Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[Samsonite 181]

The A380 first flight wasn't two years late...

I didn't say it was, but it was delivered almost two years late.

[Samsonite 181]

That would not surprise me. With a light fuel load and no passengers, it would be very light. I am sure that they would not want to rotate much later, in case of breaking problems, etc.

Well, I'm not sure about the taxi tests and first flight, but usually the cabin is loaded with engineers, their work stations, and all the related testing equipment. If that isn't enough they position water barrels as if they were seats with passengers to bring up the weight. I do believe they do the aborted takeoff test at the maximum takeoff weight.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Samsonite

[MrMango 667]

Well, I'm not sure about the taxi tests and first flight, but usually the cabin is loaded with engineers, their work stations, and all the related testing equipment. If that isn't enough they position water barrels as if they were seats with passengers to bring up the weight. I do believe they do the aborted takeoff test at the maximum takeoff weight.

I am sure that that would be the case in the final taxi/rotation tests.

[eltib 54]

Well, I'm not sure about the taxi tests and first flight, but usually the cabin is loaded with engineers, their work stations, and all the related testing equipment. If that isn't enough they position water barrels as if they were seats with passengers to bring up the weight. I do believe they do the aborted takeoff test at the maximum takeoff weight.

 

The actual certification flight testing they will do what you are implying. The flight today won't have it though.

[MrMango 667]

The actual certification flight testing they will do what you are implying. The flight today won't have it though.

It is my understanding, that taxi tests include rotation under full load (without liftoff)

[torrenova 644]

Well, it is up in the air as I write, wheels still down but flying.

[jacko 8,813]

Video.....jeez dem wings bend.....

[Samsonite 181]

Boeing 787 Dreamliner Completes First Flight

All-new Boeing Airplane Touches Down Safely After 3-Hour Mission

 

 

SEATTLE, Dec. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing (NYSE: BA) 787 Dreamliner took to the sky for the first time today, ushering a new era in air travel as it departed before an estimated crowd of more than 12,000 employees and guests from Paine Field in Everett, Wash. The flight marks the beginning of a flight test program that will see six airplanes flying nearly around the clock and around the globe, with the airplane's first delivery scheduled for fourth quarter 2010.

 

The newest member of the Boeing family of commercial jetliners took off from Paine Field in Everett, Wash. at 10:27 a.m. local time. After approximately three hours, it landed at 1:33 p.m. at Seattle's Boeing Field.

 

787 Chief Pilot Mike Carriker and Capt. Randy Neville tested some of the airplane's systems and structures, as on-board equipment recorded and transmitted real-time data to a flight-test team at Boeing Field.

 

After takeoff from Everett, the airplane followed a route over the east end of the Strait of Juan de Fuca. Capts. Carriker and Neville took the airplane to an altitude of 15,000 feet (4,572 meters) and an air speed of 180 knots, or about 207 miles (333 kilometers) per hour, customary on a first flight.

 

"Today is truly a proud and historic day for the global team who has worked tirelessly to design and build the 787 Dreamliner - the first all-new jet airplane of the 21st century," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "We look forward to the upcoming flight test program and soon bringing groundbreaking levels of efficiency, technology and passenger comfort to airlines and the flying public."

 

Powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines, the first Boeing 787 will be joined in the flight test program in the coming weeks and months by five other 787s, including two that will be powered by General Electric GEnx engines.

 

The 787 Dreamliner will offer passengers a better flying experience and provide airline operators greater efficiency to better serve the point-to-point routes and additional frequencies passengers prefer. The technologically-advanced 787 will use 20 percent less fuel than today's airplanes of comparable size, provide airlines with up to 45 percent more cargo revenue capacity and present passengers with innovations that include a new interior environment with cleaner air, larger windows, more stowage space, improved lighting and other passenger-preferred conveniences.

 

Fifty-five customers around the world have ordered 840 787s, making the 787 Dreamliner the fastest-selling new commercial jetliner in history.

 

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http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=997

Edited December 16, 2009 by Samsonite

[joekicker 53]

Boeing has completed the maiden flight of its flagship 787 Dreamliner, the world's first majority composite jetliner.

 

ah ah ah ah oooh aaahhh I'm ooo ah...

 

Whew. That was great. I've got to have a cigarette.

 

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[eltib 54]

At least it will answer the question ..... "What will come first, the Dreamliner's first flight or BigD's big move?"

 

BigDs' move... NOT!!!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I didn't say it was, but it was delivered almost two years late.

