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[bigdelta 46]

Australia has never been in an automatic qualifying group like the USA. Get your facts right!

Not my problem if they weren't good enough to qualify "automatically" from that lame group in previous years.

God knows we won't talk about their showing so far.On All Whites...........

OT-why isn't the NZ rugby team called All Maoris instead of All Blacks?

Don't bother,I know the answer already.

NZ-friendliest folks on Earth.

[bigdelta 46]

Not to mention the shock to the entire nation, with the realization that there may be people living elsewhere in the world, who can beat them at something. And we are English ! ! !

And to think they say soccer was invented in England and they have won it how many times?

You UK folks just don't get it.Our better athletes choose other sports because we HAVE other sports.

Were just so good at so many ot them.Any given country can be good at 1 considering that's all they have to play and I'm not referencing UK here.

[bigdelta 46]

Well I did little checking.

The USA beat the following international powerhouses to qualify,

Barbados (256,000)

Trinidad and Tobago (1,339,000)

Cuba (11,269,400)

Guatemala (14,027,000)

 

Group 1 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts

USA *6 5 0 1 14 3 15

Trinidad and Tobago * 6 3 2 1 9 6 11

Guatemala 6 1 2 3 6 7 5

Cuba 6 1 0 5 5 18 3

 

Impressive.

Interestingly where were the matches againt Cuba played?

 

Actually going through the results to see how teams qualified does make interesting reading.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries...gs/round12.html

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ulation_density

Once again you failed to tell the whole story-typical.

I was obviously referring to final qualifying stages but that was beyond you for some reason.And once again,please tell me when Losebekistan will qualify.Several CONCACAF teams have actually won WC matches,besides US.Rarely has a team from that qualifying group won a WC match that wasn't played in their HOME COUNTRY (read Korea/Japan '02-I was there).

Thanks for the exercise.

[bigdelta 46]

Apologies if someone else posted this but I don't have time to read all of your comments.

 

Regarding the official from Mali, he has been banned from officiating any more WC games this year.

Gee,imagine that.He should be banned forever(see my thread re: things FIFA needs to change prior to WC '14)

He was the 4th official for a match on Sunday.He did well by allowing players on and off the field and entered the correct numbers on the electronic board-he's finally reached his potential!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Not my problem if they weren't good enough to qualify "automatically" from that lame group in previous years.

 

They weren't able to qualify from that lame group in previous years because they came under a different regional Federation. They only joined the AFC in 2006.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Rarely has a team from that qualifying group won a WC match that wasn't played in their HOME COUNTRY (read Korea/Japan '02-I was there).

 

NZ won as far back as last week, Australia won as far back as ......... the 2006 World Cup, as did Korea. Korea won in 1966 - beat the Italians (but so does everybody).

 

And I can't understand how you didn't recall Iran's great victory in 1998 or Saudi Arabia's two fine wins at the '94 US World Cup.

Edited June 21, 2010 by CheshireTom

[nidnoyham 30]

And to think they say soccer was invented in England and they have won it how many times?

You UK folks just don't get it.Our better athletes choose other sports because we HAVE other sports.

Were just so good at so many ot them.Any given country can be good at 1 considering that's all they have to play and I'm not referencing UK here.

 

 

This post has to be on par with the midlife's- " Scots, Irish and Welsh are not Brit's ! "

 

This is the point I am making. It is our national sport and other countries have beaten us at it. We can live with that.

 

The fact others find our sport challenging and entertaining enough to put a team forward to represent their country in a World cup, is a great compliment.

 

Your 'better athletes' play sports that no one else in the world will challenge them at, because they find them so bloody dull.

 

When there is a Baseball- Basketball- American Football World Cup, that America wins every time. Then you can take the piss out of the English for not winning the Football World Cup every four years.

 

You just hide behind your parochial sports, with no chance of coming in second.

 

We will struggle in the real world of football. Even though we still have rugby, cycling, rowing, gymnastics, sailing.........

[joekicker 53]

When there is a Baseball- Basketball- American Football World Cup, that America wins every time.

 

See, this is the problem, that you know absolutely nothing about these sports and their tournaments. By which I mean, literally, nothing.

 

Lot of people in the US *wish* they could win every time. But they hardly ever win, all told, over the decades but most especially recently.

 

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[brotherbuzz 3,206]

This is the point I am making. It is our national sport and other countries have beaten us at it. We can live with that.

