Discrimination

[joekicker 53]

You said 'visit or live', then it was 'choose to visit'....whatever Joe, bend it, twist it, shake it, only James Bond would know the difference in the Martini. I took a stab at your Nationality, but do not know for certain, just snippets from previous posts pointed me. Where I chose would get you bad mouthed someplaces, you seem to think you might too, so point stands.

 

Uh-huh. Whatever.

 

Readers will eventually judge whether my questions were horrible or your answers were horrible on why you think millions of Muslims willingly visit and pay tens of millions of dollars in a country where the people dislike them so much that you personally have noticed it.

 

Let me be clear. There are places where me and my kind are disliked because of our kind - NOT our passports. Whatever kind you are, the same is true of you and those who are the same race and the same religion/lack of religion. Your race and your religious beliefs make you unpopular in many places.

 

But moving right along. It's interesting you now claim the English-Scots as an analogy. I would not accept that Scottish is a religion (that would be Scotch, surely?). Muslims don't have a race, don't have a country, don't have an origin. You and I, generally speaking, can't tell a Muslim from an aetheist without a programme, and then only if they're in uniform. Like Catholics, say - there are quite a lot in Issan but without their uniforms on, you'd never know them.

 

Muslims share a religious belief only. There are people who really hate them for that. And there are other people, too, who don't. Thais, for example, don't generally dislike people who practice the Islamic faith -- don't generally have any sort of feelings or bad vibes about Muslims at all. They don't even have special words for them like some languages do - the royal language of England uses raghead for example. Thais don't get that.

 

Once again, by use of English-Scots, it sure seems to me that you view Muslims as Arabs/Indians. If not, how could that be relevant? I presume that this is the reason that the court language of England uses "raghead" - because those cloistered folks think all Muslims are Arabs/Indians or "Pakis".

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The Scots visit England a bit too........and vice versa.......

 

We used to come down and steal your sheep, but that's about it! Since we found out how to clone them (the sheep, not The English) we don't really have much reason to visit any more.

[The Jock Bomb 0]

Joe I have to agree with Jacko, you have twisted and bent everything said so far and gone off subject constantly!

 

In the end in response to the OP:

 

YES HE WILL FACE DISCRIMINATION IN CERTAIN BARS IN PATTAYA FOR WHATEVER REASON. End of story. Who gives a fuck why. We have all heard stories why, nobody is wrong.

 

HOWEVER Joe, You have not made one post with a reason as to why they discriminate NOT ONCE, only bullshitted your way through arguing VALID points made by others!

 

If you deny there is no discrimination in Pattaya you my friend, have never been.

 

There is discrimination for whatever reason. Just a bit weird you argue like hell and give fuck all explanation or direct response to the OP, that is commonly known as a TROLL! I can only presume as to why you will not comment on the OP or as to why many thai's do discriminate. Maybe you will do so at some point rather than going on and on about how great you are and how much knowledge you have????

[nidnoyham 30]

We used to come down and steal your sheep, but that's about it! Since we found out how to clone them (the sheep, not The English) we don't really have much reason to visit any more.

 

And if you had enough good looking women, you wouldn't have bothered to come here at all I suppose ?

[joekicker 53]

HOWEVER Joe, You have not made one post with a reason as to why they discriminate NOT ONCE, only bullshitted your way through arguing VALID points made by others!

 

Actually every one of my posts in this thread said pretty clearly my opinion of what is behind the discrimination raised by the OP, although not this one.

 

I have also stated in excruciating detail why the reason for discrimination is NOT religion. Several posters believe the discrimination of the OP rests on religion, and I know it doesn't and that is what I have been discussing. If you believe that's trolling, you must be pretty young in forum years.

 

If you really, really, strongly care about my posts as you seem to, have a read of them in this thread again and I believe you'll see my opinion about what IS behind this specific discrimination.

 

Or, to put it another way: Do you believe the described discrimination had something to do with Islam?

Edited April 2, 2009 by joekicker

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Joe I have to agree with Jacko, you have twisted and bent everything said so far and gone off subject constantly!

 

Jock,

 

It was you who introduced (post 28) the notion that Thais discriminate on the basis of reigion (Islam) into the thread and suggested a reason why (events in the south of Thailand). Some folk disagree with your assessment.

Edited April 2, 2009 by CheshireTom

[The Jock Bomb 0]

Actually every one of my posts in this thread said pretty clearly my opinion of what is behind the discrimination raised by the OP, although not this one.