 

Well, the 787 is going to make that look quite impressive, isn't it.

[Samsonite 181]

Well, the 787 is going to make that look quite impressive, isn't it.

And in the two years, plus, since the first a380 was turned over to Singapore Air, how many have been delivered? Very impressive.

[Samsonite 181]

Well, it is up in the air as I write, wheels still down but flying.

Why didn't Mike Carriker raise the 787's landing gear?

By Jon Ostrower on December 16, 2009 3:34 PM

 

This question seems to be popping up all over and I thought it was best to try and explain why the 787's landing gear wasn't retracted immediately after takeoff.

 

During first flights, landing gear is rarely retracted until well into the flight when it is established that everything is safe and stable on the aircraft. In case of an emergency it's one less item to worry about and and second, it creates an entirely new problem if the gear does not come back down again. The landing gear can be dropped with the help of gravity as a backup of need be, but ultimately leaving the gear down provides an additional margin of safety for the crew.

 

That being said, the 787's landing gear was cycled once during the flight by Carriker and Neville, which they reported was successful.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/

[CheshireTom 1,377]

And in the two years, plus, since the first a380 was turned over to Singapore Air, how many have been delivered?

 

Whatever the number is, it's more than its direct competitor in the passenger market , the 747-400 and Intercontinental.

[Samsonite 181]

Whatever the number is, it's more than its direct competitor in the passenger market , the 747-400 and Intercontinental.

In the first two years following the start of 747-400 deliveries, 109 were delivered to 19 different airlines. A total of 694 Boeing 747-400s, all types, were built and delivered.

 

In the first two years after the start of deliveries of the very first 747, in December 1969, 195 Boeing 747-100s and 747-200s were delivered to 28 different airlines.

 

Over the life of the 747 program there have been 1,523 orders and, to date, 1418 deliveries.

The next generationi 747, the 747-8 will take its first flight by the second or third week of next month, January 2010.

 

And once again, how many a380 flying citroens were delivered in the first two years? A grand total of 20.

Edited December 17, 2009 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

In the first two years following the start of 747-400 deliveries, 109 were delivered to 19 different airlines. A total of 694 Boeing 747-400s, all types, were built and delivered.

 

In the first two years after the start of deliveries of the very first 747, in December 1969, 195 Boeing 747-100s and 747-200s were delivered to 28 different airlines.

 

Over the life of the 747 program there have been 1,523 orders and, to date, 1418 deliveries.

 

And then the Euros decided they would have a large slice of the pie.

 

 

The next generationi 747, the 747-8 will take its first flight by the second or third week of next month, January 2010.

 

Careful with your predictions, Scally. You know how they have a habit of coming unstuck.

[Samsonite 181]

And then the Euros decided they would have a large slice of the pie.

How do you get up in the morning and look at yourself in the mirror while shaving?

 

Twenty aircraft is hardly a "large slice of the pie." The whole a380 project hasn't made any economical sense whatsoever. It was more out of "national" (European) pride than anything else and a major job works program. Years after the first flight and two years after the first delivery and they still are having trouble keeping the things in the air.

 

SIA A380 returns to Paris after power failure in galley

By Ghim-Lay Yeo

 

A Singapore Airlines (SIA) Airbus A380 had to turn back to Paris on 16 December after the power went out in its galley.

 

While the fault did not pose a safety issue, the Singapore-bound aircraft was turned back to Paris two hours into the flight because food could not be served on board, says an SIA spokesman.

 

The 444 passengers remained on board while engineers tried to fix the problem at Paris Charles de Gaulle airport, he adds.

 

The aircraft was later declared serviceable but by then, the flight and cabin crew had already exceeded their operating hours, says the spokesman.

 

Arrangements were made to accommodate some passengers in hotels, while others left on other airlines.

 

The aircraft will depart Paris today for Singapore at 12:00 GMT, says the spokesman.

 

The incident is the latest in a series of glitches affecting the superjumbo aircraft.

 

On 14 December, an Air France A380 bound for Paris did not take off from New York because of a fuel tank problem.

 

On 27 November, Air France turned back a Paris-bound A380 to New York after a problem with its navigation system.

 

Two months before that, another SIA A380 returned to Paris mid-flight after one of its four engines failed.

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/...-in-galley.html

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The problem this last Monday was first said to be a fuel tank problem, then an engine problem. Who knows? It was being reported that the plane had be be flown back to airbus for repairs on 3 engines and that the Air France pilots were not qualified to do so, so airbus was going to have to fly their own pilots to New York to get the job done.