I admire your National pride, now stop being so whiny about it.

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

See, this is the problem, that you know absolutely nothing about these sports and their tournaments. By which I mean, literally, nothing.

 

Lot of people in the US *wish* they could win every time. But they hardly ever win, all told, over the decades but most especially recently.

 

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Yes, even Lakers, Celtics and Yankees fans can't brag on that. And what about the English Premier League? If you aren't one of the chosen few you don't have a prayer and have to hope for a top four finish.

 

1990–91 Arsenal

1991–92 Leeds United

1992–93 Manchester United

1993–94 Manchester United

1994–95 Blackburn Rovers

1995–96 Manchester United

1996–97 Manchester United

1997–98 Arsenal

1998–99 Manchester United

1999–00 Manchester United

2000–01 Manchester United

2001–02 Arsenal

2002–03 Manchester United

2003–04 Arsenal

2004–05 Chelsea

2005–06 Chelsea

2006–07 Manchester United

2007–08 Manchester United

2008–09 Manchester United

2009–10 Chelsea

 

It just seems like Manchester United has won every season in the last 20 years. In fact, they have won 11 times. 55 percent

 

And nidnoyham, Celts are not Brits. And if they are so British, why are there separatist movements in all three areas? They never had a vote to join England, did they? They are part of the British (former) empire at the point of the sword. There are many who wish to be dissolved from your union. I know many Welshmen, Scots and Northern Irish (Catholics) who are sympathetic to the idea of a split.

 

Even Anglos were taken over by Normans beginning in 1066. French, lol.

 

Your lack of knowledge concerning how many foreign born players we have playing in our leagues indicates you cannot carry on an intelligent conversation on this topic. I learned to love soccer late in life because I am not a closed minded bigot. I used to think soccer was a boring spectator sport. I was wrong. What I did not do was show prejudice toward part of another's culture (sport) because of my ignorance. Sport is difficult. We love to watch the games we grew up playing. It is not boring to us to see the best athletes play the kid's games we played.

 

I have played competitive baseball, football, basketball, soccer, golf and others. All sport has its place and has its audience. WhyTF would anyone put down another person's interest?

 

I think we see your point of view for what it really is.

 

Edit: in my rush to post I erred in saying Saxons when I meant Normans. I know the difference and if you knew my real first name and family lineage you would see it for the senior moment it was. Now I see it is more than my spelling that is deteriorating with age.

Edited June 22, 2010 by midlifecrisis

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

We will struggle in the real world of football. Even though we still have rugby, cycling, rowing, gymnastics, sailing.........

We struggle in soccer also and still have a team equal to yours so far.

 

We have all of those minor sports you mention and so much more.

 

You have become a very limited people by mentality.

 

What happened? You used to be great!

 

We will have your back the next time you try to kick Argentina's ass over their Malvinas. We are loyal to a fault!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Yes, even Lakers, Celtics and Yankees fans can't brag on that. And what about the English Premier League? If you aren't one of the chosen few you don't have a prayer and have to hope for a top four finish.

 

1990–91 Arsenal

1991–92 Leeds United

 

The Premier League didn't come into existence until 1992.

 

 

1992–93 Manchester United

1993–94 Manchester United

1994–95 Blackburn Rovers

1995–96 Manchester United

1996–97 Manchester United

1997–98 Arsenal

1998–99 Manchester United

1999–00 Manchester United

2000–01 Manchester United

2001–02 Arsenal

2002–03 Manchester United

2003–04 Arsenal

2004–05 Chelsea

2005–06 Chelsea

2006–07 Manchester United

2007–08 Manchester United

2008–09 Manchester United

2009–10 Chelsea

 

It just seems like Manchester United has won every season in the last 20 years. In fact, they have won 11 times. 55 percent

 

11 times in the last 18 years, or 61%. Did you realise that the English Premier League has never been won by a team that was managed by an Englishman. And the Football League was founded by a Scotsman.

 

And nidnoyham, Celts are not Brits. And if they are so British, why are there separatist movements in all three areas?

 

That's like saying Native Indians aren't American.

 

They are part of the British (former) empire at the point of the sword.

 

Hardly. The Scots put their King on the English throne, not vice versa.

 

They never had a vote to join England, did they?

 

Yes they did. It was voted through the Scottish and English Parliaments.

 

Even Anglos were taken over by Saxons beginning in 1066. French, lol

 

You need to go back to school and sort out your timelines/regions.

