Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[BigDUSA 71]

The Trent engine isn't a disaster...... it is not the only engine to have suffered failures...

 

So many problems with the Trent series of Rolls Royce engines. So few in service and yes it's a potential disaster.

[TheFiend 1,181]

So many problems with the Trent series of Rolls Royce engines. So few in service and yes it's a potential disaster.

 

Wrong.... there are quite a number of Trent engines in service, having been available since the mid 90's on the A330, A340 and also the 777.

[jacko 8,813]

So many problems with the Trent series of Rolls Royce engines. So few in service and yes it's a potential disaster.

Well Boeing seem to be going with the Trent 1000 on the Dreamliner.

 

A better indicator might be the number removed from service.

[MrMango 667]

The Trent engine isn't a disaster...... it is not the only engine to have suffered failures...

A typical response from a supporter in denial - Blame bad design on other peoples bad designs also.

[TheFiend 1,181]

A typical response from a supporter in denial - Blame bad design on other peoples bad designs also.

 

In denial...... NOT!!! I've never claimed that the Trent engine hasn't suffered from faults or failures but all you Boeing fan-boys fail to acknowledge the failures of GE, P&W and EA engines....

 

Want to talk about bad design and construction.... On my last trip I flew of 4 out of the 7 Etihad 777-300ERs in service and they all suffered from badly fitted interior panels where the shape of the panels failed to match the shape of the cabin.

Edited June 10, 2011 by TheFiend

[Samsonite 181]

Wrong.... there are quite a number of Trent engines in service, having been available since the mid 90's on the A330, A340 and also the 777.

The Trent 8xx series was an option for the 777-200, -200ER and -300, but the GE engine is the only powerplant available for the 777-300ER, -200LR and 200F.

Edited June 10, 2011 by Samsonite

[Samsonite 181]

...Want to talk about bad design and construction.... On my last trip I flew of 4 out of the 7 Etihad 777-300ERs in service and they all suffered from badly fitted interior panels where the shape of the panels failed to match the shape of the cabin.

Since Etihad oldest -300ER is only 5 years old I would have to see it to believe it. It has a lot to do with how well an airline maintains their aircraft. There was an... I think it was a Brazilian airline that trashed their aircraft so badly that that no one would buy them when the company folded and the aircraft were finally parted out.

Edited June 13, 2011 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

Since Etihad oldest -300ER is only 5 years old I would have to see it to believe it. It has a lot to do with how well an airline maintains their aircraft. There was an... I think was Brazilian, airline that trashed their aircraft so badly that that no one would buy them when the company folded and the aircraft were parted out.

 

So your blaming poor panel fit on the maintenance providers.... suprise, suprise!!!

 

One of the ones I flew on was A6-ETF, only delivered 18 months ago. It exhibited the same ill fitting panels as the others I flew on ETB,ETD and ETE. The panels were not the same shape as the roof profile, hence the poor panel fit. It was nothing to do with been badly fitted by a maintenance fitter.

[Samsonite 181]

So your blaming poor panel fit on the maintenance providers.... suprise, suprise!!!

 

One of the ones I flew on was A6-ETF, only delivered 18 months ago. It exhibited the same ill fitting panels as the others I flew on ETB,ETD and ETE. The panels were not the same shape as the roof profile, hence the poor panel fit. It was nothing to do with been badly fitted by a maintenance fitter.

As I said, I would have to see it to believe it.

Boeing doesn't always do the interiors. Some airlines do their own. Some farm it out to a third party. Even if it is done by Boeing it is done to the buyer's specifications.

Here is a video of that particular aircraft:

Edited June 13, 2011 by Samsonite

[BigDUSA 71]

Wrong.... there are quite a number of Trent engines in service, having been available since the mid 90's on the A330, A340 and also the 777.