 

I have also stated in excruciating detail why the reason for discrimination is NOT religion. Several posters believe the discrimination of the OP rests on religion, and I know it doesn't and that is what I have been discussing. If you believe that's trolling, you must be pretty young in forum years.

 

If you really, really, strongly care about my posts as you seem to, have a read of them in this thread again and I believe you'll see my opinion about what IS behind this specific discrimination.

 

Or, to put it another way: Do you believe the described discrimination had something to do with Islam?

 

TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT!

 

OP:

 

I read about discrimination against indians in thai a go gos. I am an Indian american planning to visit pattaya next year. Can anyone guide me if this is a HUGE problem in pattaya or any specific places to avoid?

 

Where does he ask WHY this happens? I suggest YOU read the Op again!

 

Fuck religion, I don't believe in any faith in any case, only causes fucked up threads such as this and arguments about bullshit.

 

NOT ONCE have you responded directly to the OP answering his question directly.

 

A: Yes there are several Thai gogo's and bars that will discriminate against him end of story. As I said you have obviously not spent much time in Pattaya otherwise you would KNOW this and would also know what the Thai's IN PATTAYA say, because what you are trying to FORCE onto everyone is your 'OPINION' based on what you believe.

 

Personally I will accept what I have been told by the Thai's I know, because believe it or not THEY ARE THAI and explain to me WHY there is resentment!

 

There are 3 main reasons and one lessor reason WHY they discriminate against them.

 

Main

 

1. The problems in the past with 1 man bar fining a girl and she is gang raped back in the room

2. The problems with some Indians and arabs going into bars and buying 1 beer and 4 drinking it

3. Uncleanliness

 

Lessor reason:

 

The troubles in the south, but this is still named and I personally understand and accept it.

 

Take it or leave it, I really don't give a flying fuck, I will go by what bar owners and other Thai's have told me and believe them.

 

In the end, WHY is not what the OP asked about only if it happens frequently. It does, too frequently.

 

The biggest offender being Peppermint agogo but there are more than just this gogo as already mentioned by another member on this thread already!

 

I am sure MM could add to this.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

There are 3 main reasons and one lessor reason WHY they discriminate against them.

 

Main

 

1. The problems in the past with 1 man bar fining a girl and she is gang raped back in the room

2. The problems with some Indians and arabs going into bars and buying 1 beer and 4 drinking it

3. Uncleanliness

 

Lessor reason:

 

The troubles in the south, but this is still named and I personally understand and accept it.

 

There you go again, Jock. You are quite specifically stating one of reasons Indians are discriminated against has something to do with events in the south of Thailand.

[The Jock Bomb 0]

Jock,

 

It was you who introduced (post 28) the notion that Thais discriminate on the basis of reigion (Islam) into the thread and suggested a reason why (events in the south of Thailand). Some folk disagree with your assessment.

 

I did purely as background that I have got from bar owners. As I said, I couldn't giving a flying fuck what people agree with or not. I will go by what the Thai's tell me, believe it or not its their country and they know why they do not let certain people into their bars!

 

IT IS NOT MY ASSESSMENT but an assessment ...... no no a belief I was given by locals who reside there.

 

Islam, arab, Indian, muslim ..... does it matter? I OP asked about how frequent it happened, I addressed that and added. Then others disagree ..... 'up to them' BUT AT LEAST RESPOND TO THE OP!

 

I have a feeling too many in here do not frequent Pattaya much! In #28 I clearly state as the main concern the treatment dished out, the south being a second thought. The south is not upper most as a reason, thus it was added after. NOR HAVE I EVER INSISTED IT IS A MAIN REASON!

 

Anybody who tries to deny there is no discrimination DOES NOT go to pattaya or even Thailand for that matter. As for the reasons I have named them, the ones I have been told are the concerns by the owners and BG's.

 

As for Joe's bullshit, HE HAS NOT EVEN ANSWERED THE OP, only spouted a pile of bullshit which is his opinion and belief only, personally I will go with what the Thai's tell me. I will introduce you to a gogo owner and let him explain to you as well?

 

I think it only common decency to answer the OP before launching into a pile of trolling and PC bullshit!

 

I only speak about the Thai opinion. I personally dont give a fuck who discriminates against who. Up to them. I would say grow thicker skin accept it and move on. There are plenty other fine establishments ready to take your cash!