[digavich 0]

Not my problem if they weren't good enough to qualify "automatically" from that lame group in previous years.

God knows we won't talk about their showing so far.On All Whites...........

OT-why isn't the NZ rugby team called All Maoris instead of All Blacks?

Don't bother,I know the answer already.

NZ-friendliest folks on Earth.

 

I actually thought that their effort against Ghana was pretty good, being down to 10 men for a goodly length of time.

I wont carry on about the officiating in that game,just note that we did'nt cop any favours.

 

Looks like the Chilean team have been taking lessons off the Azure Dive Monkeys.

 

May the Italian team perish in a flaming pyre of the red cards collected by their victims.

If there is any justice, they wont get out of the group stage.

Edited June 22, 2010 by digavich

[nidnoyham 30]

We struggle in soccer also and still have a team equal to yours so far.

 

We have all of those minor sports you mention and so much more.

 

You have become a very limited people by mentality.

 

What happened? You used to be great!

 

We will have your back the next time you try to kick Argentina's ass over their Malvinas. We are loyal to a fault!

 

 

Just when you think these posts can't get any stupider- along comes another one !

 

Yes you have all those minor sports. It is your major sports, on par with our Football, cricket, rugby that you don't compete in and risk getting beaten, at international level.

 

I will repeat. There is a World Cup in all three English sports mentioned. We are willing to play against the best in the world at them. Because the competition is so great at World Cup level, to win it on the rare occasion, is a great accomplishment. It gives the whole country a lift.

 

joeK, says i know nothing about the tournaments of your sports- so when did a foreign team, beat an American team at your football ? If it does happen in those sports, Baseball, Basketball, it gets such little world coverage nobody knows.

 

When England play badly at Football- everybody knows ! It becomes open season on knocking the English.

 

See any post here about our Recent rugby match against Australia ? No, because we won !

[joekicker 53]

Baseball, Basketball, it gets such little world coverage nobody knows.

 

"Nobody" huh? That's a HUGE ego you've got there. In Littleworld, "nobody" means, "I". You and Obama, I don't know anyone else that needs that big a hat. Once again, a sports "fan" who thinks his own sport is so weak and paltry and threatened that the only way to defend it is to knock down other sports. Once again, someone who only shows his own ignorance about other sports. Do you really think you're going to convince anyone to stop watching baseball because you throw out some stupid disinformation about it that any baseball fan knows is wrong? The Americans never lose at baseball, huh? Try this one: The Americans have NEVER won the international baseball championship among national teams, and the Americans send their very best, top, highly paid professional players, none are better in the county.

 

Fact is YOU don't research these sports YOU don't care about, although it is so easy. GIYF. So if you don't know about them, why discuss them and look ... well, idiotic? The baseball version of the "world cup" and the basketball version of the "world cup" get as much or more international coverage, writeups and documentation as your chosen example of rugby. India, which gives NO coverage to the football World Cup and really detests football in all forms including soccer, does add to the coverage of cricket, no doubt about it.

 

But I know enough about international cricket and rugby to know your can't insult them. Hundreds of millions love these sports. And why not? You are shocked to find there is even high-level international basketball and baseball WHICH AMERICANS RARELY WIN and you have very cunningly refused to include the MAJOR American sport of hockey at all. Why would that be? It is a major sport in the USA and of course like baseball and basketball has very big international championships which get very broad coverage and documentation that anyone can easily look up? Hundreds of millions watch and discuss and revel in the international championships of baseball, basketeball and hockey.

 

Enjoy the hell out of your World Cup. It's quite a spectacle and there are always brilliant plus controversial moments, as in top-level tournaments in every sport. Why would I deny you? How COULD I deny that nearly half the world quite enjoys soccer, including millions and millions of people in the USA, who are quite interested in the national team's progress? By putting down other people's sports, you're just advertising your feeling of how weak and threatened soccer is - when it's not, not at all.

 

When England play badly at Football- everybody knows ! It becomes open season on knocking the English.

 

I can assure you, I can GUARANTEE you that a billion sports fans in India don't care and are discussing ANYTHING but the England team to the World Cup. And all the sports fans in Pakistan. And all the commentators in Cuba. Plus Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and Yukio Hatoyama in Japan, where the baseball season is well under way and in the Philippines where the top sports story is the decision by the detested FIBA to pick Lebanon over the Philippines as the site of the qualifiers for 2012 Olympics basketball and the second biggest sports story is the June 25 draft for the National Basketball Association of, yes, the USA.

