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The day I started this, the restaurant I use to post in over breakfast had, along with the rest of Jomtien, the power switched off for the day. So to finish this? .......we're left with the 'Word' The 'Word' of most religions I know anything about seem to have lots of similarities. The 'Word' usually says something about the Faith's Rules. How we should treat each other. How God wants us to behave. What the pious and godly get for their obedience and adherence.......... A heaven.... a better re-incarnation until they avoid re-birth etc. What happens to the un-

To Tom and to Joe. Yes, it is. The eyewitness accounts, and press coverage at the time conflict in many ways with the official report. On balance I have to accept that the details of how the majority of the girls died was due to a mass panic instilled by the smoke leading them to be crushed and that I was wrong to say or to suggest that they died from burning. I apologise. That some without headscarfs were denied exit, or were thrown back into a burning building, and that the help on hand were denied entrance on religious grounds I still firmly beleive to be true. I believe this

Thank you.....But I'm trying to be even-handed in this. (Not easy).....The page on Wiki has many links to external sources and accounts. The first link I offered I believed was a fair round up. Then the Wiki link .....with more than the one link that Tom explored. Though even that one read through offers.."Al-Nadwah quoted one survivor...The Civil Defence and the CPVP.(Mutaween) kept arguing over jurisdiction. Commision men stopped passersby entering with buckets." This link to a Newsweek article gets over the courage of some of the Saudi press and others and probably (my opinion) gi

Here's the link to one of the pages on wiki. There are other external links from that page. From that page you can navigate to further information. My link You decide for yourself.

Maybe a leap of kindergarten standard.

Not exactly a leap of olympic standards.

Firstly don't presume for yourself the right to pass judgement. Being 'right' or 'wrong' in your eyes doesn't make me either. The measure of your opinion is the same in value as any other board member. Just as the New-York millisecond you persist with is equal to a millisecond in Newcastle. Sharing the same repugnance for the death of these girls our differing 'opinion' seems to hinge on how we view 'religion' and by that understanding where we place the blame. In your case it's a legal matter pure and simple and the Mutaween acted from either 'A'... a motivation that had nothing to do w

No victories here Joe. ..for you or for me. Can't you just for once..........just for a Worksop millisecond understand that the issue of 15 girls losing their lives in this way calls for a response based on our humanity and not on our side of the debate...........Celebrate what you want with your snide prose. It's clear that you don't believe, or more likely that you feel that there is enough wriggle room to avoid placing responsibility for these deaths at the door of the hated 'Pious ones.' But from all that I've read, I believe ( and so does the world's press,including the Arab world

My link There was a stink in the previously complient Saudi press........... But any hint of reform had to wait for the deaths in custody of 2 people in 2 weeks. There's lots on Wiki...this seemed the most balanced and recent. A general report from Time Mag'

Your original reply which is in my email inbox..... before your major,' edit / re-write / re-think', was one line and went......."Why do you restrict the timeline? Afraid? By that I take your answer to my question, (which was to find another religion currently which would tolerate the death of 15 girls because they were not dressed in the proscribed religious manner) to be.............. 'No I can't' Why the re-write Joe..? Afraid?

I get it already.........There aren't any countries/religions that do not have a stain of blood somewhere in there history. None. But this thread is about the burqa..........Some say its just an innocuous item of clothing. I think I've shown that it in this incident it is more than that. If you want to draw parallels Tom look at today's date and tell me another religion today that would tolerate the death of its daughters because they were not dressed in an item of religious clothing......

Well I did research it..... But you spuriously led me to believe that there exists a bespoke, 'Buddhist Religious Police' that I was hithertoo unaware of. And that this force functions along the same lines as the Mutaween on behalf of the CPVPV in Saudi Arabia. And that this organisation was authorised to kill these women possibly I thought because of a breach of some Buddhist doctrine. .. ......So if you trustingly google, as I did, 'Buddhist Religious Police burn girls Phuket' Well, in a Scunthorpe millisecond....you get........ bugger-all! Bugger-all that's relevant anyway.

Pray tell!

EXACTLY what I was thinking too.....I was well wierded out! Were the girls in Phuket forceably locked in on the authority of Buddhist religious police? You're right about the hypocrisy all around us. Maybe you could start a thread about it.

No I didn't know about this. It sounds from the brief description equally tragic. Certainly not an incident anyone would try to score cheap debating points with on a chat board.

You chose to reply to my post......So write to my link which was about a dress code enforced so strictly that it meant Religious Muslim police forbade and physically prevented the rescue of 15 teenage girls and locked the doors against their escape from fire because ............they had been involved in a school PE lesson and were not dressed to be seen alive............. All you've said about the incident is that you're, "not in favour of an enforced dress code" The rest amounts to avoidance or mitigation of the incident. Is that really all your woolly minded, perniciously PC brainwas

If your intention was to produce an example of muddled thinking, contradictory argument, superficial analogies and nebulous observations............And, while doing so fail to make a single lucid point,well you've succeeded brilliantly. Even by your woeful standards the complete twaddle above stands alone. You won't see it of course. Let's take just one tiny example of the superficiality of thinking. The comparison between a nun's habit and women in burqas. Well yes they look alike...well spotted. 10 out of 10 for that. But do nuns wear their habit having the freedom to make that

I've posted on this before. It's shocking.........criminal.... and fucking disgusting. Before Joe and Allah Elpus start..........Not all Muslim countries...........Not all female Muslims...Not every fire. Just these 15 girls. In this Muslim country. in this school fire.... It sure meant something more to the schoolgirls who screamed their young lives to cinders than Joe's picky,pointless pedandtry and Elpus' (please 'Elpus), mitigation...All for a fucking dress code. Forgive my language and read the link. My link

He just said.....'top of a list' In your blind rush to, 'get one over' somebody you don't even read.......or seem to comprehend the lines you quote.

Here to stay........for a while...we all know how accomodating Thailand is to other cultures, religious beliefs and the money it brings in. It's a revolving door. I was with a girl I've known on and off for 10 yrs in BKK last week. I'd not seen her for 2 yrs and I asked her how things have changed. 'MMMM before Sabai Sabai have falang 90% now Arab, Indian, Chocolate man 90% China and falang little bit' And then she expanded on her theme...... ' When I go disco, everywhere have chocolate man....... We learn and can work, but they all same..They run away, or not pay what they

I was shagging a punk girl at a party once....she said, "Is that Johnny Rotten?" I said , Nah I've only used it twice!"

If you end up at Fairtex PM me............ I'll introduce you to some of my son's trainers.

Yes..........The 'picky' can trace a sequence to any invention, innovation or discovery and dilute its' inventor's or its' innovator's or its' discoverer's achievement....'On the shoulders of giants' etc. Picky. pedantic......predictable. What can we find to disagree about today? The ipod don't count against say, the discovery of 'Dark matter'. ....... That something like 90% of what we thought we knew about space....... we didn't..............But for now it's the ipod that's had a greater impact on our lives. Worth some applause. But you're right to put the applause into

Just picked up 100 this morning from a girl who works at a very welcoming ST bar in Pattaya. They are good quality durex. She gets a batch delivered every 3 weeks or so. Needs 'em..... Busy girl and rightly so @1000 bt a 100. ............That's..........er........er........10 baht each. Mind you you're honour bound to ST the voluptuous little provider. I didn't mind too much......she looks a lot better than Gesseppi my, "Shut-uppa yer face" barber in High Wycombe.

The first thing that went through 'my' mind was..........Money...(All that money), can buy medicine but can't buy you health. Puts a perspective on our problems...our worries.