 

All new aircraft have some "teething" problems, but, really, this late into the service life of the aircraft?! Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited December 17, 2009 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

How do you get up in the morning and look at yourself in the mirror while shaving?

 

Twenty aircraft is hardly a "large slice of the pie."

 

Going from nothing to the world's largest producer of commercial aircraft is nicking an extremely large slice of the pie.

Edited December 17, 2009 by CheshireTom

[TheFiend 1,181]

And once again, how many a380 flying citroens were delivered in the first two years? A grand total of 20.

 

Yet again you have a dig a European engineering and manufacturing.

 

Did you know Citroen were World Rally Champions again this year.... A title they have won 5 times out of the last 7. So their cars can't be that bad!!!

 

Do you go hunting the net looking for every single Airbus mechanical problem? Airbus aren't alone in having problems... So do Boeings.........

 

BOEING 777 jets have been involved in at least 12 serious incidents when electrical systems have overheated, it was revealed yesterday

 

Was on an Emirates 773 bound for BKK and as the pilot taxied out for take-off they found a problem with the aircraft and deemed it unsafe to fly, good thing it happened before we took off!!!

[Samsonite 181]

Yet again you have a dig a European engineering and manufacturing.

Why not? You and your ilk take every opportunity to knock anything and everything American.

 

Did you know Citroen were World Rally Champions again this year.... A title they have won 5 times out of the last 7. So their cars can't be that bad!!!

Do you go hunting the net looking for every single Airbus mechanical problem? Airbus aren't alone in having problems... So do Boeings.........

Was on an Emirates 773 bound for BKK and as the pilot taxied out for take-off they found a problem with the aircraft and deemed it unsafe to fly, good thing it happened before we took off!!!

I call it the "flying citroen" because it reminds me of the old squat, toad ugly, Citroens from the 1960s. One of the ugliest cars ever made and, even IF I liked airbus, I would have to say the a380 is the ugliest jumbo airliner ever made. Well, maybe it is tied with the DC-10.

I've always thought had the a380 been solely a German project it would have been a better built and a better looking aircraft.

 

All aircraft even those well into their service cycle will have an occasional problem, including the 777 which has about a 99% reliability rate. To date 1,116 Boeing 777s have been sold and of those 822 delivered. Out of that 822, most are still in service. With that many in the air you are going to have a problem every now and then.

 

However the number of problems with the airbus 380 are greatly out of proportion to the number in service (20), which is why, as I said in a previous post, airbus refuses to provide any hard data on their reliability, etc. Hopefully they will eventually get all kinks worked out.

Edited December 17, 2009 by Samsonite

[Samsonite 181]

Going from nothing to the world's largest producer of commercial aircraft is nicking an extremely large slice of the pie.

Confused yourself, again, did you? Yes, airbust has become the largest producer of commercial aircraft in recent yeards, but we were talking about the a380 flying citroen, remember? It must be hard for you to keep track of all your smoke and mirrors, and outright lies. You remind me of that old saying about lying; "If you are going to lie, you need a good memory to remember which lies you told to whom."

Edited December 17, 2009 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

However the number of problems with the airbus 380 are greatly out of proportion to the number in service (20), which is why, as I said in a previous post, airbus refuses to provide any hard data on their reliability, etc.

 

Bit of an oxymoron, Scally.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Confused yourself, again, did you? Yes, airbust has become the largest producer of commercial aircraft in recent yeards, but we were talking about the a380 flying citroen, remember? It must be hard for you to keep track of all your smoke and mirrors, and outright lies. You remind me of that old saying about lying; "If you are going to lie, you need a good memory to remember which lies you told to whom."

 

Where's the lie? You confirmed yourself that the statement is 100% accurate.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Why not? You and your ilk take every opportunity to knock anything and everything American.

 

Anything and everything?

 

Let me see..... Boeing and Pontiac Vibes...... yes...... Anything and everything...... not quite!!!

 

I have owned and driven Fords for 30 years.... I don't knock them. Admittedly not quite up to the quality of my Porsche, but I still own a classic Ford. I have also owned a Citroen GS, not a bad car, but it was let down by Citroen using poor alternators.

 

But you seem to take every opportunity to knock anything European.

[Samsonite 181]

But you seem to take every opportunity to knock anything European.

Simply not true. I once lived there for over 2 years and there is a lot about the various countries I liked and admired. OTOH, I could never figure out how Paris could be such a great city when it is full

of Frenchmen.