Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[eltib 54]

Hi,

 

Especially if you are an American car company.

 

With a former Boeing exec behind the helm.

 

Biography

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

Especially if you are an American car company.

 

With a former Boeing exec behind the helm.

 

Biography

 

Hi,

 

Frightening stuff.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Ah, well! Scally's predictions have come up trumps again!

 

 

CheshireTom Sep 17 2008, 10:55 PM

Post #966

 

Elite Poster

 

QUOTE(Scalawag @ Sep 17 2008, 10:34 PM)

 

Not going to happen.

Qantas will get theirs on Friday and one more maybe delivered by the end of the year, but that's it. Eight for the year. Actually, only 8 in the 14 months since the first delivery.

 

We'll file that under Scally's Greatest Predictions ........... along with the others.

 

 

 

Airbus meets A380 target

 

PARIS (AP) — European plane maker Airbus said Tuesday it has met its target of delivering 12 A380 superjumbos this year — with just 2 days to spare.

In a bid to reassure customers, CEO Tom Enders had wagered reporters a magnum of Champagne during a September news conference that Airbus would reach its A380 target this year. No one accepted his bet.

On Tuesday, in a statement, Enders announced, "we have met our 2008 delivery schedule." He thanked "a tremendous team effort."

Image-tarnishing delays, technical problems and missteps dating back to 2005 slowed the plane's development.

The final A380 delivered this year was handed over Tuesday to Dubai's Emirates airline, which has a total of 4 superjumbos.

Singapore Airlines took an additional 5 A380s this year. Australia's Qantas received 3.

[TheFiend 1,179]

Ah, well! Scally's predictions have come up trumps again!

 

Scallywally's predictions are on a par with BigD's

 

Last week watched Emirates A6-EDB taking off from Dubai, looked impressive

Edited January 5, 2009 by TheFiend

[wacmedia 277]

Lat week watched Emirates A6-EDB taking off from Dubai, looked impressive

 

 

Hi,

 

Qantas are advertsing the A380 on the London Sydney route starting mid Jan on TV. Nice to see the planes are taking over from the 747.

[TheFiend 1,179]

Planning a trip to New Zealand and Australia with my daughter this year. On the outbound leg we will get to travel on a A380 Dubai to Sydney/Auckland.....

 

The trip will be Manchester to Auckland with a 10 day stopover in Sydney outbound ( so we can visit relatives in Australia), 10 days in Auckland to visit more relatives, and then fly back via Bangkok with a 10 day stopover in Thailand. And we can do it all on one ticket with Emirates.

 

Now this is a trip I am really looking forward to!

Edited January 5, 2009 by TheFiend

[spacebass 0]

There still there with the underlying fact that after all these years in business Airbus still needs 'launch aid'. In other words Airbus can't cut the financial mustard.

 

 

Maybe 'launch aid' is a more intelligent idea than 'bankruptcy aid'.

 

Bankruptcy actually means 'cannot cut the financial mustard'.

[MrMango 661]

Maybe 'launch aid' is a more intelligent idea than 'bankruptcy aid'.

 

Bankruptcy actually means 'cannot cut the financial mustard'.

Funny how you libs get creative with words - BOTH means that they cannot cut the mustard on their own, and need government help

 

Maybe 'launch aid' is a more intelligent idea than 'bankruptcy aid'.

 

Bankruptcy actually means 'cannot cut the financial mustard'.

Funny how you libs get creative with words - BOTH means that they cannot cut the mustard on their own, and need government help

[wacmedia 277]

Funny how you libs get creative with words - BOTH means that they cannot cut the mustard on their own, and need government help

 

Hi,

 

In a perfect world that would be the case but... expect Obama to put lots of money into various industries.

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

Boeings strike and the downturn has allowed Airbus to outproduce/sell in the last year.

 

Boeing orders plummet by 53%

 

By Kevin Done and Hal Weitzman

 

Published: January 8 2009 19:23 | Last updated: January 8 2009 19:23

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a7e302a0-ddb5-11...0077b07658.html

 

Boeing commercial aircraft orders more than halved last year, as demand from airlines plunged from the record levels reached in the three previous years.

Deliveries also dropped sharply as the leading US exporter was hit by an eight-week strike by its assembly workers during the autumn, allowing Airbus, the rival European aircraft maker, to re-establish its leadership of the global commercial aerospace industry.

 

Airbus, part of EADS, the leading European aerospace and defence group, will announce its full-year numbers next week, but already by the end of November it had surpassed both the orders and delivery totals reached by Boeing for the full year.

 

The US group, led by Jim McNerney, chief executive, has suffered a year of serious setbacks in its commercial aircraft operations, as the long period of industrial strife added to the embarrassing and increasingly costly delays in two of its flagship new aircraft development programmes.

 

Boeing said its net new commercial aircraft orders had fallen by 53 per cent last year to 662, from the record 1,413 achieved in 2007. Boeing had previously achieved three record years with net new orders of 1,044 in 2006 and 1,002 in 2005.