 

You really hate that, but it's true. You COULD confirm it so easily, but I bet you won't.

 

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Edited June 22, 2010 by joekicker

[bigdelta 46]

They weren't able to qualify from that lame group in previous years because they came under a different regional Federation. They only joined the AFC in 2006.

Yes I know they were in a more difficult Federation previously and lobbied to change so they could actually qualify.

Did you enjoy the exercise?

[bigdelta 46]

NZ won as far back as last week, Australia won as far back as ......... the 2006 World Cup, as did Korea. Korea won in 1966 - beat the Italians (but so does everybody).

 

And I can't understand how you didn't recall Iran's great victory in 1998 or Saudi Arabia's two fine wins at the '94 US World Cup.

Let's talk about the current Fed qualifiers-seldom a win-thanks for showing that.And the previous federations,likewise,a rare win.And yes,I AM fully aware of all the US results without having to do a search every time like you.And also the once/twice in a lifetime results by other countries.Hope you're enjoying your soccer search exercises.

Edited June 22, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Let's talk about the current Fed qualifiers-seldom a win-thanks for showing that.And the previous federations,likewise,a rare win.And yes,I AM fully aware of all the US results without having to do a search every time like you.And also the once/twice in a lifetime results by other countries.Hope you're enjoying your soccer search exercises.

 

Good show by Korea there in qualifying for the last 16.

 

Keep trying - you'll get something right eventually.

Edited June 22, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

Good show by Korea there in qualifying for the last 16.

 

Keep trying - you'll get something right eventually.

So long,Search King!

[nidnoyham 30]

Joe how many countries compete to play in the Ice Hockey/ Baseball World Cup ?

 

How many from African- Middle East- West Indies........ ?

 

Indians are/ have been world champions at our Hockey, but not your one. They are not suited to football. There are very few players at professional level. Their disinterest to the England's W.C. performance is no surprise or concern to me.

 

I suppose I am to American sports what India is to Football.

 

All I am pointing out is, that our sporting short comings are on a world stage- America's aren't.

 

Ask a cross section of the world population, how America did in their last soccer game, they could probably tell you they drew 2-2 and were robbed of a winner. Ask the same people how they did in their last Baseball- Football- Basketball- ( Its a net not a basket ) game......

 

I would not dream of stopping anyone from watching Baseball- I may enjoy it myself. I would enjoy playing it more though- once !

 

When someone says - you invented footbal and you can't beat other countries at your own game- I tend to bite !

[joekicker 53]

Joe how many countries compete to play in the Ice Hockey/ Baseball World Cup ?

 

At the top level in the comparable tournament, 16 in the final round.

 

But look, I'm not writing the book here, you are. For some obscure reason you REFUSE to discuss, you are somehow dedicating a World Cup thread to attacking sports that have nothing to do with World Cup football. Answer one for me, just once, okay? Why are you so relentlessly dedicated to knocking other sports in a soccer thread? Why don't you discuss soccer for a while? You can learn stuff here. Then you can find out about baseball in a baseball thread, hockey in a hockey thread.... What is WRONG with that, exactly? Why do you think your favourite sport is so weak that you have to dedicate yourself to annihilating sports you actively detest and don't even know the number of countries that compete?

 

All I am pointing out is, that our sporting short comings are on a world stage- America's aren't.

 

Actually you're not because it's totally untrue and you don't even realise how crazy and yes stupid your claims are because (as you admit with such basic questions as above) you know nothing about those sports, where they are played, how popular they are, and so on. What you ARE doing is insisting that soccer is so weak, so pathetic, so poorly followed that it needs other sports to be dumped immediately to save the Fifa World Cup. You're in a teensy minority. I can't even grasp it, it's so pathetic.

 

Ask a cross section of the world population, how America did in their last soccer game, they could probably tell you they drew 2-2 and were robbed of a winner. Ask the same people how they did in their last Baseball- Football- Basketball- ( Its a net not a basket ) game......

 

You're crazy about this. Okay, I went out and asked a cross section of the world about it, an Indian, a Filipino, an Aruban, a Venezuelan, a Canadian, a Japanese, a Fijian, a Ghanaian and an Italian - in their own countries. Two of them knew about the English soccer team of today. Or claimed they did, maybe they just read a headline on the CNN crawler, I don't know. Anyhow, that's a long, long way from "everyone" and that's a FACT. Five knew the baseball question -- because their countries were in the world tournament, probably, but you didn't ask me to ask them that.