 

So few Rolls Royce Trent engines used on the A380 and so many problems.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Here is a video of that particular aircraft:

 

And taking off from Manchester... Etihad has 777-300ERs flying the Manchester route, but since Emirates went 3x daily the load factors on the Etihad flights have dropped dramatically so they would be better off using A330's again on that route. On my recent trip both the flight out and the flight in were less than 50% full.

[Samsonite 181]

And taking off from Manchester... Etihad has 777-300ERs flying the Manchester route, but since Emirates went 3x daily the load factors on the Etihad flights have dropped dramatically so they would be better off using A330's again on that route. On my recent trip both the flight out and the flight in were less than 50% full.

Not surprising. Cannibalizing other airlines' traffic is the only way Emirates will be able to fill all the aircraft they have on order. Canada and Germany have taken steps to stop them and other countries will, most likely, follow suit.

 

"Yours, ‘Til US Transcon Routes Are Routed Through Dubai," see: http://www.richardaboulafia.com/shownote.asp?id=318

Edited June 13, 2011 by Samsonite

[BigDUSA 71]

Boeing 787 Dreamliner launch customer All Nippon Airways Wednesday announced the schedule for 787 service validation flights.

 

The flights, set for the week of July 4, will simulate service from Tokyo Haneda Airport to Osaka, Okayama and Hiroshima using Boeing’s second flight-test 787, which bears ANA’s livery. Boeing plans to deliver the first 787 to ANA in August or September.

 

ANA plans to update its special 787 website with information and images.

 

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[joekicker 53]

If it isn't one company, it's another, eh?

 

Airbus has announced delays for two of its A350 wide-body models and said it will jointly develop with Rolls-Royce the biggest version of the aircraft with a more powerful engine....

 

it now expects to deliver the A350-1000 — the largest of the three models, which will have 350 seats — in mid-2017 rather than 2015.

 

The A350-1000 is meant to compete against Boeing Co.’s /quotes/zigman/220026/quotes/nls/ba BA +0.20% 777-300ER, which entered service in May 2004 and carries 365 passengers.

[bigdelta 46]

Boeing hits back at Airbus over A350 plan

 

On Sunday June 19, 2011, 5:57 am EDT

 

By Kyle Peterson

 

LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) dismissed a challenge by Airbus (Paris:EAD.PA - News) to its largest twinjet aircraft on Sunday after the European jetmaker delayed the launch of the A350-1000 to develop a bigger engine.

 

Airbus announced the 18-month delay on the eve of the Paris Air Show, saying it would gain advantage in a battle for wide-body market share between the 365-seat Boeing 777-300ER and the future 350-seat A350-1000, now due in 2017.

 

A senior Boeing executive shrugged off the threat to the long-range 777-300ER, which will be displayed at the show.

 

"We've always seen that plane as a little bit of a struggle," said Randy Tinseth, vice president of marketing at Boeing's commercial division.

 

"The only change here is it's a little bit later," he said.

 

The A350 is being developed in three models of which the A350-1000 is the largest.

 

Tinseth was quick to point out strong demand for the 777-300ER. Boeing has 225 unfilled orders for the plane, according to its web site. Total sales exceed 500 planes.

 

In a direct stab at Airbus's design plans for the $12 billion project, Tinseth said Boeing believes the combination of wing and engine on the European plane is wrong.

 

Airbus is insisting that after a series of relaunches the A350 will offer what its customers want and that its lightweight materials will help it outperform the older and heavier 777.

 

Airbus sales chief John Leahy said top airlines had asked the European company to increase the range and payload of the A350-1000 which will now be able to tackle to emerging new routes like Paris to Santiago or Shanghai to Boston.

 

"I think most of the world's airlines will be delighted with this airplane," Leahy said.

[bigdelta 46]

Airbus Paris jinx grounds planes

 

On Sunday June 19, 2011, 11:12 pm

 

By Tim Hepher

 

LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Airbus faced the unexpected and daunting task on Monday of delivering a marketing blow to rival Boeing and maintaining momentum for a revamped jet with its two flagship planes grounded at the Paris Air Show.