 

It said the 2008 orders total was the eighth highest in its history, but demand from airlines around the world is falling fast amid the deepening recession and the credit crunch, and orders are expected to plunge again this year.

 

Boeing said its deliveries had fallen by 15 per cent last year from 441 to 375. Airbus has previously forecast its deliveries would exceed 470 in 2008, a new peak and up from 453 in 2007.

 

Boeing was forced to announce last month the fourth set of delays for its 787 Dreamliner long-haul jet, postponing initial deliveries to the first quarter of 2010, a delay of nearly two years.

 

Beset by parts shortages, design problems and incomplete work by its suppliers, the 787 was originally planned to arrive in service in May last year.

 

Boeing has delayed the first test flight, originally due in the late of summer of 2007 to the second quarter this year. Virgin Atlantic, the UK long-haul carrier controlled by Sir Richard Branson, said it had been informed by Boeing its first 787 deliveries would be about 2½ years late and were due in the third quarter of 2013 instead of March/April 2011.

 

Like many other carriers hit by the 787 development problems, Virgin Atlantic said it was in talks with Boeing, Airbus and aircraft lessors about interim solutions and alternative orders to allow it further capacity growth in the next few years.

 

Boeing’s development of the 747-8, a stretched version of its venerable 747 jumbo, has also been delayed by over-stretched engineering resources, supply chain problems and design changes with first delivery of the freighter version recently put back by almost a year from late 2009 to the third quarter of 2010.

 

www.ft.com/lex

[Samsonite 177]

ABOUT F****** TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflas...+temp_top+story

 

"...Boeing (BA), beset by repeated snarls that have delayed commercial deliveries of its 787 Dreamliner into early 2010, is rethinking the global outsourcing model that critics say has caused much of the nearly two-year holdup. The company is making plans to bring more work back in-house.

 

Frustrated by production and design snafus that Boeing engineers say have led the company repeatedly to send staffers out to suppliers to iron out difficulties, the company's top executives are suggesting they will rely less on their outside suppliers. While the forthcoming version of the Dreamliner, the 787-8, may be affected by the plans over time, efforts to scale back on outsourcing are expected to be more aggressive on future versions of the plane, especially the 787-9, scheduled for delivery in 2012...."

 

The complete story can be found at the link above.

[TheFiend 1,179]

Same as always, Boeing trying to blame their problems on anybody but themselves.

 

They decided to the outsourcing route....... it's their fault it hasn't paid off.

[friendlyric6411 0]

Just shows you the strenth of the Airbus after the one that ditched in the Hudson. We all agree the pilot was good, So now Airbus is to start building boats.

[Samsonite 177]

...We all agree the pilot was good...

What made all the difference in the world, in my opinion, is he is also a glider pilot and an older pilot with real flying experience. I doubt, unfortunately, a younger pilot whose only experience is flying these "modern flying computers" could have done as well. Fly-by-wire has taken a great deal of "joy" out of flying and today's airline pilot is more of a computer systems administrator that a pilot.

Edited January 18, 2009 by Scalawag

[eltib 54]

ABOUT F****** TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflas...+temp_top+story

 

"...Boeing (BA), beset by repeated snarls that have delayed commercial deliveries of its 787 Dreamliner into early 2010, is rethinking the global outsourcing model that critics say has caused much of the nearly two-year holdup. The company is making plans to bring more work back in-house.

 

Frustrated by production and design snafus that Boeing engineers say have led the company repeatedly to send staffers out to suppliers to iron out difficulties, the company's top executives are suggesting they will rely less on their outside suppliers. While the forthcoming version of the Dreamliner, the 787-8, may be affected by the plans over time, efforts to scale back on outsourcing are expected to be more aggressive on future versions of the plane, especially the 787-9, scheduled for delivery in 2012...."

 

The complete story can be found at the link above.

 

 

Goes to show you the McD plan would never work. I heard that my old job which was outsourced will now be insourced back into Boeing. But I'm not moving to Washington state to go to work, if they even offered. I like working for the government better.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Goes to show you the McD plan would never work. I heard that my old job which was outsourced will now be insourced back into Boeing. But I'm not moving to Washington state to go to work, if they even offered. I like working for the government better.

 

And that's exactly the problem they'll face. Where exactly are they going to find all these aero engineers etc to bring thework in-house. They are struggling to cover the existing programmes as it is.

[Samsonite 177]

Same as always, Boeing trying to blame their problems on anybody but themselves.

 

They decided to the outsourcing route....... it's their fault it hasn't paid off.

Had you read the article you would have seen that Boeing, in a round about way, acknowledged the mistake.

 

Now for a little from the other side of the Atlantic where they do things, oh, so well....

 

"ANALYSIS: Where next for the Airbus Military A400M?"

 

By Niall O'Keeffe

 

After maintaining an optimistic front throughout last year, EADS has finally conceded that the problems facing Europe's Airbus Military A400M programme are of a scale equal to the giant transport, and called on its partner nations to negotiate a new contract to complete development and production of the type.

