart from anything else, as Malhoutra of Dynamatics points out, manufacturing work brings in poorer, less qualified workers from the countryside and provides them with a relatively good income, while IT draws on graduates from India's more privileged classes.

 

But if Airbus is representative, it is technological know-how and engineering brain power that remain India's main attraction, and these look like exerting an increasing influence on what is designed and made in Europe.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbys...us-in-Bangalore.

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Boeing, Air Lease Corporation Finalize Order for Up to 60 Next-Generation 737s

Press Release Source: Boeing On Monday October 4, 2010, 11:57 am EDT

SEATTLE, Oct. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) and new leasing company Air Lease Corporation (ALC) have finalized an order for up to 60 Next-Generation 737-800s.

 

The order, first announced at the Farnborough Airshow in July, is for deliveries through 2017. In addition to 54 firm orders the deal includes six additional airplanes to be reconfirmed.

 

"Our management team has been working closely with Boeing for more than 30 years," said Steven F. Udvar-Hazy, chairman and CEO of Air Lease Corporation. "This order for Next-Generation 737-800s continues that great tradition. With this large and long-term commitment we'll be able to offer our clients a most economical, fuel-efficient and versatile airplane, suitable for a variety of profitable missions."

 

"The Next-Generation 737 is one of the world's best-selling airplanes for a number of very good reasons," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Airlines and lessors remain confident in the airplane's ability to deliver outstanding, dependable operational and financial performance across the widest range of missions. We look forward to providing that continued value to Air Lease Corporation and its clients and to a long and successful continued partnership with Steven Udvar-Hazy and his new leasing company."

 

You may (or may not) have heard of Steven Udvar-Hazy.

Probably not.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

You may (or may not) have heard of Steven Udvar-Hazy.

Probably not.

 

Who does he play for?

 

How many times has he been mentioned in this thread alone?

[bigdelta 46]

Who does he play for?

 

How many times has he been mentioned in this thread alone?

INDEED!

You and the rest of you Europal,AirSubsidy pumpers had no clue prior to this thread,but I digress.........

 

Sixth Boeing 787 Makes First Flight, Testing Program Making Good Progress

 

EVERETT, Wash., Oct. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- The final Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) 787 Dreamliner to join the flight test fleet made its first flight today from Paine Field in Everett, Wash. The airplane, ZA006, is the second 787 equipped with General Electric GEnx engines to fly.

 

Captains Christine Walsh and Bill Roberson were at the controls during the 1 hour and 4 minute flight. The airplane landed at Boeing Field at 12:45 p.m. (Pacific time).

 

"It's great to have our last flight test airplane join the fleet," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "We have been focused on completing the testing required for certification of the 787 with Rolls-Royce engines, because that is the first model we deliver. A great deal of the testing that we've done also applies to the 787s with GE engines and won't need to be repeated," said Fancher.

 

There is, however, a smaller portion of testing that is unique to the engine/airframe combination. In general, this portion includes noise testing, extreme weather operations, function and reliability, and extended operations. In addition, testing to verify the airplane handles the same regardless of engine type and that the systems work on both models is required.

 

Some additional flight tests will be performed on one of the production airplanes, the ninth 787 to be built, but it is not considered a full-time member of the flight test fleet.

 

787 Testing Progress Report

 

In addition to achieving first flight of ZA006, the Boeing test team has completed a number of flight test milestones in recent weeks.

 

Boeing wrapped up a series of natural and artificial icing tests, meeting all requirements with no changes required. Pilots reported that the airplane continues to handle well even in the presence of ice.

 

Flight loads survey testing, which demonstrates the pressure distribution on the airplane structure throughout the phases of flight in a variety of configurations, also has been completed. The team conducted this testing on ZA004 primarily at the airport at Victorville, Calif. Analysis of this testing continues.

 

A dramatic series of tests that stress the airplane's brakes, called maximum brake energy testing, was completed in late September at Edwards Air Force Base, also in California. ZA001 conducted this testing as well as a series of extreme takeoff and landing conditions including minimum takeoff speed testing. Earlier in the month, ZA001 completed wet runway testing at Roswell, NM.

 

ZA003 flew to Glasgow, Mont., to complete community noise testing. All results were within expectations.