 

So what? Pick another cross section, get another result. That cross section of world citizens that YOU stipulated, England lose 5-2. So what? How are you going to get ALL 6 billion to give the answer you want? Shoot the ones that like Aussie Rules more than soccer?

 

WHY are you putting down soccer? Why do you think it needs such help so badly that other sports must be trashed immediately and as a matter of urgency before the World Cup can even go any further and finish the group stage?

 

When someone says - you invented footbal and you can't beat other countries at your own game- I tend to bite !

 

But it's true. It's like Americans, really, who try to GET TO GRIPS and even take some pride that they hardly ever win world-class baseball and basketball tournaments, and even will admit that they didn't invent basketball if you pin them on it, but they don't savage the World Cup over it. The Canadians HATE losing world hockey tournaments but they don't blame rugby for it. There are almost no Thai world champions of muay thai but Thais don't go berserk against baseball, and they are super-gracious hosts of big-time MT tournaments.

 

You need to live with it and get to grips with it instead of taking rabid pills and blaming others, "you" in both senses, actually. You have to come to grips with the idea that it's not baseball's fault that the English seldom win a big soccer tournament. Baseball and English soccer failure have no connection, really they don't. any more than the Fifa World Cup caused "the best US national team ever assembled" to cank out of the equivalent international baseball tournament last year at the semi-final. Suck it up ferkhrissake.

 

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Edited June 23, 2010 by joekicker

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

Joe,

 

Thanks for your comments. Putting down other people's sports/cultures as a means pumping up the greatness of your own smacks of bigotry, immaturity, arrogance and ignorance.

 

Now, I would like to ask the learned opinion of all here - from the remaining teams, who are the likeliest to play for the championship?

 

To me, Argentina looks very good so far.

[joekicker 53]

To me, Argentina looks very good so far.

 

The Americans have really been the stars of the group play. Doesn't mean they're going anywhere, but hey, who can tell what will happen in one given game?

 

Based on watching the group stage just before Group D take the field for Game 3, I've liked three of the top teams a lot - Portugal, Argentina, Germany. There's no prediction in there but if they keep doing what they've been doing they are going to be very hard to take down. Mexico will get Argentina, good luck to the 'xicans they'll need it. It looks at the mo like England gets Germany for the next match, I'm sorry but the English style versus what the Germans showed the first two games doesn't look highly competitive.

 

But like they say, no one's ever won a game before the kickoff, and that's why the play the game.

 

Who knows, maybe England will send back and bring Rooney in to play instead of that winner of the Rooney Lookalike Contest they've been using. That would be good.

 

EDIT Jee Zeus I thought nidnoyham was out of control. Get this headline, from the Guardian:

 

'Furious' Sarkozy demands answers

French president will quiz Thierry Henry about World Cup debacle and calls meeting of ministers

 

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Edited June 23, 2010 by joekicker

[ozijeff 9]

I agree with your Portugal, Argentina, Germany assessment.

 

Dunno about the Americans being the stars of the group play??

You just mean just their group or the WC overall?

[chacha 0]

The Americans have really been the stars of the group play. Doesn't mean they're going anywhere, but hey, who can tell what will happen in one given game?

 

Based on watching the group stage just before Group D take the field for Game 3, I've liked three of the top teams a lot - Portugal, Argentina, Germany. There's no prediction in there but if they keep doing what they've been doing they are going to be very hard to take down. Mexico will get Argentina, good luck to the 'xicans they'll need it. It looks at the mo like England gets Germany for the next match, I'm sorry but the English style versus what the Germans showed the first two games doesn't look highly competitive.

 

But like they say, no one's ever won a game before the kickoff, and that's why the play the game.

 

Who knows, maybe England will send back and bring Rooney in to play instead of that winner of the Rooney Lookalike Contest they've been using. That would be good.

 

EDIT Jee Zeus I thought nidnoyham was out of control. Get this headline, from the Guardian:

 

'Furious' Sarkozy demands answers

French president will quiz Thierry Henry about World Cup debacle and calls meeting of ministers

 

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You really do live in your own little world . Americans the stars of the group play ? The mind boggles . Get fooking real . Ya not saving the fooking world . Deary me