 

The European planemaker has targeted an order surge worth tens of billions of dollars, but was left reeling as the world's largest aviation event was jinxed by a series of mishaps including a taxiway collision involving the A380 superjumbo.

 

The right-hand wing-tip of a test plane for the world's largest jetliner, with a wingspan of almost 80 meters (yards), scraped a building at Le Bourget airport on Sunday and was withdrawn from the air show's traditional flying displays.

 

A second aircraft, the delayed European A400M airlifter, was also withdrawn from air display after a gearbox problem but will be allowed to perform in a flypast when French President Nicolas Sarkozy inaugurates the biennial event on Monday.

 

The A380 collision caused dismay hours after the arrival of its new rival -- Boeing's elongated 747-8 superjumbo which is showing its distinctive silhouette abroad for the first time.

 

The latest version of the legendary 747 jumbo touched down in orange and red "sunrise" livery symbolizing the importance of Asia, whose economic growth is set to dominate aviation in coming years starting with this week's air show.

 

Industry sources expect some sales of both the A380 and 747-8 during the June 20-26 event but the main joust for market share concerns narrow-body, medium-haul 150-seat planes.

 

The air show could bring two record deals on successive days as Airbus tries to woo buyers for a revamped A320neo with more efficient engines, saving airlines 15 percent in fuel costs.

 

"We clearly believe in the business case and the orders you are going to see at the show are going to be astounding," said David Hess, chief executive of engine maker Pratt & Whitney.

 

Buyers are already camped out in Paris hotels to negotiate the final details of major deals but are aware that Airbus has staked a lot on winning a slew of orders for the A320neo at the Paris show, and some are said to be digging in their heels.

 

A $16 billion provisional deal from IndiGo to buy 180 A320neo passenger jets, first announced in January, was mired in further negotiations that could spill beyond the air show.

 

The deal if finalized would set a record for the number of planes in one transaction. But sources say if all goes to plan it is set to be eclipsed by a 200-plane order being fine-tuned between Airbus and Malaysia's AirAsia.

 

BOEING 777 FOR QATAR

 

Demand for aircraft is on a sharp rebound driven by demand from Asia's rapidly growing airports and the Middle East.

 

"Those two markets will enjoy at least one-third if not more of the demand increase for global air traffic in the next decade," said Philip Toy, a managing director at Alix Partners.

 

The Airbus A320neo has also benefited from airline concerns about fuel costs. Boeing said on Sunday it would decide by end-year whether to upgrade its 737 with new engines from about 2016, as Airbus has done, or build an all-new jet in 2019.

 

"They will sell hundreds but it is hard to tell what is gross and what is net, what is a conversion from an earlier order. There are myriad complications," said Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said of the A320neo.

 

Orders are likely to include a confirmation of an $8 billion 100-plane order from leasing giant ILFC and another plane order for both Airbus and Boeing planes another big lessor, GECAS.

 

But it could be Boeing that grabs attention on day one of the show with a sale of 777 wide-body airplanes to Qatar Airways -- a reminder that the two planemakers are battling for market share on a second front after Airbus revamped its A350.

 

Russia and China will flex their muscles as potential rivals to Airbus and Boeing, especially during a Tuesday visit by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and some analysts expect surprise sales. But Western planemakers say it will be some time before newcomers mount a serious challenge in civil aerospace.

[wacmedia 277]

 

Russia and China will flex their muscles as potential rivals to Airbus and Boeing, especially during a Tuesday visit by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and some analysts expect surprise sales. But Western planemakers say it will be some time before newcomers mount a serious challenge in civil aerospace.

 

Hi,

 

This is the future challenge I'd say.

[Samsonite 181]

"By Jon Ostrower on June 20, 2011 1:53 PM

 

PARIS -- In the last 60 minutes, order activity at the show has exploded:

Boeing earned a $5.4 billion order for 17 747-8Is from two unidentified customers, split 15 and two. This is the largest order at the show so far and the biggest for the program since Lufthansa launched the type in December 2006.