 

As a result of these tests and others, all takeoff performance and handling characteristics testing is complete for the initial version of the 787. Additional testing will be required for 787s equipped with GE engines.

 

The 787 flight test program has logged more than 1,900 hours over 620 flights and completed more than 65 percent of the flight test conditions for 787s with Rolls-Royce engines.

 

Equally important to the testing required in the air is the ground testing required to certify a new airplane. Boeing has completed well over 4,000 hours of ground testing on the same airplanes that are in the flight test program.

 

In addition, fatigue testing has started at a test rig in Everett. Fifteen flights have been simulated. Federal regulations require Boeing to conduct twice as many flight cycles as any airplane in revenue service. Boeing plans to have completed 10,000 flight cycles prior to first delivery.

 

"We continue to be extremely satisfied with the performance of the 787 in its testing operations," said Fancher. "This airplane handles wonderfully and will be a valuable tool for our customers."

[CheshireTom 1,377]

INDEED!

You and the rest of you Europal,AirSubsidy pumpers had no clue prior to this thread,but I digress.........

 

I thought you were an Eyetie.

 

 

 

 

Don't take this the wrong way but I get the distinct impression you're a few baguettes short of a pique-nique..

[bigdelta 46]

I thought you were an Eyetie.

 

 

 

 

Don't take this the wrong way but I get the distinct impression you're a few baguettes short of a pique-nique..

Thanks for proving you had absolutely no clue who he was prior to this thread or any other thread or Google search.

 

I thought you were an Eyetie.

 

 

 

 

Don't take this the wrong way but I get the distinct impression you're a few baguettes short of a pique-nique..

Thanks for proving you had absolutely no clue who he was prior to this thread or Google search.

 

And w/o a search,what are his other contributions/links to aviation?Or museums?I know,you're clueless but won't admit it.

Edited October 5, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Thanks for proving you had absolutely no clue who he was prior to this thread or any other thread or Google search.

 

 

Thanks for proving you had absolutely no clue who he was prior to this thread or Google search.

 

Make up your mind! You haven't got the hang of this posting lark, have you.

 

And w/o a search,what are his other contributions/links to aviation?Or museums?I know,you're clueless but won't admit it.

 

He played centre back for Airbus Broughton?

[TheFiend 1,181]

Make up your mind! You haven't got the hang of this posting lark, have you.

 

Tom - he does seem a bit slow un the uptake!!!! Doesn't he???

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Tom - he does seem a bit slow un the uptake!!!! Doesn't he???

 

An angry, old man for sure. I'd be staying well clear of 2nd Rd if he ever announces that he's going to try out Tiffany's Shooting Range.

 

I loved the original headline though ...

 

Sixth Boeing 787 Makes First Flight, Testing Program Making Good Progress

 

I think that even Scally would have baulked at describing something that is over two years late as "making good progress". 10/10 for optimism though.

Edited October 6, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

An angry, old man for sure. I'd be staying well clear of 2nd Rd if he ever announces that he's going to try out Tiffany's Shooting Range.

 

I loved the original headline though ...

 

Sixth Boeing 787 Makes First Flight, Testing Program Making Good Progress

 

I think that even Scally would have baulked at describing something that is over two years late as "making good progress". 10/10 for optimism though.

Believe me,I'd only need one shot.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Believe me,I'd only need one shot.

 

Fuck off! You'd shoot yourself in the foot. Again!

 

Anyway, it's nice to see that EADS A330 tanker is now fully certified. That should make the choice of tanker for the USAF a whole lot easier.

 

A330 tanker gains military certification

By Craig Hoyle

 

 

Airbus Military will deliver its first A330 multi-role tanker transport to the Royal Australian Air Force "in the coming weeks", following its receipt of military certification for the type from Spain's INTA body.

Received on 5 October, the certification "covers the design and operation of all the military systems added to the aircraft in addition to the basic civil design", Airbus says. This includes its aerial refuelling boom system and Cobham 905E underwing hose and drogue refuelling pods.

Edited October 6, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

Prior to yet another search in '08,you were clueless.As you still may be refarding him,but to cover up yet another error,you have done exhaustive searches to bring your lack of knowledge up to par.

Almost forgot,the RAAF or whatever the call themselves will be order just how many of those gas stations?2-3 maybe.