 

Lead stakeholder EADS on 9 January announced that it was seeking "a new approach" for the troubled A400M project, after its plans to fly the first production aircraft from mid-2008 failed to become reality. EADS chief executive Louis Gallois says this is intended to reflect "the military nature of the programme" and the risk involved, but any change to the current €20 billion ($26.6 billion) A400M deal will be the subject of intensive and difficult negotiations between industry, the programme's seven launch nations and Europe's OCCAR procurement agency over the coming months.

 

The new EADS proposal hinges on resuming production activities only after flight-testing of the A400M has reached "adequate maturity", with an expectation that deliveries will begin "around three years after first flight". It also calls for changes to undisclosed "technical characteristics" of the airlifter.......

.........

"ANGRY RESPONSE

 

UK defence secretary John Hutton says the UK "cannot accept a three- or four-year delay" in the delivery of its 25 A400Ms, and attributes the delay to "problems that EADS is having in producing the aircraft, not because of any policy decision made by the UK government or any other partner nations involved. We, along with all our partner nations, will have to consider very carefully what the right response to the problem is."

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/...tary-a400m.html

[spacebass 0]

Boeing direct Subsidy :

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busi...syndication=rss

[Hub 203]

I'm not giving up and bought another 25 shares today. I still think the stock will roll up to 100 when the economy comes back and the dreamliner finally gets built.

[Samsonite 177]

Boeing direct Subsidy :

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busi...syndication=rss

You might want to read that again. The article is taking about bank loans to airlines that want to buy new aircraft.

[wacmedia 277]

I'm not giving up and bought another 25 shares today. I still think the stock will roll up to 100 when the economy comes back and the dreamliner finally gets built.

 

Hi,

 

It's a tough call on all these shares, good luck to anyone who makes money.

[Samsonite 177]

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?i...e=1%2F27%2F2009

 

"Tuesday January 27, 2009

 

France's government is set to lend French banks €5 billion ($6.49 billion) with the understanding that the funds will be used to finance aircraft purchases, a measure aimed at preventing airlines from cancelling orders with Airbus, according to widespread reports in Europe. The government apparently is seeking a way to assist Airbus without directly subsidizing the manufacturer, which has warned that 2009 will be "a very challenging year" (ATWOnline, Jan. 16). "The French state is not giving money to Airbus," Trade Minister Anne-Marie Idrac told Reuters yesterday. "It's not a subsidy, which would distort competition. It's a question of fluidity in the financing of Airbus clients where it is needed."

 

Airbus said it welcomed "the strong initiative of the French government to try to secure our deliveries, which are at risk due to the credit crunch." CEO Tom Enders recently warned that the company fears this year it will produce "white tails"--aircraft that cannot be delivered owing to a lack of financing. Details of the French plan were not revealed and no official announcement has been made. It is reported that the money will go primarily to banks that have a history of financing aircraft transactions."

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

Tough times for everybody.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/country_profiles/default.stm

 

Boeing plans to cut 10,000 jobs

 

Boeing lost out to rival Airbus in global plane deliveries in 2008

 

Boeing says it will cut 10,000 jobs this year, about 6% of its total workforce, in response to the global economic crisis.

 

That includes the 4,500 job cuts announced by the commercial aircraft division earlier this month.

 

Boeing made a loss in the final three months of 2008 after a strike by workers disrupted aircraft deliveries.

 

The aerospace firm made a loss of $56m (£39m) in the quarter, compared with a profit of $1.03bn a year ago.

 

The loss was caused by a 58-day strike by Boeing's machinists' union and charges related to delays on its redesigned 747 freighter aircraft.

 

The strike by assembly workers prevented delivery of about 70 Boeing planes. We must prepare the company, including being more aggressive in terms of productivity

 

Jim McNerney, chief executive, Boeing

 

Boeing has been losing ground to rival European planemaker Airbus, which delivered and received more orders for planes than Boeing last year.

 

Airlines are expected to cut spending on new jets as the economic downturn hits demand for air travel.

 

"The global economy continues to weaken, and it's affecting air traffic and financing," said Jim McNerney, Boeing chief executive.

 

"We must prepare the company, including being more aggressive in terms of productivity."

 

He said the 10,000 cuts would be made "through attrition, retirement and layoffs".

 

Boeing employs about 600 people in the UK. The company has not revealed where the cuts will be made.

Edited January 29, 2009 by wacmedia

[wacmedia 277]

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is expected to make its first flight in August of 2007 with delivery starting in 2008.

 

Hi,

 

Jezz, how wrong can a man be ?

Edited February 14, 2009 by wacmedia

[eltib 54]

Oh dear - it's not just rumours anymore........ Boeing has admitted that 737s have recently been built and delivered with substandard "nutplates".

 

Looks as though Boeing is having a lot of trouble with quality control during assembly. And it's not just 1 or 2 parts, it is a large numbers of installed fasteners and installed nutplates. These things should have been picked up during assembly not later on.

 

Wonder if an investigation of today's crash of a Turkish airlines 737-800, will yield that as a contributing factor?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_...nds_plane_crash

Edited February 25, 2009 by eltib