 

Might I suggest those in denial join Pattaya-Addicts? There are 3 or 4 long threads on this very subject. Funnily all agree with what the Thai's tell them. Each to their own. I do not have a personal opinion on the matter, other than what I have been told. I will take on board what has been discussed here and ask a few ............

Edited April 2, 2009 by The Jock Bomb

[whilliam_mancon 2]

We used to come down and steal your sheep, but that's about it! Since we found out how to clone them (the sheep, not The English) we don't really have much reason to visit any more.

 

 

:D

[The Jock Bomb 0]

There you go again, Jock. You are quite specifically stating one of reasons Indians are discriminated against has something to do with events in the south of Thailand.

 

What the fuck is it in here, why do people not read WHAT IS WRITTEN? Shows a great arrogance and lack of education just to twist certain small parts of posts, very childish in fact!

 

GET A LIFE AND TRY SPEAKING TO SOME THAI'S!

Edited April 2, 2009 by The Jock Bomb

[jacko 8,825]

Actually every one of my posts in this thread said pretty clearly my opinion of what is behind the discrimination raised by the OP, although not this one.

 

I have also stated in excruciating detail why the reason for discrimination is NOT religion. Several posters believe the discrimination of the OP rests on religion, and I know it doesn't and that is what I have been discussing. If you believe that's trolling, you must be pretty young in forum years.

 

If you really, really, strongly care about my posts as you seem to, have a read of them in this thread again and I believe you'll see my opinion about what IS behind this specific discrimination.

 

Or, to put it another way: Do you believe the described discrimination had something to do with Islam?

Just in this thread then eh Joe? But the reality is you rarely state your opinion clearly, but like to bury it under a layer of sarcasm, a layer of twist and turn, and one of smoke and dissemination....then you try to be 'smart' on top of that. Then I think you ejaculate over the lovely cake you made for yourself.

 

I agree, the OP discrimination is not based on religion.....in the slightest.

The dislike mentioned to me by the few Thais from lowly circles does mention a religion.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

What the fuck is it in here, why do people not read WHAT IS WRITTEN? Shows a great arrogance and lack of education just to twist certain small parts of posts, very childish in fact!

 

GET A LIFE AND TRY SPEAKING TO SOME THAI'S!

 

OK ....... I spoke to my neighbours over breakfast ........ what next? Sign in to Pattaya-Addicts?

[joekicker 53]

Just in this thread then eh Joe? But the reality is you rarely state your opinion clearly, but like to bury it under a layer of sarcasm, a layer of twist and turn, and one of smoke and dissemination....then you try to be 'smart' on top of that. Then I think you ejaculate over the lovely cake you made for yourself.

 

Hey, I've had worse than that on the FIRST day.

 

So what do you figure is best - run my posts through you to do the final editing?

 

Jeez, jacko, you're getting pretty testy in your old age. Maybe you should consider Chanthaburi or Chiang Rai or Hua Hin (my three favourites) as you say. Me I'm stuck in Bangkok for a while, baby STILL needs a new pair of shoes, and Bangkok can suck worse than a farm-fresh beer-bar girl. But I don't let it get me down that much, sheesh.

[nidnoyham 30]

I'm glad you lot were not the ones to decide which direction North, East, South and West should be.

[jacko 8,825]

Hey, I've had worse than that on the FIRST day.

 

So what do you figure is best - run my posts through you to do the final editing?

 

Jeez, jacko, you're getting pretty testy in your old age. Maybe you should consider Chanthaburi or Chiang Rai or Hua Hin (my three favourites) as you say. Me I'm stuck in Bangkok for a while, baby STILL needs a new pair of shoes, and Bangkok can suck worse than a farm-fresh beer-bar girl. But I don't let it get me down that much, sheesh.

I bet you have.... but keep posting, the board provides the critique, much more entertaining than editing them first.

 

It's the damned heat Joe, it's relentless.

Add Mae Hong Son to the list, very pleasant weather permitting.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Add Mae Hong Son to the list, very pleasant weather permitting.

 

Not many necklace snatches either ............

[nidnoyham 30]

Not many necklace snatches either ............

 

 

How about pearl ones ?

 

Oi ! I fort you were Blighty bound ?

Edited April 3, 2009 by nidnoyham

[The Jock Bomb 0]

OK ....... I spoke to my neighbours over breakfast ........ what next? Sign in to Pattaya-Addicts?