 

CSeries received an order from an identified customer for 10 CS100 plus six options from a "major network carrier" that will serve as launch customer and take delivery of the first production aircraft;

 

UPDATE: SAS has ordered 30 A320neos with options for 11 more.

 

UPDATE 2: Steven Udvar-Hazy's Air Lease Corp has ordered its first widebody aircraft with five 777-300ER and four 787-9s, along with up to 24 737-800s.

 

GE Capital Aviation Services ordered 60 A320neo aircraft with CFM Leap engines, as well as 15 ATR-72-600.

 

Earlier in the morning, Embraer grew its E-190 backlog by 30 with an order from Indonesia's Sriwijaya Air;

 

Qatar Airways announced it was the customer for six previously unidentified 777-300ER aircraft."

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2011/06/order-activity-spikes-at-paris.html

[joekicker 53]

"By Jon Ostrower on June 20, 2011 1:53 PM

 

PARIS -- In the last 60 minutes, order activity at the show has exploded:

Boeing earned a $5.4 billion order for 17 747-8Is from two unidentified customers, split 15 and two. This is the largest order at the show so far and the biggest for the program since Lufthansa launched the type in December 2006.

 

Word around here, via Bloomberg, is that Air Asia is going to bust the show open in a day or two:

 

AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA) said it’s close to concluding an order for as many as 200 Airbus SAS A320neo planes, worth $18 billion at list prices, that could be a record commercial-aircraft deal.

 

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[Samsonite 181]

Word around here, via Bloomberg, is that Air Asia is going to bust the show open in a day or two:

 

AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA) said it’s close to concluding an order for as many as 200 Airbus SAS A320neo planes, worth $18 billion at list prices, that could be a record commercial-aircraft deal.

That's the rumor and it will probably happen. Many think airbust will get 70% of the orders at the show. They deferred as many order announcements as they can until each yearly show.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Many think airbust will get 70% of the orders at the show. They deferred as many order announcements as they can until each yearly show.

 

Do they? So why were orders getting announced in the weeks leading up to Paris? What about the recent Thai Airways and Cebu orders?

[Samsonite 181]

Do they? So why were orders getting announced in the weeks leading up to Paris? What about the recent Thai Airways and Cebu orders?

Yes they do! Year after year. If you are half as knowledgeable about the industry as you think you are you would know that is their

standard operating procedure.

If it is announced before a show it is probably because that is the way the customer wanted it and airbust couldn't convince them otherwise.

 

Boeing leaves it entirely up to the customer as to when and where to make the announcement and often you hear it from the customer before Boeing acknowledges the order.

Edited June 21, 2011 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

Yes they do! Year after year. If you are half as knowledgeable about the industry as you think you are you would know that is their

standard operating procedure.

If it is announced before a show it is probably because that is the way the customer wanted it and airbust couldn't convince them otherwise.

 

Boeing leaves it entirely up to the customer as to when and where to make the announcement and often you hear it from the customer before Boeing acknowledges the order.

 

I don't claim to be knowledgeable about the industry, I just have an interest in air travel.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Airbus Paris jinx grounds planes

 

On Sunday June 19, 2011, 11:12 pm

 

By Tim Hepher

 

LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Airbus faced the unexpected and daunting task on Monday of delivering a marketing blow to rival Boeing and maintaining momentum for a revamped jet with its two flagship planes grounded at the Paris Air Show.

 

The European planemaker has targeted an order surge worth tens of billions of dollars, but was left reeling as the world's largest aviation event was jinxed by a series of mishaps including a taxiway collision involving the A380 superjumbo.

 

The right-hand wing-tip of a test plane for the world's largest jetliner, with a wingspan of almost 80 meters (yards), scraped a building at Le Bourget airport on Sunday and was withdrawn from the air show's traditional flying displays.

 

 

Nice to see the Korean Air A380 being used for flying displays!

[bigdelta 46]

Out of necessity!

 

Nice to see the Korean Air A380 being used for flying displays!