 

AND? you want some kind of cheer? Yet again no substance to the OP or your beliefs? BORING! I would love to hear what your neighbours in Pattaya said as to why there is discrimination there in bars and gogo's?

 

Funny as hell, still BOTH Joe and Tom make no direct reply to the OP, only try to bullshit?

 

I can't believe they think there is no discrimination in Pattaya! Fuckin amazing stuff and very very very incorrect!

 

I maintain the reasons why there is discrimination, twist and turn it as you wish, in the end there IS discrimination towards, Indians, Arabs and in general muslims in Pattaya. Like it or not!

 

Anybody who says there isn't HAS NOT spent long in Pattaya and basically knows very little about the place.

 

A SUGGESTION to both Tom and Joe, why not concentrate on the OP rather than bullshitting your way through and trying to deny what really does happen in Pattaya!

 

I have been there with 2 arabs and witnessed the discrimination in various bars FIRST HAND! I have asked Thai's exactly what and why and got THEIR thoughts and believe it or not, I will believe a Thai over some single minded farang any day of the week when it comes to matters regarding Thailand! Why? Because it is their country and regardless how much any of us know, they know more.

 

Its called a learning curve. I accept Thai culture with open arms and respect THEIR beliefs.

 

Both you Tom and you Joe, have offered FUCK ALL explanation relating to the OP, only argued and bullshitted your way through, offered no explanation what so ever only tried to deny anything anybody else has said but offered no substance in return.

 

To gain any credibility in a debate/argument you really do have to have some foundation yourself, upon which you base your facts. As such, you have offered the square route of fuck all, which would be ..... fuck all.

 

Maybe once you have offered an explanation to the OP you will gain some credibility. You may even offer a reason as to why it happens or does not happen, because, up until now, neither of you have offered a single shred of information relating to the OP and try to cover this by smart ass, childish comments.

 

Joe and Tom's input and information supplied = ZERO

[nidnoyham 30]

I'm not one to interfere, but if my memory serves me right, C.Tom did recently remark, that the presence of Cobra Gold personnel in Pattaya, would make it a soft target for a terrorist attack.

 

This beggers the question, who would the terrorists be ?

 

Barda Meinhoff ? The Red Brigade ? The Tartan Army ? Tooting Popular Front ?

[The Jock Bomb 0]

I'm not one to interfere, but if my memory serves me right, C.Tom did recently remark, that the presence of Cobra Gold personnel in Pattaya, would make it a soft target for a terrorist attack.

 

This beggers the question, who would the terrorists be ?

 

Barda Meinhoff ? The Red Brigade ? The Tartan Army ? Tooting Popular Front ?

 

LMAO

[papillon 695]

Tooting Popular Front ?

 

LMAO

 

Power to the People

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I'm not one to interfere, but if my memory serves me right, C.Tom did recently remark, that the presence of Cobra Gold personnel in Pattaya, would make it a soft target for a terrorist attack.

 

This beggers the question, who would the terrorists be ?

 

Barda Meinhoff ? The Red Brigade ? The Tartan Army ? Tooting Popular Front ?

 

Certainly not southern Thai Muslims.

[joekicker 53]

Barda Meinhoff ? The Red Brigade ? The Tartan Army ? Tooting Popular Front ? unsure

 

Each one of them is way more likely than Thai gangs.

 

A four-gang coalition of the above which might bomb Pattaya is also more likely than any Thai Muslim bombing in Pattaya -- southern, local, Bangkok or Chiang Mai Muslims included.

Edited April 10, 2009 by joekicker

[indianbrit 0]

Hi Folks

 

I am a British Indian (born and brought up in the UK) of the Hindu faith (but not particularly religious).

 

Someone well-versed in the Pattaya scene directed me to this site.

 

I originate from north India, and so am tall and reasonably fair. I could pass myself off as Greek I suppose, but I could equally well be mistaken for an Arab.

 

What I have read on this thread has been of concern to me, since I really do not like the idea of being discriminated against because of my appearance or because of an assumption that I am a Muslim. Coming from the UK, the most liberal and racially harmonious place in Europe, my concerns are particularly heightened. This is even more hurtful for me, given that Lord Buddha was of Indian extraction; moreover my first name is actually Buddhist !! I would add that India, like Thailand, is also at war with Islamic terrorists.

 

In order to alleviate my concerns about discrimination, it was suggested to me that I initially pop over to FLB in order to introduce myself. Would any of you on these forums be likely to be around in Pattaya in July / August this year ?

 

Many thanks.